Who wouldnt want to worship The Elder Elemental Eye? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Who wouldnt want to worship The Elder Elemental Eye? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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ikki
10-06-07, 04:58 PM Letsee... cool tentacle rods, awesome traps that shoots tentacles from walls and eats interloopers alive.. and whenever you sacrifice a goblin or some human peasant.. you get 50k worth of treasure?!?!!

Oh yeah and the best of the best.. Insanity.
That is your spells are almost impossible to resist and tons of bonus spells..
Furthermore you can always say its insanity whenever CE doesn't bend to what you want to do :D (as if thats a problem, really..!)
Suin Bahhar
10-06-07, 05:42 PM Who?
ikki
10-06-07, 06:21 PM aka Tharizum.. but i always like that name better.
Suin Bahhar
10-06-07, 06:28 PM Tharizdun? Yeah he's only one of the Elder Evils right? Ghaunadar behaves also alot like how you described...

These elder evils behaved like some sort proto dieties as far as I understand. They travel the planes in disguise to sow their personal seeds of destruction. Tharizdun is worshipped by whom in the realms?
ikki
10-06-07, 07:01 PM One more reason why i used that elder elemental eye.. who is worshiped.
Small cults here and there.. Mentioned ever so briefly at ADD deity supplements and iirc at those return to the temple of evil conversions.

Anyway, now with the changes i hear its becoming core part of the realms, as lord over the elemental planes.. and the demons living there..
Andyr
10-07-07, 08:48 AM I like to think that Ghaunadaur is the Realms' aspect of Tharizdun.
The Ubbergeek
10-07-07, 02:27 PM Tharizdun is only in Greyhawk by default, though...

I like much the Temple of Elemental plot(s).
Faraer
10-07-07, 04:06 PM Ghaunadaur is the Realms' version of the Elder Elemental God featured in Gary Gygax's G and D modules. T-------- is a distinct entity originally created by Rob Kuntz and spotlighted in module WG4 and Gary's Gord novels (and described as the Dark God in DMGR4 Monster Mythology). Monte Cook's conflation of the two is not part of Realmslore or, to my knowledge, any lore outside Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil.
Lord Karsus
10-07-07, 11:14 PM -I like to think of it that Ghaunadaur is known in other places as the Elder Elemental deity, and not the other way around. :)
Fingoldfin
10-08-07, 01:32 AM I think Tharizdun will be a big part of the new Realms. The aboleths worship him and they will likely have a new Empire on the surface.

I think he is the same god from Lords of Madness. I think that most of the lore from LoM will be canon in the new Realms.
Arbourean
10-08-07, 02:13 AM I snicker that this terrible being whom if freed would destroy all of creation, and who was imprisoned only due to the combined efforts of the Greyhawkian pantheon is an intermediate power.
The Ubbergeek
10-08-07, 12:50 PM When you realise that even EVIL gods like Iuz the old evil thug-emperor pause in uneasyness and may consider alliance with forces of GOOD....
SgtAnjay
10-08-07, 02:13 PM I think its fairly significant that Ghaunadaur is a "stronger and more ancient power" than was previously thought, able to resist the efforts of Lolth.
Lord Karsus
10-08-07, 09:34 PM I think its fairly significant that Ghaunadaur is a "stronger and more ancient power" than was previously thought, able to resist the efforts of Lolth.

-As do I.
Arbourean
10-08-07, 11:15 PM Perhaps it's finally regaining the power it lost when it stupidly feebleminded its entire worshiper base?
Lord Karsus
10-08-07, 11:34 PM Perhaps it's finally regaining the power it lost when it stupidly feebleminded its entire worshiper base?

-A plausible theory. Didn't the Undermountain adventure have something to do with aboleth? Maybe Ghaunadaur has made some kind of pact with their deities? Who knows?
Andyr
10-09-07, 05:38 PM Perhaps it's finally regaining the power it lost when it stupidly feebleminded its entire worshiper base?

My theory is that Ghaunadaur did that because it 'needed' their power for something--as I mentioned, I like to think he is an alias of Tharizdun (or the other way around) and was perhaps able to use his worshippers' minds to avoid his imprisonment within the crystal sphere of Toril.
buzzard
10-09-07, 05:49 PM Wasn't Ghaunadaur the Realms' Juiblex?
msatran
10-09-07, 06:22 PM Yes, he is that also.

Go Team Slime! Rah Rah Rah!
Dissolve every Mime! Sis Boom Bah!
Arbourean
10-09-07, 07:29 PM My theory is that Ghaunadaur did that because it 'needed' their power for something--as I mentioned, I like to think he is an alias of Tharizdun (or the other way around) and was perhaps able to use his worshippers' minds to avoid his imprisonment within the crystal sphere of Toril.

Interesting, and I like this theory far more than the one presented where he turns his followers into idiots because Lolth spurned him.

One shows ruthless dedication to power and long term planning, the other is just dumb.
Faraer
10-09-07, 07:41 PM I snicker that this terrible being whom if freed would destroy all of creation, and who was imprisoned only due to the combined efforts of the Greyhawkian pantheon is an intermediate power.The idea is that its presence is equivalent to that of an intermediate power even despite its imprisonment. Otherwise it's intended as something like an overgod.Wasn't Ghaunadaur the Realms' Juiblex?Demihuman Deities:Although Ghaunadaur is a distinct entity unrelated to the tanar'ri lord Juiblex, the Faceless Lord, or the otherwise unnamed Elder Elemental God neither of the latter two powers is active in the Realms, and Ghaunadaur has assumed both of their aspects within the crystal sphere of Realmspace.(Read the claim about the Elder Elemental God in light of the fact that much of Ghaunadaur's writeup is taken directly from descriptions of the EEG, which is itself distinct from Juiblex.)
Old Sage
10-09-07, 08:56 PM Indeed.

Juiblex is a Demon Lord in the D&D core rules. In the Realms, he had some worshipers in 2e's Thay IIRC. When Demihuman Deities, and the other god books, were being worked on there was some desire to tidy up some of the gods, thus Juiblex became an aspect of Ghaunadaur in the Realms. Similar things happened to the 2e god of liches in Monster Mythology becoming an aspect of Velsharoon and Sseth garnering many different aspects.
Rauric
10-09-07, 11:41 PM I think the Abos are going to worship Ghauny.
Andyr
10-10-07, 01:05 PM Interesting, and I like this theory far more than the one presented where he turns his followers into idiots because Lolth spurned him.

One shows ruthless dedication to power and long term planning, the other is just dumb.

Oh, heh. I hadn't realised there was such a theory about him being spurned--do you remember where it came from?
Lord Karsus
10-10-07, 02:15 PM I think the Abos are going to worship Ghauny.

-They already have their own deities.

Oh, heh. I hadn't realised there was such a theory about him being spurned--do you remember where it came from?

-It's mentioned in both Evermeet: Island of the Elves, and Demihuman Deities. When Lolth first made her presence known in Realmspace, it's fair to say that she was not as powerful as she is now, or before her recent ascention. Ghaundaur, thinking she'd be an easy kill, tried to subsume her. Lolth was able to beat the Elder Eye back, however, and maintain her own identity. The exact details about what transpired are not mentioned in either source, however. In the aftermath, being extremely angry, Ghaunadaur stripped all of it's worshippers of intelligence.
Suin Bahhar
10-10-07, 05:52 PM I really like this little story. (makes you wonder what all those gelatinous cubes and globs where and what they knew, can you imagine that, giving oozes personality ^^)

Aboleths worship Tharizdun and several other Elder Evils, so them worshipping Ghaunadar, an aspect of Tharizdun (or vice versa) makes sense. The others are dieties of the Far Realms and real Cthulhu like behemoths. Merging of Cthulhu and the Realms, I could like that in a disturbing way...
Andyr
10-15-07, 01:37 PM Oh. By the use of the word "spurned" I'd imagined that meant Ghaunadaur had made romantic overtures to Lolth.
Lord Karsus
10-15-07, 07:02 PM Oh. By the use of the word "spurned" I'd imagined that meant Ghaunadaur had made romantic overtures to Lolth.

-Not really, unless you consider trying to consume and assimilate your target romantic. Some people might.
SgtAnjay
10-16-07, 08:07 PM -Not really, unless you consider trying to consume and assimilate your target romantic. Some people might.

Are you kidding? In the Abyss that's "Standard First Date #3"
Lord Karsus
10-16-07, 08:13 PM Are you kidding? In the Abyss that's "Standard First Date #3"

-Good point. They do things differently there.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
ikki 10-06-07, 04:58 PM	Letsee... cool tentacle rods, awesome traps that shoots tentacles from walls and eats interloopers alive.. and whenever you sacrifice a goblin or some human peasant.. you get 50k worth of treasure?!?!! Oh yeah and the best of the best.. Insanity. That is your spells are almost impossible to resist and tons of bonus spells.. Furthermore you can always say its insanity whenever CE doesn't bend to what you want to do :D (as if thats a problem, really..!)
Suin Bahhar 10-06-07, 05:42 PM	Who?
ikki 10-06-07, 06:21 PM	aka Tharizum.. but i always like that name better.
Suin Bahhar 10-06-07, 06:28 PM	Tharizdun? Yeah he's only one of the Elder Evils right? Ghaunadar behaves also alot like how you described... These elder evils behaved like some sort proto dieties as far as I understand. They travel the planes in disguise to sow their personal seeds of destruction. Tharizdun is worshipped by whom in the realms?
ikki 10-06-07, 07:01 PM	One more reason why i used that elder elemental eye.. who is worshiped. Small cults here and there.. Mentioned ever so briefly at ADD deity supplements and iirc at those return to the temple of evil conversions. Anyway, now with the changes i hear its becoming core part of the realms, as lord over the elemental planes.. and the demons living there..
Andyr 10-07-07, 08:48 AM	I like to think that Ghaunadaur is the Realms' aspect of Tharizdun.
The Ubbergeek 10-07-07, 02:27 PM	Tharizdun is only in Greyhawk by default, though... I like much the Temple of Elemental plot(s).
Faraer 10-07-07, 04:06 PM	Ghaunadaur is the Realms' version of the Elder Elemental God featured in Gary Gygax's G and D modules. T-------- is a distinct entity originally created by Rob Kuntz and spotlighted in module WG4 and Gary's Gord novels (and described as the Dark God in DMGR4 Monster Mythology). Monte Cook's conflation of the two is not part of Realmslore or, to my knowledge, any lore outside Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil.
Lord Karsus 10-07-07, 11:14 PM	-I like to think of it that Ghaunadaur is known in other places as the Elder Elemental deity, and not the other way around. :)
Fingoldfin 10-08-07, 01:32 AM	I think Tharizdun will be a big part of the new Realms. The aboleths worship him and they will likely have a new Empire on the surface. I think he is the same god from Lords of Madness. I think that most of the lore from LoM will be canon in the new Realms.
Arbourean 10-08-07, 02:13 AM	I snicker that this terrible being whom if freed would destroy all of creation, and who was imprisoned only due to the combined efforts of the Greyhawkian pantheon is an intermediate power.
The Ubbergeek 10-08-07, 12:50 PM	When you realise that even EVIL gods like Iuz the old evil thug-emperor pause in uneasyness and may consider alliance with forces of GOOD....
SgtAnjay 10-08-07, 02:13 PM	I think its fairly significant that Ghaunadaur is a "stronger and more ancient power" than was previously thought, able to resist the efforts of Lolth.
Lord Karsus 10-08-07, 09:34 PM	I think its fairly significant that Ghaunadaur is a "stronger and more ancient power" than was previously thought, able to resist the efforts of Lolth. -As do I.
Arbourean 10-08-07, 11:15 PM	Perhaps it's finally regaining the power it lost when it stupidly feebleminded its entire worshiper base?
Lord Karsus 10-08-07, 11:34 PM	Perhaps it's finally regaining the power it lost when it stupidly feebleminded its entire worshiper base? -A plausible theory. Didn't the Undermountain adventure have something to do with aboleth? Maybe Ghaunadaur has made some kind of pact with their deities? Who knows?
Andyr 10-09-07, 05:38 PM	Perhaps it's finally regaining the power it lost when it stupidly feebleminded its entire worshiper base? My theory is that Ghaunadaur did that because it 'needed' their power for something--as I mentioned, I like to think he is an alias of Tharizdun (or the other way around) and was perhaps able to use his worshippers' minds to avoid his imprisonment within the crystal sphere of Toril.
buzzard 10-09-07, 05:49 PM	Wasn't Ghaunadaur the Realms' Juiblex?
msatran 10-09-07, 06:22 PM	Yes, he is that also. Go Team Slime! Rah Rah Rah! Dissolve every Mime! Sis Boom Bah!
Arbourean 10-09-07, 07:29 PM	My theory is that Ghaunadaur did that because it 'needed' their power for something--as I mentioned, I like to think he is an alias of Tharizdun (or the other way around) and was perhaps able to use his worshippers' minds to avoid his imprisonment within the crystal sphere of Toril. Interesting, and I like this theory far more than the one presented where he turns his followers into idiots because Lolth spurned him. One shows ruthless dedication to power and long term planning, the other is just dumb.
Faraer 10-09-07, 07:41 PM	I snicker that this terrible being whom if freed would destroy all of creation, and who was imprisoned only due to the combined efforts of the Greyhawkian pantheon is an intermediate power.The idea is that its presence is equivalent to that of an intermediate power even despite its imprisonment. Otherwise it's intended as something like an overgod.Wasn't Ghaunadaur the Realms' Juiblex?Demihuman Deities:Although Ghaunadaur is a distinct entity unrelated to the tanar'ri lord Juiblex, the Faceless Lord, or the otherwise unnamed Elder Elemental God neither of the latter two powers is active in the Realms, and Ghaunadaur has assumed both of their aspects within the crystal sphere of Realmspace.(Read the claim about the Elder Elemental God in light of the fact that much of Ghaunadaur's writeup is taken directly from descriptions of the EEG, which is itself distinct from Juiblex.)
Old Sage 10-09-07, 08:56 PM	Indeed. Juiblex is a Demon Lord in the D&D core rules. In the Realms, he had some worshipers in 2e's Thay IIRC. When Demihuman Deities, and the other god books, were being worked on there was some desire to tidy up some of the gods, thus Juiblex became an aspect of Ghaunadaur in the Realms. Similar things happened to the 2e god of liches in Monster Mythology becoming an aspect of Velsharoon and Sseth garnering many different aspects.
Rauric 10-09-07, 11:41 PM	I think the Abos are going to worship Ghauny.
Andyr 10-10-07, 01:05 PM	Interesting, and I like this theory far more than the one presented where he turns his followers into idiots because Lolth spurned him. One shows ruthless dedication to power and long term planning, the other is just dumb. Oh, heh. I hadn't realised there was such a theory about him being spurned--do you remember where it came from?
Lord Karsus 10-10-07, 02:15 PM	I think the Abos are going to worship Ghauny. -They already have their own deities. Oh, heh. I hadn't realised there was such a theory about him being spurned--do you remember where it came from? -It's mentioned in both Evermeet: Island of the Elves, and Demihuman Deities. When Lolth first made her presence known in Realmspace, it's fair to say that she was not as powerful as she is now, or before her recent ascention. Ghaundaur, thinking she'd be an easy kill, tried to subsume her. Lolth was able to beat the Elder Eye back, however, and maintain her own identity. The exact details about what transpired are not mentioned in either source, however. In the aftermath, being extremely angry, Ghaunadaur stripped all of it's worshippers of intelligence.
Suin Bahhar 10-10-07, 05:52 PM	I really like this little story. (makes you wonder what all those gelatinous cubes and globs where and what they knew, can you imagine that, giving oozes personality ^^) Aboleths worship Tharizdun and several other Elder Evils, so them worshipping Ghaunadar, an aspect of Tharizdun (or vice versa) makes sense. The others are dieties of the Far Realms and real Cthulhu like behemoths. Merging of Cthulhu and the Realms, I could like that in a disturbing way...
Andyr 10-15-07, 01:37 PM	Oh. By the use of the word "spurned" I'd imagined that meant Ghaunadaur had made romantic overtures to Lolth.
Lord Karsus 10-15-07, 07:02 PM	Oh. By the use of the word "spurned" I'd imagined that meant Ghaunadaur had made romantic overtures to Lolth. -Not really, unless you consider trying to consume and assimilate your target romantic. Some people might.
SgtAnjay 10-16-07, 08:07 PM	-Not really, unless you consider trying to consume and assimilate your target romantic. Some people might. Are you kidding? In the Abyss that's "Standard First Date #3"
Lord Karsus 10-16-07, 08:13 PM	Are you kidding? In the Abyss that's "Standard First Date #3" -Good point. They do things differently there.