Anyone think ryld or pheraun will be back? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Anyone think ryld or pheraun will be back? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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byakuganbrawler
05-29-07, 06:43 PM those guys are awesome and i want one of them back and each one of the new books about hallistra and allisza has oppurtunities for them to return.
souldnce9
05-29-07, 07:23 PM Didn't they die?
Arbourean
05-29-07, 08:35 PM They did leave the possibility that Pharaun could be resurrected. Actually I hope he is, I found him to be a rather interesting character.
Poison_Dusk
05-29-07, 09:33 PM I would also love to see Jeggred come back, though I truthfully know he never will.
Lord Karsus
05-30-07, 12:29 AM -I'd like to see proper grammar make a return, actually. :rolleyes:

-Anyway, resurrecting Ryld and Pharaun would damage the integrity of the characters. It happens in comic books all the time.
Poison_Dusk
05-30-07, 01:31 AM For once, I agree with Karsus.
souldnce9
05-30-07, 02:24 AM Lord Karsus, who was that snide comment about grammer directed at? Are you being mean for the sake of being mean? Naughty Elf! :P

I also agree with Lord Karsus. I enjoyed the characters, but bringing them back would definately alter that.
Theogonist
05-30-07, 05:21 AM I really wonder what use this hot as hell Succubus has for the parts she took from Phaeraun's remains... :schemes:
BrennonGoldeye
05-30-07, 08:37 AM Lord Karsus, who was that snide comment about grammer directed at? Are you being mean for the sake of being mean? Naughty Elf! :P

I'm actually the naughty elf in the organization. :P

I also agree with Lord Karsus. I enjoyed the characters, but bringing them back would definately alter that.

Ryld is long gone. Way gone. *waves bye to Ryld*

Pharaun on the other hand(or finger as the case may be). A character this "good" deserves another try.:D
Lord Karsus
05-30-07, 09:52 AM Lord Karsus, who was that snide comment about grammer directed at? Are you being mean for the sake of being mean? Naughty Elf! :P

-It was directed at the OP. I mean, look at that, and then tell me you don't disagree.

For once, I agree with Karsus.

-You should do that more often, I think.
Lord Dracul
05-30-07, 10:40 AM those guys are awesome and i want one of them back and each one of the new books about hallistra and allisza has oppurtunities for them to return.

As some of the others have stated, Ryld was Jeggred's dinner and Pharaun was completely dismembered, save for his finger, which the Alu-Fiend has in her possesion. Pharaun has a chance to return to the world of the living however, Ryld does not.
Bonzai
05-30-07, 12:45 PM However, that may not rule out Ryld's Spirit making a cameo in the up coming lady pentient books. He is in the Demonweb pits after all, and his soul may be a useful piece in the sava game.

As for Pheraun, I would like to see him come back, but I think Halistras brother is taking his place in the novels.
sages
05-30-07, 01:19 PM It would be great if Ryld made a come back. We were shocked when he died.:weep:
Stupid enchanted axe.:rant: :pbbbtt:
:allalone:
Lord Karsus
05-30-07, 01:21 PM It would be great if Ryld made a come back. We were shocked when he died.:weep:

-That's the very reason why he shouldn't come back.
BrennonGoldeye
05-30-07, 01:26 PM Although I do like the idea of a cameo in Lady Penitent. As long as it is well written. So far I love me some Lisa.:ayyyy!:
Lord Karsus
05-30-07, 02:02 PM -Perhaps the appearance of one spirit of Ryld will turn The Lady Pentient from heel to face.
byakuganbrawler
05-30-07, 03:32 PM Do not read if you haven't read gossamer plane

Allisza has something else to remember him by... His son who is 1/2 drow 1/4 human and 1/4 succubus.
sages
05-30-07, 03:52 PM Allisza has something else to remember him by... His son who is 1/2 drow 1/4 human and 1/4 succubus.
?:thinks:
Lord Dracul
05-30-07, 05:02 PM Allisza has something else to remember him by... His son who is 1/2 drow 1/4 human and 1/4 succubus.

I think you mean 'Alu-Fiend'.

Also, when or how does he get a son??
Boda
05-30-07, 08:53 PM Ryld. Ah! The guy with one of most stupidest deaths in novels ever!
MerrikCale
05-30-07, 09:23 PM Anyway, resurrecting Ryld and Pharaun would damage the integrity of the characters. It happens in comic books all the time.

But bringing back Steve Rogers would be OK right?

Anyway, with Ryld I agree. But the series specifically lead you to the conclusion that Pharaun could come back. And unlike in comics books, we do have the appropriate spells here.
Lord_Steve
05-30-07, 10:00 PM Those two were great characters....personally though, I'm dissappointed in what happened to Halistra.
Lord Karsus
05-31-07, 12:14 AM Allisza has something else to remember him by... His son who is 1/2 drow 1/4 human and 1/4 succubus.

?:thinks:

-Thanks. Thanks a whole lot...:mad:

-You know, there are things called Spoiler Tags.

Also, when or how does he get a son??

-Well, now that it's semi out in the open Aliiza is pregnant in The Gossamer Plain.

But bringing back Steve Rogers would be OK right?

-No, no it would not. Bringing back someone else as Captain America would, though.
Dxzauvrinn
05-31-07, 03:48 AM Allisza has something else to remember him by... His son who is 1/2 drow 1/4 human and 1/4 succubus.

Freaking geez man! I wasn't finished reading that novel yet! I only just got to the part where I found out she was pregnant and I was thinking it was Helm Dwarf-Friend's ugly kid.
Oh well, that is cool though.
Lord Karsus
05-31-07, 10:53 AM Freaking geez man! I wasn't finished reading that novel yet! I only just got to the part where I found out she was pregnant and I was thinking it was Helm Dwarf-Friend's ugly kid.

-Heh, I'm up to that same exact part.
Lord Dracul
05-31-07, 01:20 PM I don't even have the book yet. Can this thread be edited and have a SPOLIER WARNING on it??
byakuganbrawler
05-31-07, 05:19 PM I am so fricking sorry let me edit it "hangs head in shame"
Lord Karsus
05-31-07, 05:26 PM -There, that's mostly better.
MerrikCale
05-31-07, 06:42 PM --No, no it would not. Bringing back someone else as Captain America would, though.

Clint Barton-OK. Frank Castle - not so much
Lord Karsus
05-31-07, 08:07 PM -I nominate the Winter Soldier, actually. Who better to take on the mantle of Captain America than Bucky?
The Ranger
06-01-07, 12:53 AM I was just happy that my main man Valas Hune made it out alive. But I too would love to see that lovable scamp of a dark elf mage make a return appearance.

Ryld was cool and all, but then again I still haven't figured out how a drow weapons master gets done in by a draegloth and a woodsman's axe. Seriously, a woodsman's axe takes out a +5 keen superior dispelling greatsword? I think not.
souldnce9
06-01-07, 01:01 AM I couldn't agree more! Valas was really cool!
PharaunMizzrym
06-01-07, 06:13 PM Comic books do give us some ideas for how to bring Pharaun back.

1) Give him the Pheonix Force.
2) Give him the Power Cosmic.
3) Have Xavier swap his consciousness into another body (there actually is a psionic ability that allows this)

Shar and Galactus would make a good couple.:)
GothicDan
06-01-07, 06:17 PM Not at all. Galactus is more like Talos. He's a fundamental force of the cosmos, one of the things that keeps it balanced rather than devolving into utter oblivion.

Shar and Thanatos, though...
Bonzai
06-01-07, 06:46 PM I was just happy that my main man Valas Hune made it out alive. But I too would love to see that lovable scamp of a dark elf mage make a return appearance.

Ryld was cool and all, but then again I still haven't figured out how a drow weapons master gets done in by a draegloth and a woodsman's axe. Seriously, a woodsman's axe takes out a +5 keen superior dispelling greatsword? I think not.

He wasn't killed by an axe.... he was killed by a plot device.

I feel the same way though. Despite how easily a seasoned and wary drow veteran allows himself to get seperated from his team mate, and go tromping off into an unknown swamp. Despite the improbability of finding and picking up a magical weapon in a loggers camp in the middle of the swamp (and just happing to pick that axe among all the others), what gets me was the complete break down in Rylds character. This was a lowborn Drow that fought his way from the streets, and became a weapons master despite having no house to support him. His sword get sundered, and suddenly he just freezes in his tracks and lets himself be killed? He had a magical short sword as a back up. He could have fought on. He could have ran. He could have done a lot of different things. But instead he just sat there and died.
Lord Dracul
06-01-07, 07:20 PM He wasn't killed by an axe.... he was killed by a plot device.

I feel the same way though. Despite how easily a seasoned and wary drow veteran allows himself to get seperated from his team mate, and go tromping off into an unknown swamp. Despite the improbability of finding and picking up a magical weapon in a loggers camp in the middle of the swamp (and just happing to pick that axe among all the others), what gets me was the complete break down in Rylds character. This was a lowborn Drow that fought his way from the streets, and became a weapons master despite having no house to support him. His sword get sundered, and suddenly he just freezes in his tracks and lets himself be killed? He had a magical short sword as a back up. He could have fought on. He could have ran. He could have done a lot of different things. But instead he just sat there and died.

I agree. It was a dumb way to have Ryld die.
XHereticX
06-01-07, 08:49 PM never liked Ryld much. I liked Phaeraun in the beginning but later he just became gay. No, I don't think Ryld is coming back any time soon:D but Phaeraun might get resurrected by Alizza or someone who knows him.
MerrikCale
06-01-07, 09:10 PM Shar and Thanatos, though...

I think Beshaba and the Joker would make a nice couple
XHereticX
06-01-07, 09:26 PM So would Moander and Poison Ivy
Lord Karsus
06-02-07, 07:12 PM Comic books do give us some ideas for how to bring Pharaun back.

1) Give him the Pheonix Force.

-Pharaun doesn't deserve the Phoenix Force. Most hosts don't deserve it, actually...Only Jean and Rachel.
Arbourean
06-03-07, 07:42 PM The penultimate book in the WOTSQ series is the only one I missed, and more and more I am glad I did.

A woodaxe??
Straploknight
06-04-07, 12:05 AM He wasn't killed by an axe.... he was killed by a plot device.

I feel the same way though. Despite how easily a seasoned and wary drow veteran allows himself to get seperated from his team mate, and go tromping off into an unknown swamp. Despite the improbability of finding and picking up a magical weapon in a loggers camp in the middle of the swamp (and just happing to pick that axe among all the others), what gets me was the complete break down in Rylds character. This was a lowborn Drow that fought his way from the streets, and became a weapons master despite having no house to support him. His sword get sundered, and suddenly he just freezes in his tracks and lets himself be killed? He had a magical short sword as a back up. He could have fought on. He could have ran. He could have done a lot of different things. But instead he just sat there and died.

Bah, Ryld like Obi Wan chose to go down, so he would become greater than they would ever know. Okay, so maybe he didn't, but I think Uthengentel suffered a more disgraceful death.
Straploknight
06-04-07, 12:10 AM Allisza has something else to remember him by... His son who is 1/2 drow 1/4 human and 1/4 succubus.

Hmmmmm....boy, I see a fad coming on.... I wonder how many will be running around Cormanthyr in FR 4.0, or will we see a new sub-race, the drow elven version of the Fey'ri?
stanleyx2002
06-05-07, 03:55 PM He wasn't killed by an axe.... he was killed by a plot device.

I feel the same way though. Despite how easily a seasoned and wary drow veteran allows himself to get seperated from his team mate, and go tromping off into an unknown swamp. Despite the improbability of finding and picking up a magical weapon in a loggers camp in the middle of the swamp (and just happing to pick that axe among all the others), what gets me was the complete break down in Rylds character. This was a lowborn Drow that fought his way from the streets, and became a weapons master despite having no house to support him. His sword get sundered, and suddenly he just freezes in his tracks and lets himself be killed? He had a magical short sword as a back up. He could have fought on. He could have ran. He could have done a lot of different things. But instead he just sat there and died.

Well one thing to factor in there, is that Splitter was such a big part of who Ryld was, it was his other half basically, he depended on it so much. So it was as if he lost an arm, of course he's going to be in shock for a moment, like, "oh man...after all these years..."

I hope he makes a cameo in the later Lady Penitent books, but i wouldn't be sad if he doesn't.

Pharaun on the other hand...I'm not so sure about a return. Believe me, i love him as much as the next guy but after reading the Gossamer Plain..i just don't know.

And besides, Pharaun Mizzrym, of all drow, never cast Clone in his life as a wizard? Where's the sense in that?
Lord Karsus
06-05-07, 05:27 PM ...or will we see a new sub-race, the drow elven version of the Fey'ri?

-There kind of already is- Draegloth. They are part Drow and part Demon.

Well one thing to factor in there, is that Splitter was such a big part of who Ryld was, it was his other half basically, he depended on it so much. So it was as if he lost an arm, of course he's going to be in shock for a moment, like, "oh man...after all these years..."

-Interesting point. That really puts it in perspective.

And besides, Pharaun Mizzrym, of all drow, never cast Clone in his life as a wizard? Where's the sense in that?

-Apparently not.
Realms Walker
06-07-07, 06:53 PM In the current atmosphere wizards has created either could come back for any number of reasons. Death isnt permanent anymore apparently. I am impressed that they even killed them off.

And my 2 cents on Ryld's death. It was absolutely stupid. He was a weaponsmaster regardless of how much a part of him Splitter was. He got killed by a CR 5 Creature if I am not mistaken! Before you go gonzo on me I realize it was a novel and in novels NPCs can and ahve been killed by things akin to mice or lived through fighting gods hand to hand even though there were a Farmer but still it is just SILLY!
Straploknight
06-07-07, 06:59 PM -There kind of already is- Draegloth. They are part Drow and part Demon.

Abominations fit only to be skewered on the end of a spear or sword. I always found it odd that the drow revere them so much when they are obsessed with physical perfection. Then again, who am I to judge another ma..err drow's treasure.
Lord Karsus
06-07-07, 07:29 PM He got killed by a CR 5 Creature if I am not mistaken!

-Draegloth have a +10 ECL to begin with, and Jeggred did have character levels, on top of that.
Realms Walker
06-11-07, 06:22 PM In Monsters of Faerun weren't Draegloths a CR 5 creature? They might have been updated but I coulda swore that they were very Unimpressive.
Lord Karsus
06-11-07, 06:45 PM In Monsters of Faerun weren't Draegloths a CR 5 creature? They might have been updated but I coulda swore that they were very Unimpressive.

-Their CR in Monsters of Faer�n is 5. Champions of Ruin, which is newer, and thus, is the now "official" ruling on the topic, says that the Draegloth ECL is +10 (Pg. 11, bottom left column).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
byakuganbrawler 05-29-07, 06:43 PM	those guys are awesome and i want one of them back and each one of the new books about hallistra and allisza has oppurtunities for them to return.
souldnce9 05-29-07, 07:23 PM	Didn't they die?
Arbourean 05-29-07, 08:35 PM	They did leave the possibility that Pharaun could be resurrected. Actually I hope he is, I found him to be a rather interesting character.
Poison_Dusk 05-29-07, 09:33 PM	I would also love to see Jeggred come back, though I truthfully know he never will.
Lord Karsus 05-30-07, 12:29 AM	-I'd like to see proper grammar make a return, actually. :rolleyes: -Anyway, resurrecting Ryld and Pharaun would damage the integrity of the characters. It happens in comic books all the time.
Poison_Dusk 05-30-07, 01:31 AM	For once, I agree with Karsus.
souldnce9 05-30-07, 02:24 AM	Lord Karsus, who was that snide comment about grammer directed at? Are you being mean for the sake of being mean? Naughty Elf! :P I also agree with Lord Karsus. I enjoyed the characters, but bringing them back would definately alter that.
Theogonist 05-30-07, 05:21 AM	I really wonder what use this hot as hell Succubus has for the parts she took from Phaeraun's remains... :schemes:
BrennonGoldeye 05-30-07, 08:37 AM	Lord Karsus, who was that snide comment about grammer directed at? Are you being mean for the sake of being mean? Naughty Elf! :P I'm actually the naughty elf in the organization. :P I also agree with Lord Karsus. I enjoyed the characters, but bringing them back would definately alter that. Ryld is long gone. Way gone. waves bye to Ryld Pharaun on the other hand(or finger as the case may be). A character this "good" deserves another try.:D
Lord Karsus 05-30-07, 09:52 AM	Lord Karsus, who was that snide comment about grammer directed at? Are you being mean for the sake of being mean? Naughty Elf! :P -It was directed at the OP. I mean, look at that, and then tell me you don't disagree. For once, I agree with Karsus. -You should do that more often, I think.
Lord Dracul 05-30-07, 10:40 AM	those guys are awesome and i want one of them back and each one of the new books about hallistra and allisza has oppurtunities for them to return. As some of the others have stated, Ryld was Jeggred's dinner and Pharaun was completely dismembered, save for his finger, which the Alu-Fiend has in her possesion. Pharaun has a chance to return to the world of the living however, Ryld does not.
Bonzai 05-30-07, 12:45 PM	However, that may not rule out Ryld's Spirit making a cameo in the up coming lady pentient books. He is in the Demonweb pits after all, and his soul may be a useful piece in the sava game. As for Pheraun, I would like to see him come back, but I think Halistras brother is taking his place in the novels.
sages 05-30-07, 01:19 PM	It would be great if Ryld made a come back. We were shocked when he died.:weep: Stupid enchanted axe.:rant: :pbbbtt: :allalone:
Lord Karsus 05-30-07, 01:21 PM	It would be great if Ryld made a come back. We were shocked when he died.:weep: -That's the very reason why he shouldn't come back.
BrennonGoldeye 05-30-07, 01:26 PM	Although I do like the idea of a cameo in Lady Penitent. As long as it is well written. So far I love me some Lisa.:ayyyy!:
Lord Karsus 05-30-07, 02:02 PM	-Perhaps the appearance of one spirit of Ryld will turn The Lady Pentient from heel to face.
byakuganbrawler 05-30-07, 03:32 PM	Do not read if you haven't read gossamer plane Allisza has something else to remember him by... His son who is 1/2 drow 1/4 human and 1/4 succubus.
sages 05-30-07, 03:52 PM	Allisza has something else to remember him by... His son who is 1/2 drow 1/4 human and 1/4 succubus. ?:thinks:
Lord Dracul 05-30-07, 05:02 PM	Allisza has something else to remember him by... His son who is 1/2 drow 1/4 human and 1/4 succubus. I think you mean 'Alu-Fiend'. Also, when or how does he get a son??
Boda 05-30-07, 08:53 PM	Ryld. Ah! The guy with one of most stupidest deaths in novels ever!
MerrikCale 05-30-07, 09:23 PM	Anyway, resurrecting Ryld and Pharaun would damage the integrity of the characters. It happens in comic books all the time. But bringing back Steve Rogers would be OK right? Anyway, with Ryld I agree. But the series specifically lead you to the conclusion that Pharaun could come back. And unlike in comics books, we do have the appropriate spells here.
Lord_Steve 05-30-07, 10:00 PM	Those two were great characters....personally though, I'm dissappointed in what happened to Halistra.
Lord Karsus 05-31-07, 12:14 AM	Allisza has something else to remember him by... His son who is 1/2 drow 1/4 human and 1/4 succubus. ?:thinks: -Thanks. Thanks a whole lot...:mad: -You know, there are things called Spoiler Tags. Also, when or how does he get a son?? -Well, now that it's semi out in the open Aliiza is pregnant in The Gossamer Plain. But bringing back Steve Rogers would be OK right? -No, no it would not. Bringing back someone else as Captain America would, though.
Dxzauvrinn 05-31-07, 03:48 AM	Allisza has something else to remember him by... His son who is 1/2 drow 1/4 human and 1/4 succubus. Freaking geez man! I wasn't finished reading that novel yet! I only just got to the part where I found out she was pregnant and I was thinking it was Helm Dwarf-Friend's ugly kid. Oh well, that is cool though.
Lord Karsus 05-31-07, 10:53 AM	Freaking geez man! I wasn't finished reading that novel yet! I only just got to the part where I found out she was pregnant and I was thinking it was Helm Dwarf-Friend's ugly kid. -Heh, I'm up to that same exact part.
Lord Dracul 05-31-07, 01:20 PM	I don't even have the book yet. Can this thread be edited and have a SPOLIER WARNING on it??
byakuganbrawler 05-31-07, 05:19 PM	I am so fricking sorry let me edit it "hangs head in shame"
Lord Karsus 05-31-07, 05:26 PM	-There, that's mostly better.
MerrikCale 05-31-07, 06:42 PM	--No, no it would not. Bringing back someone else as Captain America would, though. Clint Barton-OK. Frank Castle - not so much
Lord Karsus 05-31-07, 08:07 PM	-I nominate the Winter Soldier, actually. Who better to take on the mantle of Captain America than Bucky?
The Ranger 06-01-07, 12:53 AM	I was just happy that my main man Valas Hune made it out alive. But I too would love to see that lovable scamp of a dark elf mage make a return appearance. Ryld was cool and all, but then again I still haven't figured out how a drow weapons master gets done in by a draegloth and a woodsman's axe. Seriously, a woodsman's axe takes out a +5 keen superior dispelling greatsword? I think not.
souldnce9 06-01-07, 01:01 AM	I couldn't agree more! Valas was really cool!
PharaunMizzrym 06-01-07, 06:13 PM	Comic books do give us some ideas for how to bring Pharaun back. 1) Give him the Pheonix Force. 2) Give him the Power Cosmic. 3) Have Xavier swap his consciousness into another body (there actually is a psionic ability that allows this) Shar and Galactus would make a good couple.:)
GothicDan 06-01-07, 06:17 PM	Not at all. Galactus is more like Talos. He's a fundamental force of the cosmos, one of the things that keeps it balanced rather than devolving into utter oblivion. Shar and Thanatos, though...
Bonzai 06-01-07, 06:46 PM	I was just happy that my main man Valas Hune made it out alive. But I too would love to see that lovable scamp of a dark elf mage make a return appearance. Ryld was cool and all, but then again I still haven't figured out how a drow weapons master gets done in by a draegloth and a woodsman's axe. Seriously, a woodsman's axe takes out a +5 keen superior dispelling greatsword? I think not. He wasn't killed by an axe.... he was killed by a plot device. I feel the same way though. Despite how easily a seasoned and wary drow veteran allows himself to get seperated from his team mate, and go tromping off into an unknown swamp. Despite the improbability of finding and picking up a magical weapon in a loggers camp in the middle of the swamp (and just happing to pick that axe among all the others), what gets me was the complete break down in Rylds character. This was a lowborn Drow that fought his way from the streets, and became a weapons master despite having no house to support him. His sword get sundered, and suddenly he just freezes in his tracks and lets himself be killed? He had a magical short sword as a back up. He could have fought on. He could have ran. He could have done a lot of different things. But instead he just sat there and died.
Lord Dracul 06-01-07, 07:20 PM	He wasn't killed by an axe.... he was killed by a plot device. I feel the same way though. Despite how easily a seasoned and wary drow veteran allows himself to get seperated from his team mate, and go tromping off into an unknown swamp. Despite the improbability of finding and picking up a magical weapon in a loggers camp in the middle of the swamp (and just happing to pick that axe among all the others), what gets me was the complete break down in Rylds character. This was a lowborn Drow that fought his way from the streets, and became a weapons master despite having no house to support him. His sword get sundered, and suddenly he just freezes in his tracks and lets himself be killed? He had a magical short sword as a back up. He could have fought on. He could have ran. He could have done a lot of different things. But instead he just sat there and died. I agree. It was a dumb way to have Ryld die.
XHereticX 06-01-07, 08:49 PM	never liked Ryld much. I liked Phaeraun in the beginning but later he just became gay. No, I don't think Ryld is coming back any time soon:D but Phaeraun might get resurrected by Alizza or someone who knows him.
MerrikCale 06-01-07, 09:10 PM	Shar and Thanatos, though... I think Beshaba and the Joker would make a nice couple
XHereticX 06-01-07, 09:26 PM	So would Moander and Poison Ivy
Lord Karsus 06-02-07, 07:12 PM	Comic books do give us some ideas for how to bring Pharaun back. 1) Give him the Pheonix Force. -Pharaun doesn't deserve the Phoenix Force. Most hosts don't deserve it, actually...Only Jean and Rachel.
Arbourean 06-03-07, 07:42 PM	The penultimate book in the WOTSQ series is the only one I missed, and more and more I am glad I did. A woodaxe??
Straploknight 06-04-07, 12:05 AM	He wasn't killed by an axe.... he was killed by a plot device. I feel the same way though. Despite how easily a seasoned and wary drow veteran allows himself to get seperated from his team mate, and go tromping off into an unknown swamp. Despite the improbability of finding and picking up a magical weapon in a loggers camp in the middle of the swamp (and just happing to pick that axe among all the others), what gets me was the complete break down in Rylds character. This was a lowborn Drow that fought his way from the streets, and became a weapons master despite having no house to support him. His sword get sundered, and suddenly he just freezes in his tracks and lets himself be killed? He had a magical short sword as a back up. He could have fought on. He could have ran. He could have done a lot of different things. But instead he just sat there and died. Bah, Ryld like Obi Wan chose to go down, so he would become greater than they would ever know. Okay, so maybe he didn't, but I think Uthengentel suffered a more disgraceful death.
Straploknight 06-04-07, 12:10 AM	Allisza has something else to remember him by... His son who is 1/2 drow 1/4 human and 1/4 succubus. Hmmmmm....boy, I see a fad coming on.... I wonder how many will be running around Cormanthyr in FR 4.0, or will we see a new sub-race, the drow elven version of the Fey'ri?
stanleyx2002 06-05-07, 03:55 PM	He wasn't killed by an axe.... he was killed by a plot device. I feel the same way though. Despite how easily a seasoned and wary drow veteran allows himself to get seperated from his team mate, and go tromping off into an unknown swamp. Despite the improbability of finding and picking up a magical weapon in a loggers camp in the middle of the swamp (and just happing to pick that axe among all the others), what gets me was the complete break down in Rylds character. This was a lowborn Drow that fought his way from the streets, and became a weapons master despite having no house to support him. His sword get sundered, and suddenly he just freezes in his tracks and lets himself be killed? He had a magical short sword as a back up. He could have fought on. He could have ran. He could have done a lot of different things. But instead he just sat there and died. Well one thing to factor in there, is that Splitter was such a big part of who Ryld was, it was his other half basically, he depended on it so much. So it was as if he lost an arm, of course he's going to be in shock for a moment, like, "oh man...after all these years..." I hope he makes a cameo in the later Lady Penitent books, but i wouldn't be sad if he doesn't. Pharaun on the other hand...I'm not so sure about a return. Believe me, i love him as much as the next guy but after reading the Gossamer Plain..i just don't know. And besides, Pharaun Mizzrym, of all drow, never cast Clone in his life as a wizard? Where's the sense in that?
Lord Karsus 06-05-07, 05:27 PM	...or will we see a new sub-race, the drow elven version of the Fey'ri? -There kind of already is- Draegloth. They are part Drow and part Demon. Well one thing to factor in there, is that Splitter was such a big part of who Ryld was, it was his other half basically, he depended on it so much. So it was as if he lost an arm, of course he's going to be in shock for a moment, like, "oh man...after all these years..." -Interesting point. That really puts it in perspective. And besides, Pharaun Mizzrym, of all drow, never cast Clone in his life as a wizard? Where's the sense in that? -Apparently not.
Realms Walker 06-07-07, 06:53 PM	In the current atmosphere wizards has created either could come back for any number of reasons. Death isnt permanent anymore apparently. I am impressed that they even killed them off. And my 2 cents on Ryld's death. It was absolutely stupid. He was a weaponsmaster regardless of how much a part of him Splitter was. He got killed by a CR 5 Creature if I am not mistaken! Before you go gonzo on me I realize it was a novel and in novels NPCs can and ahve been killed by things akin to mice or lived through fighting gods hand to hand even though there were a Farmer but still it is just SILLY!
Straploknight 06-07-07, 06:59 PM	-There kind of already is- Draegloth. They are part Drow and part Demon. Abominations fit only to be skewered on the end of a spear or sword. I always found it odd that the drow revere them so much when they are obsessed with physical perfection. Then again, who am I to judge another ma..err drow's treasure.
Lord Karsus 06-07-07, 07:29 PM	He got killed by a CR 5 Creature if I am not mistaken! -Draegloth have a +10 ECL to begin with, and Jeggred did have character levels, on top of that.
Realms Walker 06-11-07, 06:22 PM	In Monsters of Faerun weren't Draegloths a CR 5 creature? They might have been updated but I coulda swore that they were very Unimpressive.
Lord Karsus 06-11-07, 06:45 PM	In Monsters of Faerun weren't Draegloths a CR 5 creature? They might have been updated but I coulda swore that they were very Unimpressive. -Their CR in Monsters of Faer�n is 5. Champions of Ruin, which is newer, and thus, is the now "official" ruling on the topic, says that the Draegloth ECL is +10 (Pg. 11, bottom left column).