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maddog0714
07-30-07, 04:58 PM I know Mazteca and some place called Zatera or something like that are other land masses on Toril, but are the other land masses unexplored, or have they been updated somewhere?
It does'nt make since that a world as old as Toril, with arch mages and epic characters and such magic has not been completly explored yet.
Ioulaum
07-30-07, 05:43 PM I know Mazteca and some place called Zatera or something like that are other land masses on Toril, but are the other land masses unexplored, or have they been updated somewhere?
It does'nt make since that a world as old as Toril, with arch mages and epic characters and such magic has not been completly explored yet.

Who said they were not already explore? Any number of Archmages in the past could have been to those other lands and some might even have settle there. Just because 99% of the people in Faerun doesn't know doesn't mean the other 1% also doesn't know. You wouldn't see too many reference to these other lands because they don't concern 99% of the people in Faerun. Places like the libraries of Silvermoon, Candlekeep, Waterdeep and Evermeet probably has info on the other lands.
Lord Karsus
07-30-07, 06:06 PM Any number of Archmages in the past could have been to those other lands and some might even have settle there.

-Exactly. A little scrying, anyone?

-As for those other continents, we know that the following exist:

Maztica (Maztica 2e sourcebooks)
Kara-Tur (Oriental Adventures 1 & 2e sourcebooks)
Zakhara (al-Qadim 2e Sourcebooks)
Osse (Lady of Poison Novel)
Anchorome (Ed's Replies)
maddog0714
07-30-07, 06:18 PM So in other words, if the rest of the lands have been explored, no one knows except for those who may have explored them.
Still doesn't make since in a world as magically advanced as Toril.
Lord Karsus
07-30-07, 06:29 PM So in other words, if the rest of the lands have been explored, no one knows except for those who may have explored them.

-These other continents have been explored to varying degrees. The amount of information that the common populace knows about these lands also varies.

Still doesn't make since in a world as magically advanced as Toril.

-The majority of Toril doesn't have the ability to utilize the Weave and cast magic.
Ioulaum
07-30-07, 08:31 PM So in other words, if the rest of the lands have been explored, no one knows except for those who may have explored them.
Still doesn't make since in a world as magically advanced as Toril.

Toril isn't really that advance in magic except for certain Regions. it is high in magic but not advance in terms of using magic for everyday stuff. Some places like Evermeet or Harular would be different but the majority of people in Faerun and Toril still use mostly hand labor.
Gargarios
07-30-07, 09:16 PM I think a campaign to explore those lands would be really fun, like Lewis and Clark. And characters could claim entire unexplored islands for themselves. Also it could be alot of fun for the DM too.
Zevox
07-30-07, 09:52 PM So in other words, if the rest of the lands have been explored, no one knows except for those who may have explored them.
Still doesn't make since in a world as magically advanced as Toril.
As others have noted, referring to Faerūn as "magically advanced" is not really accurate. There have been quite a number of powerful Archmages and High Priests who have achieved incredible magical knowledge and feats, yes, but the average joe of the Realms goes their entire life without seeing any magic except for the odd low-power Clerical orison, healing spell, or blessing, or a young traveling Wizard showing off his cantrips, and those would all be very few and far between. The truly magically advanced folk will have much more knowledge of lands beyond Faerūn than the average commoner of the lands, because they actually care and have the means to learn about them. Most of Faerūn simply does not have either the concern or the means to do so.

Zevox
Lord Karsus
07-30-07, 11:57 PM I think a campaign to explore those lands would be really fun, like Lewis and Clark. And characters could claim entire unexplored islands for themselves. Also it could be alot of fun for the DM too.

-Most of the aforementioned extraFaerūnian continents already have established and relativley advanced civilizations, many of which already interact, to some degree, with various Faerūnian nations. However, the FR map is left blank in many other areas intentionally, just for DMs to carve out their own niche on Abeir-Toril.
captaincarot
07-31-07, 11:59 AM I think a campaign to explore those lands would be really fun, like Lewis and Clark. And characters could claim entire unexplored islands for themselves. Also it could be alot of fun for the DM too.

hmm untill that is you find the wild eyed nutter pointing at the big copper pot while peeling the potatoes and rubbing his stomach as a welcome. then the fun levels get reduced.
Gargarios
07-31-07, 12:19 PM I have been thinking about sending my adventurers to other lands... are there any maps of Kara-tur, Maztica, or Zakhara I could use?
Apupunchau
07-31-07, 01:01 PM My group hasn't really explored any of these places but I'm playing a character from Mazteca. In the FRCS book doesn't it say that Amn has an outpost in MAztec and they do steady trade there?
Ioulaum
07-31-07, 02:16 PM I have been thinking about sending my adventurers to other lands... are there any maps of Kara-tur, Maztica, or Zakhara I could use?

Not sure about Zakhara but there are some free 2nd downloads about Maztica and Kara-Tura. I don't think they have complete maps but i think they do have partial maps and very good descreptions of the culture and people you will meet in both places.
MarkusTay63
07-31-07, 04:23 PM There's a nice Map of Zakhara HERE, (http://enworld.org/Inzeladun/inzeladun/maps/al_qadim.htm) and a World Map here. (http://www.chez.com/bossk/map/toril.htm)

To see how all of the settings connect you can download my
Hordelands map (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/56143370/) and my Utter East map (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/59762724/).

The Hordelands are 100% canon, and the Utter East Map is mostly canon, with a few locations taken from the Blood & Magic video game, and the non-canon Double Diamond series. All the tiny islands off the coast are my invention for the most part, just to make it more interesting, and the forests were my creation as well.

Kara-Tur and Maztica maps coming soon! :D
Alac Luin
07-31-07, 05:24 PM My group hasn't really explored any of these places but I'm playing a character from Mazteca. In the FRCS book doesn't it say that Amn has an outpost in MAztec and they do steady trade there?
So does Waterdeep and Baulder's Gate.
Amn- Helmsport
Waterdeep - New Waterdeep
Baulder's Gate - Fort Flame

Not sure about Zakhara but there are some free 2nd downloads about Maztica and Kara-Tura. I don't think they have complete maps but i think they do have partial maps and very good descreptions of the culture and people you will meet in both places.

The Maztica Boxed set on the download page has the multi page map that came withh the boxed set.
That map is a bit dated now, as it does not show the location on New Waterdeap or Fort Flame (for those you need to look at the Amn section of Lands of Intrigue also available as a free download).
creyzi4zb12
08-03-07, 08:32 AM Hmmmm...I wonder if there are orcs on Maztica or Zamboanga or Kara-Tur or Zakhara or Dipolog or Osse or Anchorome, or any other continent besides Faerun? Mostly I think humans were the ones focused on it.
Or maybe there's a new race......beautiful and great too....like toons maybe.
Ioulaum
08-03-07, 11:11 AM Hmmmm...I wonder if there are orcs on Maztica or Zamboanga or Kara-Tur or Zakhara or Dipolog or Osse or Anchorome, or any other continent besides Faerun? Mostly I think humans were the ones focused on it.
Or maybe there's a new race......beautiful and great too....like toons maybe.

There are Orcs in Maztica but not in Kara-Tura.

No idea about Zakhara and never heard of the other places.
Alac Luin
08-03-07, 03:34 PM Orcs on Maztica

They are not native, in an day called the "Night of Wailing" a Maztican deity (perhaps working with Lolth) turned many of his followers into orcs, ogres and trolls.

Before this time these three races did not exist on Maztica.
Since almost all the followers that were turned into orcs, etc, were male, there really isn't really a breeding pool of these races.

I can almost imagine ships filled with female orcs setting sail to Maztica, a match makeing service for all the orcish widows on Faerun. :D
ShadezofDis
08-03-07, 03:39 PM Orcs on Maztica

They are not native, in an day called the "Night of Wailing" a Maztican deity (perhaps working with Lolth) turned many of his followers into orcs, ogres and trolls.

Before this time these three races did not exist on Maztica.
Since almost all the followers that were turned into orcs, etc, were male, there really isn't really a breeding pool of these races.

I can almost imagine ships filled with female orcs setting sail to Maztica, a match makeing service for all the orcish widows on Faerun. :D

That just smacks of Amn and would kill two birds with one stone for them (though it would potentially destabilize their maztican trade) and they could run a "indentured servitude" type program.

Not that I find this likely, but it's a fun little thought.
Gargarios
08-03-07, 04:38 PM Orcs on Maztica

They are not native, in an day called the "Night of Wailing" a Maztican deity (perhaps working with Lolth) turned many of his followers into orcs, ogres and trolls.

Were they punished for a reason? Or did the God want to just show his wrath?
Ioulaum
08-03-07, 05:38 PM if i remeber it correctly (been a few years since i read it) thier was afraid of his borther coming back and stealing thier form him. So he transform his priest into trolls and the rest of his followers into ogres and orcs so that they can't change their worship.
Alac Luin
08-03-07, 05:45 PM Were they punished for a reason? Or did the God want to just show his wrath?

In game explanation:
It was not a punishment, Orcs ogres, and trolls are a more savage fighters then the human form. The new forms were a reward for the loyal members of the particular cult (if 40,000 is actually a cult, but thats what they were called).
It was a form better suited to the particular deity.

Out of game speculation:
It was an excuse to add a familiar element to the setting.
A way to have the bad guys be something other then humans.
I'll also say any connection I made to Lolth earlier is speculation and unsubstantiated.
Lolth was active in the same area at the same time.
She did turn a few drow into driders at the same time Zaltec changed his followers.

The change in Zaltec's followers was instigated through an artifact that was in the hands of the Drow.
Ioulaum
08-03-07, 05:54 PM Lloth turn all the dorw in Maztica into driders for Worshipping Zaltec.
Gargarios
08-03-07, 06:00 PM Is there anyway that people from Fauren can worship Gods from Maztica?

If so where could I find this info?
Ioulaum
08-03-07, 06:23 PM in FR you can worship any god you want. The gods form Faerun is spreading thier religion in Maztica among the natives. You can always do a reverse if you want.
creyzi4zb12
08-04-07, 07:29 AM LOL about the orc women on the ships going to Maztica.
Maybe the orcs should create an imburnal or something, that way their breeding powers could be multiplied three folds.
I could also imagine orc women entertaining weary beggars who don't have a penny left.

Orc *****: "Make love wid me!! No price fer ya old timer!!"
Surprisingly the beggars who have cataract are happy coz they get free women almost everyday. All they gotta do is go to "The Cave"
............
82 year old beggar: Urrrghh you're too heavy miss.
Orc *****: "That's the point!! Mwahahahaha!!"
1 ton ghost
08-04-07, 02:26 PM zakhara is due south of the Shining South (map in FRCS towards back), very much like Dark Sun, Arabian-esque, think 1,001 Nights, etc. big deserts, occaisional oasis, sultans, caliphs, genies, efreet, camel cavalry (mamelukes), etc. they opened a portal long ago and the Bedine (indiginous ppl of Anauroch, ala "the Fremen" so so speak) are related to zakharans. the Shadovar don't really mess w/ them as they are beneath contempt but of course the bedine are pretty badass; routinely raid Zhent caravans across the black road, probably got ahold of lost Netherese ruins/magic/etc. the similiarities between this and Dune are probably more than a little coincidental...

Maztica is cannibalized "new world" (cntrl & s. america) west of Amn's coast. they really ripped this off from the conquistadors, ie)priests of Helm i think. think isle of dread, sea-going adventure. plain vanilla tropical epic, dinosaurs, heathen gods, etc. i thought Chult and Tashalar would've sufficed, but...

Kara Tur is basically a really big mongolia, way East of Thesk, Thay, but West of Shou Empire (think imperial china) etc. the Hordes/horselords are basically mongols, Genghis Kahn, etc. 2nd ed had novels, big alliance between cormyr, zhentil keep, etc. to wipe them out and of course, they did. relatively ungoverned, warlords here and there, lots of land, little of it liveable.

i like to situate Rokugan (medieval fantasy japan) near/around Shou lands for added flare in Faerun. Toril is pretty big, so why not. Oriental Adventures pretty much sums it up, but i allow some of the regular races, elves and the like there even though traditionally Rokugan (Legend of the 5 Rings) is almost exclusively human. this helps pave the way for any samurais that may pop up in the Silver Marches, Wu Jen, etc.

hope this helped

as for the exploration theory and the arch mages, just because you discovered a new land mass doesn't mean you're willing to share those, among the other titan secrets you know w/ the rest of Faerun. most mages stay in power cuz' of a healthy degree of paranoia, why share your info when it will likely be used against you?
Lord Karsus
08-04-07, 06:09 PM Kara Tur is basically a really big mongolia, way East of Thesk, Thay, but West of Shou Empire (think imperial china) etc. the Hordes/horselords are basically mongols, Genghis Kahn, etc. 2nd ed had novels, big alliance between cormyr, zhentil keep, etc. to wipe them out and of course, they did. relatively ungoverned, warlords here and there, lots of land, little of it liveable.

-Incorrect.
Dark Wizard
08-04-07, 06:17 PM Indeed. The area you equate with the Mongols is called the Hordelands. Kara-Tur is actually the area of the Shou.
Lord Karsus
08-04-07, 06:28 PM Indeed. The area you equate with the Mongols is called the Hordelands. Kara-Tur is actually the area of the Shou.

-Thank you. I meant to elaborate on that, but my computer froze. I was surprised that that post went through.
MerrikCale
08-05-07, 08:19 PM I know someone (perhaps Eric Boyd) has said Anachrome would be an ideal place for an African theme even using the Njambe (I think that was the published campaign) as the setting

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
maddog0714 07-30-07, 04:58 PM	I know Mazteca and some place called Zatera or something like that are other land masses on Toril, but are the other land masses unexplored, or have they been updated somewhere? It does'nt make since that a world as old as Toril, with arch mages and epic characters and such magic has not been completly explored yet.
Ioulaum 07-30-07, 05:43 PM	I know Mazteca and some place called Zatera or something like that are other land masses on Toril, but are the other land masses unexplored, or have they been updated somewhere? It does'nt make since that a world as old as Toril, with arch mages and epic characters and such magic has not been completly explored yet. Who said they were not already explore? Any number of Archmages in the past could have been to those other lands and some might even have settle there. Just because 99% of the people in Faerun doesn't know doesn't mean the other 1% also doesn't know. You wouldn't see too many reference to these other lands because they don't concern 99% of the people in Faerun. Places like the libraries of Silvermoon, Candlekeep, Waterdeep and Evermeet probably has info on the other lands.
Lord Karsus 07-30-07, 06:06 PM	Any number of Archmages in the past could have been to those other lands and some might even have settle there. -Exactly. A little scrying, anyone? -As for those other continents, we know that the following exist: Maztica (Maztica 2e sourcebooks) Kara-Tur (Oriental Adventures 1 & 2e sourcebooks) Zakhara (al-Qadim 2e Sourcebooks) Osse (Lady of Poison Novel) Anchorome (Ed's Replies)
maddog0714 07-30-07, 06:18 PM	So in other words, if the rest of the lands have been explored, no one knows except for those who may have explored them. Still doesn't make since in a world as magically advanced as Toril.
Lord Karsus 07-30-07, 06:29 PM	So in other words, if the rest of the lands have been explored, no one knows except for those who may have explored them. -These other continents have been explored to varying degrees. The amount of information that the common populace knows about these lands also varies. Still doesn't make since in a world as magically advanced as Toril. -The majority of Toril doesn't have the ability to utilize the Weave and cast magic.
Ioulaum 07-30-07, 08:31 PM	So in other words, if the rest of the lands have been explored, no one knows except for those who may have explored them. Still doesn't make since in a world as magically advanced as Toril. Toril isn't really that advance in magic except for certain Regions. it is high in magic but not advance in terms of using magic for everyday stuff. Some places like Evermeet or Harular would be different but the majority of people in Faerun and Toril still use mostly hand labor.
Gargarios 07-30-07, 09:16 PM	I think a campaign to explore those lands would be really fun, like Lewis and Clark. And characters could claim entire unexplored islands for themselves. Also it could be alot of fun for the DM too.
Zevox 07-30-07, 09:52 PM	So in other words, if the rest of the lands have been explored, no one knows except for those who may have explored them. Still doesn't make since in a world as magically advanced as Toril. As others have noted, referring to Faerūn as "magically advanced" is not really accurate. There have been quite a number of powerful Archmages and High Priests who have achieved incredible magical knowledge and feats, yes, but the average joe of the Realms goes their entire life without seeing any magic except for the odd low-power Clerical orison, healing spell, or blessing, or a young traveling Wizard showing off his cantrips, and those would all be very few and far between. The truly magically advanced folk will have much more knowledge of lands beyond Faerūn than the average commoner of the lands, because they actually care and have the means to learn about them. Most of Faerūn simply does not have either the concern or the means to do so. Zevox
Lord Karsus 07-30-07, 11:57 PM	I think a campaign to explore those lands would be really fun, like Lewis and Clark. And characters could claim entire unexplored islands for themselves. Also it could be alot of fun for the DM too. -Most of the aforementioned extraFaerūnian continents already have established and relativley advanced civilizations, many of which already interact, to some degree, with various Faerūnian nations. However, the FR map is left blank in many other areas intentionally, just for DMs to carve out their own niche on Abeir-Toril.
captaincarot 07-31-07, 11:59 AM	I think a campaign to explore those lands would be really fun, like Lewis and Clark. And characters could claim entire unexplored islands for themselves. Also it could be alot of fun for the DM too. hmm untill that is you find the wild eyed nutter pointing at the big copper pot while peeling the potatoes and rubbing his stomach as a welcome. then the fun levels get reduced.
Gargarios 07-31-07, 12:19 PM	I have been thinking about sending my adventurers to other lands... are there any maps of Kara-tur, Maztica, or Zakhara I could use?
Apupunchau 07-31-07, 01:01 PM	My group hasn't really explored any of these places but I'm playing a character from Mazteca. In the FRCS book doesn't it say that Amn has an outpost in MAztec and they do steady trade there?
Ioulaum 07-31-07, 02:16 PM	I have been thinking about sending my adventurers to other lands... are there any maps of Kara-tur, Maztica, or Zakhara I could use? Not sure about Zakhara but there are some free 2nd downloads about Maztica and Kara-Tura. I don't think they have complete maps but i think they do have partial maps and very good descreptions of the culture and people you will meet in both places.
MarkusTay63 07-31-07, 04:23 PM	There's a nice Map of Zakhara HERE, (http://enworld.org/Inzeladun/inzeladun/maps/al_qadim.htm) and a World Map here. (http://www.chez.com/bossk/map/toril.htm) To see how all of the settings connect you can download my Hordelands map (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/56143370/) and my Utter East map (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/59762724/). The Hordelands are 100% canon, and the Utter East Map is mostly canon, with a few locations taken from the Blood & Magic video game, and the non-canon Double Diamond series. All the tiny islands off the coast are my invention for the most part, just to make it more interesting, and the forests were my creation as well. Kara-Tur and Maztica maps coming soon! :D
Alac Luin 07-31-07, 05:24 PM	My group hasn't really explored any of these places but I'm playing a character from Mazteca. In the FRCS book doesn't it say that Amn has an outpost in MAztec and they do steady trade there? So does Waterdeep and Baulder's Gate. Amn- Helmsport Waterdeep - New Waterdeep Baulder's Gate - Fort Flame Not sure about Zakhara but there are some free 2nd downloads about Maztica and Kara-Tura. I don't think they have complete maps but i think they do have partial maps and very good descreptions of the culture and people you will meet in both places. The Maztica Boxed set on the download page has the multi page map that came withh the boxed set. That map is a bit dated now, as it does not show the location on New Waterdeap or Fort Flame (for those you need to look at the Amn section of Lands of Intrigue also available as a free download).
creyzi4zb12 08-03-07, 08:32 AM	Hmmmm...I wonder if there are orcs on Maztica or Zamboanga or Kara-Tur or Zakhara or Dipolog or Osse or Anchorome, or any other continent besides Faerun? Mostly I think humans were the ones focused on it. Or maybe there's a new race......beautiful and great too....like toons maybe.
Ioulaum 08-03-07, 11:11 AM	Hmmmm...I wonder if there are orcs on Maztica or Zamboanga or Kara-Tur or Zakhara or Dipolog or Osse or Anchorome, or any other continent besides Faerun? Mostly I think humans were the ones focused on it. Or maybe there's a new race......beautiful and great too....like toons maybe. There are Orcs in Maztica but not in Kara-Tura. No idea about Zakhara and never heard of the other places.
Alac Luin 08-03-07, 03:34 PM	Orcs on Maztica They are not native, in an day called the "Night of Wailing" a Maztican deity (perhaps working with Lolth) turned many of his followers into orcs, ogres and trolls. Before this time these three races did not exist on Maztica. Since almost all the followers that were turned into orcs, etc, were male, there really isn't really a breeding pool of these races. I can almost imagine ships filled with female orcs setting sail to Maztica, a match makeing service for all the orcish widows on Faerun. :D
ShadezofDis 08-03-07, 03:39 PM	Orcs on Maztica They are not native, in an day called the "Night of Wailing" a Maztican deity (perhaps working with Lolth) turned many of his followers into orcs, ogres and trolls. Before this time these three races did not exist on Maztica. Since almost all the followers that were turned into orcs, etc, were male, there really isn't really a breeding pool of these races. I can almost imagine ships filled with female orcs setting sail to Maztica, a match makeing service for all the orcish widows on Faerun. :D That just smacks of Amn and would kill two birds with one stone for them (though it would potentially destabilize their maztican trade) and they could run a "indentured servitude" type program. Not that I find this likely, but it's a fun little thought.
Gargarios 08-03-07, 04:38 PM	Orcs on Maztica They are not native, in an day called the "Night of Wailing" a Maztican deity (perhaps working with Lolth) turned many of his followers into orcs, ogres and trolls. Were they punished for a reason? Or did the God want to just show his wrath?
Ioulaum 08-03-07, 05:38 PM	if i remeber it correctly (been a few years since i read it) thier was afraid of his borther coming back and stealing thier form him. So he transform his priest into trolls and the rest of his followers into ogres and orcs so that they can't change their worship.
Alac Luin 08-03-07, 05:45 PM	Were they punished for a reason? Or did the God want to just show his wrath? In game explanation: It was not a punishment, Orcs ogres, and trolls are a more savage fighters then the human form. The new forms were a reward for the loyal members of the particular cult (if 40,000 is actually a cult, but thats what they were called). It was a form better suited to the particular deity. Out of game speculation: It was an excuse to add a familiar element to the setting. A way to have the bad guys be something other then humans. I'll also say any connection I made to Lolth earlier is speculation and unsubstantiated. Lolth was active in the same area at the same time. She did turn a few drow into driders at the same time Zaltec changed his followers. The change in Zaltec's followers was instigated through an artifact that was in the hands of the Drow.
Ioulaum 08-03-07, 05:54 PM	Lloth turn all the dorw in Maztica into driders for Worshipping Zaltec.
Gargarios 08-03-07, 06:00 PM	Is there anyway that people from Fauren can worship Gods from Maztica? If so where could I find this info?
Ioulaum 08-03-07, 06:23 PM	in FR you can worship any god you want. The gods form Faerun is spreading thier religion in Maztica among the natives. You can always do a reverse if you want.
creyzi4zb12 08-04-07, 07:29 AM	LOL about the orc women on the ships going to Maztica. Maybe the orcs should create an imburnal or something, that way their breeding powers could be multiplied three folds. I could also imagine orc women entertaining weary beggars who don't have a penny left. Orc ***: "Make love wid me!! No price fer ya old timer!!" Surprisingly the beggars who have cataract are happy coz they get free women almost everyday. All they gotta do is go to "The Cave" ............ 82 year old beggar: Urrrghh you're too heavy miss. Orc ***: "That's the point!! Mwahahahaha!!"
1 ton ghost 08-04-07, 02:26 PM	zakhara is due south of the Shining South (map in FRCS towards back), very much like Dark Sun, Arabian-esque, think 1,001 Nights, etc. big deserts, occaisional oasis, sultans, caliphs, genies, efreet, camel cavalry (mamelukes), etc. they opened a portal long ago and the Bedine (indiginous ppl of Anauroch, ala "the Fremen" so so speak) are related to zakharans. the Shadovar don't really mess w/ them as they are beneath contempt but of course the bedine are pretty badass; routinely raid Zhent caravans across the black road, probably got ahold of lost Netherese ruins/magic/etc. the similiarities between this and Dune are probably more than a little coincidental... Maztica is cannibalized "new world" (cntrl & s. america) west of Amn's coast. they really ripped this off from the conquistadors, ie)priests of Helm i think. think isle of dread, sea-going adventure. plain vanilla tropical epic, dinosaurs, heathen gods, etc. i thought Chult and Tashalar would've sufficed, but... Kara Tur is basically a really big mongolia, way East of Thesk, Thay, but West of Shou Empire (think imperial china) etc. the Hordes/horselords are basically mongols, Genghis Kahn, etc. 2nd ed had novels, big alliance between cormyr, zhentil keep, etc. to wipe them out and of course, they did. relatively ungoverned, warlords here and there, lots of land, little of it liveable. i like to situate Rokugan (medieval fantasy japan) near/around Shou lands for added flare in Faerun. Toril is pretty big, so why not. Oriental Adventures pretty much sums it up, but i allow some of the regular races, elves and the like there even though traditionally Rokugan (Legend of the 5 Rings) is almost exclusively human. this helps pave the way for any samurais that may pop up in the Silver Marches, Wu Jen, etc. hope this helped as for the exploration theory and the arch mages, just because you discovered a new land mass doesn't mean you're willing to share those, among the other titan secrets you know w/ the rest of Faerun. most mages stay in power cuz' of a healthy degree of paranoia, why share your info when it will likely be used against you?
Lord Karsus 08-04-07, 06:09 PM	Kara Tur is basically a really big mongolia, way East of Thesk, Thay, but West of Shou Empire (think imperial china) etc. the Hordes/horselords are basically mongols, Genghis Kahn, etc. 2nd ed had novels, big alliance between cormyr, zhentil keep, etc. to wipe them out and of course, they did. relatively ungoverned, warlords here and there, lots of land, little of it liveable. -Incorrect.
Dark Wizard 08-04-07, 06:17 PM	Indeed. The area you equate with the Mongols is called the Hordelands. Kara-Tur is actually the area of the Shou.
Lord Karsus 08-04-07, 06:28 PM	Indeed. The area you equate with the Mongols is called the Hordelands. Kara-Tur is actually the area of the Shou. -Thank you. I meant to elaborate on that, but my computer froze. I was surprised that that post went through.
MerrikCale 08-05-07, 08:19 PM	I know someone (perhaps Eric Boyd) has said Anachrome would be an ideal place for an African theme even using the Njambe (I think that was the published campaign) as the setting