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avalonseer 10-30-07, 07:41 PM	Hello anyone willing to help me out :) I am trying to put together a game that is mainly taking place in Calimshan and while I have all of the 3.5 books I have very few 2nd Ed. supplements and there is my problem. All of the material I have for Calimshan and its people are great but while reading the 2nd Ed. Calimport book(got it from the wizards site) I noticed the naming of the NPC's.. with the "el" and "yr" prefixs to the last names. Does anyone have any of the old supplements that can take a look and let me know if those are "son of" "daughter of" or if they mean something else entirely and if they are based on the sex of the character at all :confused: Thanks to anyone who can help me out at all and I'll check back everyday :) (Sorry for any spelling problems, I suck lol)
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 10-30-07, 08:32 PM	Personally, I wouldn't worry about the "el" and the "yr", if it were me I'd just make an exotic-sounding name that I liked. I know that probably doesn't come off as being too helpful, but I don't think it's necessary to make the name sound too real-world Arabic/Persian/whatever. There are some sample names, I believe, in the 3E FRCS.
avalonseer 10-30-07, 08:39 PM	I dont mind making up the first and last names at all :) I do though like my games to be very story based and it helps to give the game a certain flavor if the NPC's have the sort of names that they would in that region.. Thank you though!
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 10-30-07, 08:46 PM	I dont mind making up the first and last names at all :) I do though like my games to be very story based and it helps to give the game a certain flavor if the NPC's have the sort of names that they would in that region.. Oh, I'm not saying not to care about giving the PCs a certain flavor. But I don't think one needs the real-worldish nomenclature to do it. That's just my opinion though, I find the "el" and "yr" to be confusing, not having been brought up using a language with that kind of nomenclature. Also, over time I've read many, many names of Calishites, and they are not all pseudo-Middle Eastern, nor do they all use "el" and "yr". Thank you though! You're welcome.:)
avalonseer 10-30-07, 08:51 PM	Very true! :) I think it is mostly the nobles of the region that tend to use them.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 10-30-07, 08:52 PM	Very true! :) I think it is mostly the nobles of the region that tend to use them. Possibly. Figure out how to use them (or, maybe someone who knows better than I on that subject can help you with that), or just leave them out, whatever you wish.:)
Mula 10-31-07, 01:33 AM	I Googled "Calishite names" and the first result was this. (http://goand.net/ro/w/Talk:Character_Creation_Guidelines_(2)) It's unofficial but looks nice. :)
Stigger 10-31-07, 02:36 AM	The link sounds pretty much like what it stated in Empires of the Shining Sea, except that it didn't include the 'yi' addition for last names, which basically translated to 'of', so that you could have a name like Nasir yi Almraiven, or Asfora yi Sharess, which was fairly common for priests to adopt as I recall.
Bullet06320 10-31-07, 04:33 AM	For Calshite names I would use Arabic names. That area is based on middle eastern culture
avalonseer 10-31-07, 09:17 AM	Thank you all so much!:D
Suin Bahhar 10-31-07, 11:09 AM	Artemis Entreri hails from Calimshan doesn't he? The name Entreri fits the area pretty good, sounding mediterranean but still pretty foreign to that as well.
Lord Karsus 10-31-07, 12:56 PM	-Though not exactly Calashite, the Arabian Adventures (Zakhara) Box Set has a little section about names. -Simply looking up Arabic/Turkish names could also work.
Lord Karsus 10-31-07, 12:57 PM	Artemis Entreri hails from Calimshan doesn't he? The name Entreri fits the area pretty good, sounding mediterranean but still pretty foreign to that as well. -Genetically/ethnically, he's not Calashite, which means that his family (and his surname) came from somewhere else.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 10-31-07, 01:11 PM	-Genetically/ethnically, he's not Calashite, which means that his family (and his surname) came from somewhere else. Are you sure about that? I could have sworn his mother, at least, was a native Calishite. And, if going by RotP, the man who is strongly implied to be his father is indeed his father, then said man was at least pretty well established in Calimshan.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 10-31-07, 01:14 PM	By the way, I'm not trying to say I think "Artemis" is a great name for a Calishite, much less any FR character. RAS has a penchant for strange, not particularly FR-ish names.
Lord Karsus 10-31-07, 01:26 PM	Are you sure about that? I could have sworn his mother, at least, was a native Calishite. And, if going by RotP, the man who is strongly implied to be his father is indeed his father, then said man was at least pretty well established in Calimshan. -Don't know, but if you just look at the guy, I fail to see any Calashite characteristics. Nor do I see any Calashite ethnic "quirks" (personal characteristics based on ethnicity- can't think of a better name).
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 10-31-07, 01:49 PM	-Don't know, but if you just look at the guy, I fail to see any Calashite characteristics. Nor do I see any Calashite ethnic "quirks" (personal characteristics based on ethnicity- can't think of a better name). I just chalk that up to Salvatore's writing. *shrug* I mean, this author created a Calishite pasha called "Pasha Pook".
Stigger 10-31-07, 03:49 PM	One does get the impression that he does like laughing under his hat at his readers at times... or a warped sense of the whimsical.
Lord Karsus 10-31-07, 05:58 PM	I just chalk that up to Salvatore's writing. *shrug* I mean, this author created a Calishite pasha called "Pasha Pook". -Pasha Pook (heh) at least had Calashite traits, characteristics and mannerisms in the short time we knew him, though. Know what I mean?
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 10-31-07, 09:00 PM	-Pasha Pook (heh) at least had Calashite traits, characteristics and mannerisms in the short time we knew him, though. Know what I mean? I think you're right...it's been so long since I read The Halfling's Gem that I barely remember him, though.:D
Mean Eyed Cat 10-31-07, 09:44 PM	-Genetically/ethnically, he's not Calashite, which means that his family (and his surname) came from somewhere else. Well, I know Wikipedia is not entirely the bastion of truthiness (thank you Mr. Colbert :D ), but according to his entry he was born & lived a few years of his childhood in Memnon, and raised & grew to adulthood in Calimport. However, I guess just because somebody is born and raised in one place doesn't necessarily mean that they have any ethnic/cutural ties to that area. His family could have been immigrants.
Mean Eyed Cat 10-31-07, 09:48 PM	<stupid double post> Edit. See this thread: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=813918
Passivearmada 11-02-07, 11:21 PM	-Don't know, but if you just look at the guy, I fail to see any Calashite characteristics. Nor do I see any Calashite ethnic "quirks" (personal characteristics based on ethnicity- can't think of a better name). I noticed that he had extremely tan skin (in contrast to my fair skin- no one listens when I say it's hereditary!), but ever since he consumed the life of a shade in the sirt story That Curious Sword, he's looked a little grayish.
1 ton ghost 11-03-07, 02:13 PM	given it's Alzhedo, it is a fairly close approximation to Arabic, Farsi, perhaps Pashtu. -watch CNN, read the paper, any periodical w/ namedropping from that "troubled region" we keep hearing about of late. i used this for a Calimshite sorcerer, "Salmed al'Sahid". -poke through historical references to the Crusades, Saladin, any Sacarean or Moorish allusions. something will pop up i'm sure they never really fleshed it out terribly, as Calimsham is kind of an amalgamation of erathen middle eastern culture. it kinda' smacks of the Ottoman Empire (turkish), but has decidedly Arabian and Persian roots as well. of course some kid gaming in Tehran is probably jumbling up cultural footnotes about Western Civ as we do of their's; confusing vikings, celts, saxxons etc. as your plain vanilla barbarian outlanders or other popular misconceptions. lost in the drift.
MarkusTay63 11-03-07, 02:39 PM	I was going to suggest that the mother took his name from her religion, which many people do. However, I remembered it incorrectly - I thought she worshipped Tymora, who was once part of Tyche. Tyche (Tymora/Beshaba) would probably have some old Greek-sounding names in her dogma (like Artemis), but since the woman worshipped Selune that throws my whole theory right out the window. Also, the selling of Indulgences - especially for Selune - seemed VERY out of place in the Realms.
Lord Karsus 11-03-07, 09:20 PM	Also, the selling of Indulgences - especially for Selune - seemed VERY out of place in the Realms. -Well, it made an interesting read.
Stigger 11-04-07, 10:44 AM	They introduced indulgences? Bah...
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 11-04-07, 06:52 PM	They introduced indulgences? Bah... Yes.:rolleyes: I have to agree with Markus that it didn't make much sense in a Realms story, even if overall the story was pretty good. Reminds me of the more recent "CCC".
Stigger 11-04-07, 07:18 PM	One wonders if the author realized the actual history behind indulgences, and what they helped lead to in the Roman Catholic Church...
1 ton ghost 11-04-07, 07:59 PM	yes, helping them realize such limited vision... cannibalizing Martin Luther and the Reformation in the Catholic Church has been exceedingly popular through the ages. so much for originality.
The Ubbergeek 11-06-07, 01:55 AM	Indulgences MAKE sense... Depending on the cult. Really, like Mask...
Stigger 11-06-07, 01:57 AM	Sure, for Mask, or maybe some really mercenary clergy of Waukeen, but Selune? Hell, I can't even see Banites doing it...
MarkusTay63 11-06-07, 03:40 PM	BTW, it was VERY RC Church Stig... VERY. :( In fact, it may have even gone as far as Jim Jones and his CULT, with underage girls 'sevicing' priests so that the priests would be 'freed' from worldly concerns and "better able to tend their flock". Or women paying for their 'indulgences' with their bodies. :yuck: All in the name of Selune, no less....
Lord Karsus 11-06-07, 04:21 PM	In fact, it may have even gone as far as Jim Jones and his CULT, with underage girls 'sevicing' priests so that the priests would be 'freed' from worldly concerns and "better able to tend their flock". -That's exactly what happened in the novel.
Stigger 11-06-07, 04:52 PM	Yet one more gaping reason why Novels should be utterly divorced from canon...
Lord Karsus 11-06-07, 07:30 PM	Yet one more gaping reason why Novels should be utterly divorced from canon... -Not as long as I am a sundered aspect of a mighty archmage! :P -I know that I've said this over and over, but sourcebooks (no matter how specific they are) can only go into so much detail about any given subject. Novels further flesh things out, and breathe life into the Realms. The fact that...certain authors and/or designers and/or businessmen want certain things to happen that are not always coherent with the way things should be shouldn't detract from the 90% of the other novels, which don't do this.
Stigger 11-07-07, 04:40 PM	Sorry, can't quite get behind the thought... probably why I don't bother with most novels though. :P
1 ton ghost 11-08-07, 11:01 AM	selunites condon (or will condon) the sale of indulgences? wtf? that's heretical, even for CG faiths. i know i mentioned martin luther before. you know where this is going... i guess i don't see why. they have a huge faith. it's almost the state religion in Silverymoon and is widely accepted in many many locales. even if it weren't, many would pay homage to her to ward off Shar and what she represents. how are they hurting for cash? perhaps another motivation? i guess they're just grooming Shar for bigger and better things given her murder of Mystra (w/ a little help anyway). ironic that this started under a Calishite thread where she is widely revered.
Lord Karsus 11-08-07, 01:16 PM	Sorry, can't quite get behind the thought... probably why I don't bother with most novels though. :P -Well, you're you and I'm me. I won't try to force my beliefs on you, Stig.
Stigger 11-08-07, 03:07 PM	Heh, wouldn't work anyway... my wife would get murderous for the competition. :D I won't go into the rest of my thoughts on indulgences... suffice to say I think it's probably the worst idea I've yet heard for religion in the Realms. Even worse than this whole little Divine Melodrama with Try, Helm, and Tymora.
Storm_Silverhand 11-08-07, 04:05 PM	Heya, In fact, it may have even gone as far as Jim Jones and his CULT, with underage girls 'sevicing' priests so that the priests would be 'freed' from worldly concerns and "better able to tend their flock". -That's exactly what happened in the novel. Hang on a second, which novel is this?!
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 11-08-07, 04:12 PM	Heya, Hang on a second, which novel is this?! Road of the Patriarch, by R. A. Salvatore. Check it out.;)
Stigger 11-08-07, 05:10 PM	Well named then I see... yet another reason to avoid RAS...
MarkusTay63 11-08-07, 05:34 PM	Did anyone else feel the ending of the main story was 'rushed'? I would have preferred more about what happened in the Bloodstone Lands. He built-up this big story in the previous book, and then rushed to finish it just so he could get Artemis back to Calimshan. It was like he was trying to fit two seperate novels into one book - it was weird. Maybe WotC wouldn't let him do the Calimsham one, so he 'forced it' into the last few chapters of the other book he was supposed to do? It just all felt very 'wrong' to me... :confused:
Lord Karsus 11-08-07, 07:28 PM	Heh, wouldn't work anyway... my wife would get murderous for the competition. :D -That's right, that's right. And, we've already established that I don't want to mess with She-Stigger. Did anyone else feel the ending of the main story was 'rushed'? -Agreed. -Jarlaxle was like, "Yep, we have a foothold in the area now. Could come in handy. Well, come on Entreri, Athrogate, Kimmulriel...What? Artemis, you hate me, and will kill me if we ever cross paths? Well, fare the well. Come on, Kimmuriel, Athrogate..." -The End.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 11-08-07, 08:50 PM	Did anyone else feel the ending of the main story was 'rushed'? Yeah, it was.
Gray Richardson 11-08-07, 09:49 PM	Below is a list of names from various sources that I keep. F stands for female, M indicates a Male name, and L = Last name, while Tribe indicates a Tribal Name. I included Bedine names because they are distantly related to the Calishites, they speak a dialiect of Midani, I believe, the language of Zakhara, which is also the parent tongue (along with Auran) of Alzhedo. Atala F Alzhedo Ceidil F Alzhedo Hama F Alzhedo Jasmal F Alzhedo Meilil F Alzhedo Seipora F Alzhedo Yasheira F Alzhedo Zasheida F Alzhedo Basha L Alzhedo Dumein L Alzhedo Jassan L Alzhedo Khalid L Alzhedo Mostana L Alzhedo Pashar L Alzhedo Rein L Alzhedo Aseir M Alzhedo Bardeid M Alzhedo Haseid M Alzhedo Khemed M Alzhedo Mehmen M Alzhedo Rahimat M Alzhedo Sudeiman M Alzhedo Zasheir M Alzhedo Abala F Bedine Aglayia F Bedine Alethra F Bedine Bujauna F Bedine Dajala F Bedine Dizsa F Bedine Duthrala F Bedine Fiiriia F Bedine Ilyouma F Bedine Kalastiira F Bedine Lajarama F Bedine Nathla F Bedine Qoha'dar F Bedine Rahalat F Bedine Ruha F Bedine Saalariira F Bedine Shalira F Bedine Tuibaila F Bedine Vayess F Bedine Yamala F Bedine Ajaman M Bedine Al'Aif M Bedine Assam M Bedine Bhadla M Bedine Dahalzel M Bedine Dawasir M Bedine Didaji M Bedine Farim M Bedine Haushi M Bedine Kabina M Bedine Kadumi M Bedine Musalim M Bedine Nata M Bedine Rahid M Bedine Rata M Bedine Sa'ar M Bedine Sabhkat M Bedine Utaiba M Bedine Yatagan M Bedine Zarad M Bedine Alaii Tribe Bedine Artrinn Ruabi Tribe Bedine Bai Kabor Tribe Bedine Bait Mahwa Tribe Bedine Binwabi Tribe Bedine Bordjia Tribe Bedine Clelarra Tribe Bedine Dakawa Tribe Bedine Dursalai Tribe Bedine Felfaarin Tribe Bedine Goldor Tribe Bedine Iriphawa Tribe Bedine Ju'ur Dai Tribe Bedine Kellordrai Tribe Bedine Llalajar Tribe Bedine Mahlajai Tribe Bedine Mtair Dhafir Tribe Bedine Qahtan Tribe Bedine Raz'hadi Tribe Bedine Ruwaldi Tribe Bedine Shremala Tribe Bedine Ulaarjar Tribe Bedine Yethtai Tribe Bedine Zazalaar Tribe Bedine Abiya F Calishite Adiva F Calishite Amber F Calishite Ara F Calishite Asfora F Calishite Baraka F Calishite Bitisib F Calishite Catahra F Calishite Fadila F Calishite Farija F Calishite Hala F Calishite Iamar F Calishite Kadila F Calishite Mariam F Calishite Melek F Calishite Meriel F Calishite Munaa F Calishite Nada F Calishite Nureh F Calishite Oma F Calishite Rabi F Calishite Saida F Calishite Samar F Calishite Sarsora F Calishite Sbira F Calishite Shunnari F Calishite Tarub F Calishite Thuravya F Calishite Zahrah F Calishite Zenobia F Calishite Aban M Calishite Abbakar M Calishite Abbas M Calishite Abon M Calishite Amun M Calishite Asraf M Calishite bllus M Calishite Butrys M Calishite Daud M Calishite Fahd M Calishite Faruk M Calishite Hakiim M Calishite Harun M Calishite Hassan M Calishite Jabal M Calishite Jafar M Calishite Kadar M Calishite Kalil M Calishite Kharyi M Calishite Malik M Calishite Maryn M Calishite Muham M Calishite Nadim M Calishite Nur M Calishite Saibh M Calishite Sarsor M Calishite Tahyr M Calishite Tasyn M Calishite Yusuf M Calishite
Lord Karsus 11-08-07, 11:06 PM	-Oh, the novel Star of Cursrah (Sp?) takes place in Calimshan's past and present, containing within a whole bunch of Calashite names as well as an excellent, and underrated story.
Storm_Silverhand 11-09-07, 05:55 AM	Heya, Road of the Patriarch, by R. A. Salvatore. Check it out.;) I knew there was a reason why I didn't like RAS. The way he names his characters is just one of the symptoms of the problem. But I'm not going to go into detail, since that would probably go against the code of conduct for the forums.
Lord Karsus 11-09-07, 12:02 PM	I knew there was a reason why I didn't like RAS. The way he names his characters is just one of the symptoms of the problem. But I'm not going to go into detail, since that would probably go against the code of conduct for the forums. -Say no more. I'm sure that 75% of us know exactly what you are alluding to.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 11-09-07, 01:17 PM	-Say no more. I'm sure that 75% of us know exactly what you are alluding to. Indeed, that's correct.:)
Stigger 11-09-07, 03:42 PM	Yes... doubtful it'd be much worse than blistering my ears took at the hands of my wife exploding when she heard that... no RAS left in the house actually. Seriously, she tossed it all. :blink:
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 11-09-07, 04:05 PM	Yes... doubtful it'd be much worse than blistering my ears took at the hands of my wife exploding when she heard that... no RAS left in the house actually. Seriously, she tossed it all. :blink: Really? :rofl:
MarkusTay63 11-09-07, 05:19 PM	I guess it's a good thing that my wife can't read... :rolleyes:
Stigger 11-09-07, 06:12 PM	Deadly serious... thought she was gonna try to set it on fire for a few minutes. No joke there.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 11-09-07, 07:01 PM	Deadly serious... thought she was gonna try to set it on fire for a few minutes. No joke there. It's damn funny, though! :rofl:
Lord Karsus 11-09-07, 07:24 PM	Deadly serious... thought she was gonna try to set it on fire for a few minutes. No joke there. -Ladies and gentlemen, this is why I, Karsus, Mage of Mages, Wizard of Wizards, fear She-Stigger. -Though, I can understand where she is coming from. In a few days, I am going to burn my Mets cap, in a sacrifice to appease the baseball gods.
MarkusTay63 11-09-07, 08:15 PM	Go Dodgers. :P
Stigger 11-10-07, 05:46 PM	Everyone who knows her fears her... except my best friend, who is just as scary. Probably why I used to date her though... which says something about me, even if I'm not really certain I want to think about what.
Lord Karsus 11-11-07, 05:44 PM	Go Dodgers. :P -Only if they were still in Brooklyn...:( ...which says something about me, even if I'm not really certain I want to think about what. -You need protection?
Stigger 11-11-07, 06:30 PM	Yeah, could be. :D Either that or I have a stronger masochistic streak than even I thought I did...
Lord Karsus 11-11-07, 06:34 PM	Either that or I have a stronger masochistic streak than even I thought I did... -Well, either way, you're happy now (I assume).
Stigger 11-11-07, 06:57 PM	I was happy then... I'm always happy, unless I'm sad, in which case someone dies, and then I'm happy again... yep, just me in my own little happy place... yes.