Post/Author/DateTime	Post
ExtinctionBeta 10-18-07, 10:19 PM	I know this seems like a waste of time to most of you. But I would like to know just for reasoning of opinion on my own. They are basically the same in terms of skill even though Drizzt has won every fight until somone intervined.I wanted a semi poll of your more favorite of the two. I have heard many people say they hate Drizzt but respect him as a character and others hardcore Drow fanboys. The only Drow I even consider decent is Jarlaxell, all though he is merciful to everyone and anyone. And I am sure many of you will argue he is a oprritunist. Drizzt or Artemis..I appreciate the post in the future even though many of you dont care. I for one, like Artemis and he is my favorite character in the realms next to Sazz Tam.
Mars2686 10-18-07, 10:44 PM	I love Drizzt. But, first off, I disagree that he's one every fight. I mean, the original fight Artemis got away with both Regis and Guenhwyvar... Score one for Artemis. Also, when Drizzt was kidnapped and forced to fight, Artemis could have easily killed him. Sure Drizzt didn't want to fight, but that's besides the point. Artemis also tends to dull his skills down at times to make the fight more interesting, he tends to be less focused on killing Drizzt. Artemis has gotten past drizzt's defenses quite a few times in normal combat, but he allows the battle to continue. Don't get me wrong, Drizzt, of course, preforms brilliantly, but they are mostly equal in fighting skills. Also, they have not fought in quite a while. Don't forget that Artemis now wields Charon's Claw. All he'd have to do now is nick Drizzt on the arm and say "bye bye." And Artemis tends to draw first blood. That being said, if we were to take away magical items, I still think Artemis would win, as Artemis rarely used them against Drizzt while Drizzt had magical bracers. Two amazing swords. etc. Right now, I think, if they both honestly wanted to kill each other, Artemis would be the victory. Most likely not by much. Although I wouldn't be surprised if Drizzt won.
creyzi4zb12 10-18-07, 11:28 PM	Poohiee..Drizzt got beat by Obould. Obould better than Drizzt coz 'es a king Drizzt too sallow in 'is opinion for Obouldz. Now 'es regrettin it and siding wid d orcz Obould'z traps get Drizzt all the time (but d drow escapez tho') Obould killz da stupid elf in second book of Hunter Bladez Obould'z a great rulerz coz 'e united dwarf and orc nations Obould beat huge angry ogre in OrcKing Obould never lost a fay bafore Obould beat Drizzt once and Drizzt didn't coz 'e ran away Obould!! Obould!! Obould!! Obould!! :evillaugh:
ExtinctionBeta 10-19-07, 10:47 AM	Artemis won vs Drizzt in the silent blade? Did you not read the novel? He had a sword to his neck telling him that he should kill him but spared Artemis. Then after the Drow interfering, Drizzt was defeated. I do not know how you came the the conclusion that Artemis won that fight for even Drizzt clearly admitted in his diary of gayness, that he beat Artemis. Plus you have to factor in that, Drizzt's skill does not decrease with age, but on the contrare only increases. Where Artemis is getting slower and less agile. But I can guarntee that if Artemis had a few centuries on his back, like Drizzt does...Drizzt would be no more than some peasant in terms of skill. Drizzt is hundreads of somthing years old, Artemis is in his froties...and he rvials that of Drizzt. You can never beat time...and factor in that Artemis does not specialize in just close combat as Drizzt does..he is a assasin in shadows..if everything could be prepaired for the two as they saw fit...Artemis would undoublty have the upperhand of suprise to that of attacking from the shadows. But then again, if we do see Artemis again, and if they do fight, Salvantore is sure to make it a super even battle that is barely won. Once again fantasy novels are indeed fantasy for they do not relate to terms of a realistic setting and logic to what would actually happen if such situations such as these were to occur. Meaning, you will never see a hero slip and fall off a cliff by accident and thats the end of him/her. I sure you will tell me because it would be distastful to most readers, but at the same time you would enjoy reading because of unperdictablilty and not knowing or being able to guess the outcome of anything.
ExtinctionBeta 10-19-07, 12:39 PM	Poohiee..Drizzt got beat by Obould. Obould better than Drizzt coz 'es a king Drizzt too sallow in 'is opinion for Obouldz. Now 'es regrettin it and siding wid d orcz Obould'z traps get Drizzt all the time (but d drow escapez tho') Obould killz da stupid elf in second book of Hunter Bladez Obould'z a great rulerz coz 'e united dwarf and orc nations Obould beat huge angry ogre in OrcKing Obould never lost a fay bafore Obould beat Drizzt once and Drizzt didn't coz 'e ran away Obould!! Obould!! Obould!! Obould!! :evillaugh: Aside from the fact that you forget he had his Orc Deity helping him. If Drizzt was helped from Lolth, it would be a different story. Not to mention how many orcs Drizzt HUNTED down and took a crap on thier face.
ADSKINNER 10-19-07, 01:21 PM	Artemis won vs Drizzt in the silent blade? Did you not read the novel? He had a sword to his neck telling him that he should kill him but spared Artemis. Then after the Drow interfering, Drizzt was defeated. I do not know how you came the the conclusion that Artemis won that fight for even Drizzt clearly admitted in his diary of gayness, that he beat Artemis. Plus you have to factor in that, Drizzt's skill does not decrease with age, but on the contrare only increases. Where Artemis is getting slower and less agile. But I can guarntee that if Artemis had a few centuries on his back, like Drizzt does...Drizzt would be no more than some peasant in terms of skill. Drizzt is hundreads of somthing years old, Artemis is in his froties...and he rvials that of Drizzt. You can never beat time...and factor in that Artemis does not specialize in just close combat as Drizzt does..he is a assasin in shadows..if everything could be prepaired for the two as they saw fit...Artemis would undoublty have the upperhand of suprise to that of attacking from the shadows. But then again, if we do see Artemis again, and if they do fight, Salvantore is sure to make it a super even battle that is barely won. Once again fantasy novels are indeed fantasy for they do not relate to terms of a realistic setting and logic to what would actually happen if such situations such as these were to occur. Meaning, you will never see a hero slip and fall off a cliff by accident and thats the end of him/her. I sure you will tell me because it would be distastful to most readers, but at the same time you would enjoy reading because of unperdictablilty and not knowing or being able to guess the outcome of anything. Drizzt's like 70 or 80 isn't he?
ExtinctionBeta 10-19-07, 01:33 PM	Drizzt's like 70 or 80 isn't he? No. What source do you deter that from? Myabe somewhere in the Legend of Drizzt novels when his character was first created?
dethmetal 10-19-07, 01:34 PM	Drizzt's like 70 or 80 isn't he? i'm not positive but i think he's in the early half of his second century of life, around 120 or so. That's just a guess though i don't recall him ever putting a number to his age in any of the books. Also Artemis FTW in my oppinion. I was never a huge fan until the sell swords trilogy Artemis killing the draco-lich with that breath weapon trinket was one of the best fights i've read in a while.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 10-19-07, 01:43 PM	Drizzt is in his mid-to-late seventies, or early eighties. He was 120 or so in the first printing of The Crystal Shard, but that age was later retconned to make Drizzt younger.
ExtinctionBeta 10-19-07, 01:44 PM	i'm not positive but i think he's in the early half of his second century of life, around 120 or so. That's just a guess though i don't recall him ever putting a number to his age in any of the books. Also Artemis FTW in my oppinion. I was never a huge fan until the sell swords trilogy Artemis killing the draco-lich with that breath weapon trinket was one of the best fights i've read in a while. [/spoiler] Yeah and Jarlaxell cowarded out on him, and what happened? Artemis kicked the Dracolich's ass. [/spoiler] You got guys like Drizzt who save a few gnomes and halflings and kill a few farie tale harry potter snow giants that walks around with a 600 pound fat ass cat. Then you got guys like Artemis who take down [/spoiler] kingdowns and Dragons and liches(by the way, all the sellswords novels included him taking down some dragon of a sort. [/spoiler] Artemis even figures out Jarlaxell from time to time where as you have Drizzt that lets some Giant that is tricking his party follow him around and gives him a chance to be a good guy. Kinda shows you the differnce in intelligence (Silent blade)
ExtinctionBeta 10-19-07, 01:47 PM	Drizzt is in his mid-to-late seventies, or early eighties. He was 120 or so in the first printing of The Crystal Shard, but that age was later retconned to make Drizzt younger. Who do you like better? Drizzt or Artemis..since you posted on the topic I would like your opinion please. ADSKINNER and creyzi4zb12 as well BTW Red or Lord, I forget but your spoiler thing didn't work. Perhaps no spaces or I typed it wrong? I will fix it when I know how...sorry for spoilers in advance.
Red_Wizard 10-19-07, 02:27 PM	Take out the "/" in the first "[spoiler]". You are closing the code twice by leaving it in, making it unknown. It should be [ spoiler] bob [/ spoiler], minus the spaces I added at the start.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 10-19-07, 02:36 PM	Who do you like better? Drizzt or Artemis..since you posted on the topic I would like your opinion please. I have the feeling that's a loaded question.
nefestous 10-19-07, 02:36 PM	Poohiee..Drizzt got beat by Obould. Obould better than Drizzt coz 'es a king Drizzt too sallow in 'is opinion for Obouldz. Now 'es regrettin it and siding wid d orcz Obould'z traps get Drizzt all the time (but d drow escapez tho') Obould killz da stupid elf in second book of Hunter Bladez Obould'z a great rulerz coz 'e united dwarf and orc nations Obould beat huge angry ogre in OrcKing Obould never lost a fay bafore Obould beat Drizzt once and Drizzt didn't coz 'e ran away Obould!! Obould!! Obould!! Obould!! :evillaugh: It hurts my head to read this. First things first, I thought this was about Artemis and Drizzt This is also very much inaccurate, unless you've been reading the orc version of some of these books. I do agree that Obould in his current state can and would beat Drizzt, but it is not because he is king, its because he went through a ritual that effectively permanently upgraded him. He was able to throw around a frost giant. Trying to say it has always been like this is to ignore the last time these two met. I recall a particular battle where Drizzt and a particular Blind ranger along with some animal companions, were able fight back an orc invasion that was orchastrated by Obould. At that time I recall Obould doing his best impression of Jessie Owens, and Running. I would say more, but I may need a translation of "sallow".
dethmetal 10-19-07, 02:57 PM	Yeah and Jarlaxell cowarded out on him, and what happened? Artemis kicked the Dracolich's ass. You got guys like Drizzt who save a few gnomes and halflings and kill a few farie tale harry potter snow giants that walks around with a 600 pound fat ass cat. Then you got guys like Artemis who take down kingdowns and Dragons and liches(by the way, all the sellswords novels included him taking down some dragon of a sort. Artemis even figures out Jarlaxell from time to time where as you have Drizzt that lets some Giant that is tricking his party follow him around and gives him a chance to be a good guy. Kinda shows you the differnce in intelligence (Silent blade) 1. how are snowgiants a harry potter, anything, snowgiants were around before the potter books, and i don't see a single thing about them that makes them "harry potter" like. 2. it's a panther not a 600lb fat ass cat, never in the description of gwenyvarr is she described at fat, rather she's ussually described as an all muscle killing machine, like most big cats are. 3.?????? Artemis didn't take down a kingdom, that was all Jarlaxel's plan and doing, Artemis was just a pawn in the plan for the most part. Even in killing the draco-lich, which was an amazing feat, he used a tool jarlaxel had given to him in the first place. 4. Profit!
Phelf_Der_Zemit 10-19-07, 03:51 PM	1) Artimis and the drow were usually even matched, and artimis did all but win their last encounter, though he had psi help. 2) I like Artimis better, because as Beta always yells about, the good guys when alot, with artimis it's nice because he thinks like a bad buy, he may not follow through with some of it but you see the world from an assassin's point of view. also he has way cooler weapons, just wish he had more magical aperial, like a nifty little eyepatch...
Zaggotzoo 10-19-07, 04:43 PM	QUESTION! Are we talking about pre-Charon's Claw/That Curious Sword Artemis or post-Charon's Claw/That Curious Sword Artemis? That Curious Sword spoiler: In That Curious Sword Artemis drains the life/soul of a Shadovar who was after Charon's Claw (The Netherese artifact sword from Servant of the Shard) and is infused with shadow stuff, making him just as fast/tough if not tougher as he was younger, hinting as well as to extending his lifespan). Barring outside help, I think Drizzt and Artemis were both equal in skill pre-Charon's Claw/That Curious Sword, since Drizzt was only able to win the duel in the crystal tower because of a fluke/random chance (chaos? blessing of Lolth maybe winkwink!?). From The Silent Blade, after Drizzt won the duel: "So what have we proven?" the drow demanded. "Because my head connected in a favorable place with yours, limiting your vision, I am the better fighter?" Post-Charon's Claw/That Curious Sword, I'd have to say Artemis would be the victor in a straight up fight if they ever duel again. Charon's Claw gives Artemis enough edge to win. Out of which character I like better, I'd have to say Artemis, but that may be because I found Road of the Patriarch a much better novel/story than The Orc King.
creyzi4zb12 10-20-07, 05:59 AM	Who do you like better? Drizzt or Artemis..since you posted on the topic I would like your opinion please. ADSKINNER and creyzi4zb12 as well BTW Red or Lord, I forget but your spoiler thing didn't work. Perhaps no spaces or I typed it wrong? I will fix it when I know how...sorry for spoilers in advance. That is right. And the buff Obould got is also permanent...In other words. There is no way in HELL Drizzt could beat an orc with god given buffs.
18DELTA 10-21-07, 11:02 AM	Drizzt = munchkin!!!:D Artimis = awesome!!!:D But Erevis Cale = Ftw!!!:D ;) :P My:twocents:
ExtinctionBeta 10-21-07, 12:13 PM	That is right. And the buff Obould got is also permanent...In other words. There is no way in HELL Drizzt could beat an orc with god given buffs. Look at what you quoted and then what answer you gave. I think you misquoted one of my post by mistake.
ExtinctionBeta 10-21-07, 12:15 PM	Drizzt = munchkin!!!:D Artimis = awesome!!!:D But Erevis Cale = Ftw!!!:D ;) :P My:twocents: I don't think Cale could be described in a battle between Artemis or Drizzr because Paul Kemp lacks the "sword description" battles. He talks about rivens battles with a "Flashes of sword play", or cale doing a thrust. Where as salvantore has chapters devoted to sword play. I guess PaulKemp is a fairly new author to forgotten realms and has some time to get better.
Sol_Odlanier 10-21-07, 02:10 PM	- I rather play SoulCalubur before reading a WHOLE chapter of sworsplay I like Kemp's style. But this is not the place to talk about that. What's gonna happen with Artemis in 4E, he IS human right?:confused:
Puritan13 10-21-07, 02:24 PM	- I rather play SoulCalubur before reading a WHOLE chapter of sworsplay I like Kemp's style. But this is not the place to talk about that. What's gonna happen with Artemis in 4E, he IS human right?:confused: Maybe not, after the events in That Curious Sword.
Sol_Odlanier 10-21-07, 02:29 PM	Maybe not, after the events in That Curious Sword. I don't know how you guys can keep up with all the novels and stuff.....:ton:
Puritan13 10-21-07, 02:38 PM	I don't know how you guys can keep up with all the novels and stuff.....:ton: The only reason I know of that one is because I devour any and all things Artemis Entreri. That sounded dirty... ewww...
Sol_Odlanier 10-21-07, 02:45 PM	The only reason I know of that one is because I devour any and all things Artemis Entreri. That sounded dirty... ewww... :confused: Dirty is a understatement.:yuck:
GothicDan 10-21-07, 05:03 PM	I'd say "hot," but Artemis is old.
ExtinctionBeta 10-21-07, 05:49 PM	I'd say "hot," but Artemis is old. dude wtf...? Keep that **** to yourself Can anyone clarify why That Curious Sword would make Artemis anything other than human? Is it because of the shade in his dagger? So would he be like a shade from the Twilight war?
GothicDan 10-21-07, 06:44 PM	dude wtf...? Keep that **** to yourself As soon as you somehow similarly tell everyone else to never make any comedic innuendos about women, then I'll take your statement as something more than garbage, sir. Not a homophobe my faerie elf ass.
Puritan13 10-21-07, 08:25 PM	As soon as you somehow similarly tell everyone else to never make any comedic innuendos about women, then I'll take your statement as something more than garbage, sir. Not a homophobe my faerie elf ass.I found your statement quite amusing. I'm not homosexual, nor am I a homophobe. I think Extinctionbeta might be both. You know what they say about those that react in such a way to homosexuality... they're fabulousssss!
Puritan13 10-21-07, 08:32 PM	dude wtf...? Keep that **** to yourself Can anyone clarify why That Curious Sword would make Artemis anything other than human? Is it because of the shade in his dagger? So would he be like a shade from the Twilight war?Well, the outward physical change is evident from Jarlaxle's remark. I'd go so far as to say that 'ol Arty will discover more and more abilities as time moves on (and he has time to experiment). Just my theory. Others theorize that he only gained Netherese ancestry. Most Shadovar are normal humans, it's only the exceptional individuals that gain the benefits of the Shade template. But Artemis's dagger sucked enough of the shadow stuff to change his skin tone. And it was a full fledged shade he killed as well. I wouldn't put it past RAS to change Artemis into a shade. I think it would kick a bit of ass to boot.
Alediran 10-22-07, 09:15 AM	I found your statement quite amusing. I'm not homosexual, nor am I a homophobe. I think Extinctionbeta might be both. You know what they say about those that react in such a way to homosexuality... they're fabulousssss! :rofl:
Rauric 10-22-07, 12:33 PM	I don't think Cale could be described in a battle between Artemis or Drizzr because Paul Kemp lacks the "sword description" battles. He talks about rivens battles with a "Flashes of sword play", or cale doing a thrust. Where as salvantore has chapters devoted to sword play. I guess PaulKemp is a fairly new author to forgotten realms and has some time to get better. I am glad the battles scenes are at a minimal. RAS' are two drawn out, I usually skip to the dialouge after a while.
ExtinctionBeta 10-22-07, 12:37 PM	<snip> I asked who everyone liked better <snip>. GothicDan...who do you like better if you would not mind answering (please don't go off subject again for I will not give a response)
ExtinctionBeta 10-22-07, 01:08 PM	Ok granted...you are right. I am only frustrated because everytime I post and stay on subject I end up getting bashed. I clearly stated for him to keep thoughts off subject to himself and I get bashed for it. So my apologies then GothicDan, I will refrain from speaking ill of your own personal perspective on life for that is your buisness and none of mine. If you don't mind....which of these 2 characters do you more favor?
Puritan13 10-22-07, 01:18 PM	Ok granted...you are right. I am only frustrated because everytime I post and stay on subject I end up getting bashed. I clearly stated for him to keep thoughts off subject to himself and I get bashed for it. So my apologies then GothicDan, I will refrain from speaking ill of your own personal perspective on life for that is your buisness and none of mine. If you don't mind....which of these 2 characters do you more favor?<snip> On topic: For me, it's Artemis... by a hair.
ExtinctionBeta 10-22-07, 01:22 PM	I wish there was some sort of actual offical poll of favorable characters. Do you think Hypothectically, if Artemis was more popular than Drizzt, Salvantore would let Artemis win? Or maybe his own peronal Bias would be conflicting? I just can't imagine either one of them killing each other, for I have gone accustom to them fighting 5 times and never dieing.
Puritan13 10-22-07, 01:28 PM	I wish there was some sort of actual offical poll of favorable characters. Do you think Hypothectically, if Artemis was more popular than Drizzt, Salvantore would let Artemis win? Or maybe his own peronal Bias would be conflicting? I just can't imagine either one of them killing each other, for I have gone accustom to them fighting 5 times and never dieing.Just because a fight ends without one of the participants dying, doesn't mean there wasn't a clear victor. They have both, at one point or another clearly beaten the other. Hell, Drizzt was as good as dead the last time they fought. The circumstances of that fight don't matter. The end result, Artemis standing, Drizzt lying on the ground bleeding out, does.
ExtinctionBeta 10-22-07, 02:00 PM	Just because a fight ends without one of the participants dying, doesn't mean there wasn't a clear victor. They have both, at one point or another clearly beaten the other. Hell, Drizzt was as good as dead the last time they fought. The circumstances of that fight don't matter. The end result, Artemis standing, Drizzt lying on the ground bleeding out, does. With the help of another Drow of course...and Drizzt clearly won that battle. And this is not a biast remark for anyone who knows me, knows I dispise Drizzt.
Blibbering_Humdinger 10-22-07, 02:02 PM	I don't hold either character as being better than the other. They're both awesome in their own special ways; Drizzt, I think, is the epitome of the image of adventurous hero, being one who has conquered a dark past that would have claimed or corrupted many; who thinks as well as he fights. But he is also human--and as evidenced by the Hunter's Blades Trilogy, can fall prey to his own anger as brutally as the next man. And I love how introspective he is--the "Musings of a Drow Ranger" essays are always interesting. Like I say, he thinks as well as he fights. Artemis Entreri, on the other hand, is an awesome anti-hero/villain. At first he wasn't much more than a rival for Drizzt, and that was good enough for me at the time, but with the addition of The Silent Blade and the Sellswords trilogy, he's become more his own character rather than a simple foil for the hero. He's a turtle in a shell, and Jarlaxle's attempt to coax him out with Idalia's flute made for some interesting character development. Overall, I love Artemis Entreri's attitude, resourcefulness, and sheer badass factor. The two characters tie, in my humble opinion. I know that Road of the Patriarch was supposed to be Entreri's swansong, but still, I'd love to read more about him (not to mention Jarlaxle, who despite being a walking bag of deus ex machinas, has a certain charm that I can't deny).
Blibbering_Humdinger 10-22-07, 02:04 PM	Just because a fight ends without one of the participants dying, doesn't mean there wasn't a clear victor. They have both, at one point or another clearly beaten the other. Hell, Drizzt was as good as dead the last time they fought. The circumstances of that fight don't matter. The end result, Artemis standing, Drizzt lying on the ground bleeding out, does. Only because Kimmuriel stepped in, which essentially screws up any fair comparison of their respective skills. Entreri was at a disadvantage, though, and had Kimmuriel not stepped in, Entreri would have lost.
ExtinctionBeta 10-22-07, 02:07 PM	The two characters tie, in my humble opinion. I know that Road of the Patriarch was supposed to be Entreri's swansong, but still, I'd love to read more about him (not to mention Jarlaxle, who despite being a walking bag of deus ex machinas, has a certain charm that I can't deny). What is a swangsong? Do you think Salvantore will let either of them kill each other? We all know Artemis isn't dead...if Wulfgar brough an uprising to being brough back from death...and that is his least popular character...there is no way fans will let Artemis go. I am starting to think more people like Artemis more than Drizzt...and for all the people you know who love drizzt...see if thier opinion hasn't changed after the sellsword series. I wonder if Salvantore would take notice to somthing like that?
ExtinctionBeta 10-22-07, 02:08 PM	Only because Kimmuriel stepped in, which essentially screws up any fair comparison of their respective skills. Entreri was at a disadvantage, though, and had Kimmuriel not stepped in, Entreri would have lost. How was he at a disadvantage? I remember he had time to prepair and chosing the wepon he so desired long before Drizzt entered.
Puritan13 10-22-07, 02:15 PM	Only because Kimmuriel stepped in, which essentially screws up any fair comparison of their respective skills. Entreri was at a disadvantage, though, and had Kimmuriel not stepped in, Entreri would have lost.As I said, the circumstances of the fight don't matter. Artemis standing, Drizzt lying and bleeding.
Puritan13 10-22-07, 02:16 PM	What is a swangsong?His last hurrah. He ain't gonna be written about nomore, son.
ExtinctionBeta 10-22-07, 02:19 PM	His last hurrah. He ain't gonna be written about nomore, son. That is offical? As I said...if Wulfgar dying made Salvantore bring him back into writting...there is no way fans will let Artemis go to waste.
Puritan13 10-22-07, 02:22 PM	That is offical? As I said...if Wulfgar dying made Salvantore bring him back into writting...there is no way fans will let Artemis go to waste.I know of no official source that states there will be no more novels about Artemis. I was really just trying to help you understand the term "swansong".
ExtinctionBeta 10-22-07, 02:30 PM	I know of no official source that states there will be no more novels about Artemis. I was really just trying to help you understand the term "swansong". So if an uproar was started like wulfgars was...he would be forced to write yet another novel on Artemis? How can he end that character without a final outcome of the Rival Battle?
Zaggotzoo 10-22-07, 03:01 PM	I'll be really surprised if Artemis doesn't show up in the new 4th edition FR in some form. I'm almost positive that he doesn't know that Drizzt is still alive, and though Artemis came out of RotP a different person, he rarely leaves an enemy in his wake.
Puritan13 10-22-07, 03:05 PM	I'll be really surprised if Artemis doesn't show up in the new 4th edition FR in some form. I'm almost positive that he doesn't know that Drizzt is still alive, and though Artemis came out of RotP a different person, he rarely leaves an enemy in his wake.I was under the impression that Jarlaxle all but told Artemis that Drizzt was alive at some point or other in the Sellswords series and that Artemis just doesn't care anymore. I may need to re-read that awesome series.
ExtinctionBeta 10-22-07, 03:07 PM	I was under the impression that Jarlaxle all but told Artemis that Drizzt was alive at some point or other in the Sellswords series and that Artemis just doesn't care anymore. I may need to re-read that awesome series. Not that I can remember...and Jarlaxelle would be dead if Artemis found out. Or would be attempted to be killed that is. I am only suprised that somone of Drizzt reputation has spread word to Artemis, or that Jarlaxell is keeping a closed ear on Artemis.
Puritan13 10-22-07, 03:11 PM	Not that I can remember...and Jarlaxelle would be dead if Artemis found out. Or would be attempted to be killed that is. I am only suprised that somone of Drizzt reputation has spread word to Artemis, or that Jarlaxell is keeping a closed ear on Artemis.Pretty sure I'm remembering correctly here. I think Artemis has pretty much left that hatred behind. And since Drizzt was always willing to leave Artemis alone, we may never see the two tangle again.
Zaggotzoo 10-22-07, 03:23 PM	I was under the impression that Jarlaxle all but told Artemis that Drizzt was alive at some point or other in the Sellswords series and that Artemis just doesn't care anymore. I may need to re-read that awesome series. Yeah, that's why I said "almost positive," I just remember reading through all three of the Sellswords wondering when Artemis will figure out that Drizzt is still alive. I don't recall Jarlaxle coming out and saying it because Artemis never really brought up Drizzt at all. The only reference to earlier novels I remember is when they were about to go back into the Underdark, and Artemis recalls how miserable it was down there. Maybe it was brought up in one of the short stories?
Puritan13 10-22-07, 03:27 PM	Yeah, that's why I said "almost positive," I just remember reading through all three of the Sellswords wondering when Artemis will figure out that Drizzt is still alive. I don't recall Jarlaxle coming out and saying it because Artemis never really brought up Drizzt at all. The only reference to earlier novels I remember is when they were about to go back into the Underdark, and Artemis recalls how miserable it was down there. Maybe it was brought up in one of the short stories?For some reason I think the conversation happened at the end of Servant of the Shard.
ExtinctionBeta 10-22-07, 05:05 PM	For some reason I think the conversation happened at the end of Servant of the Shard. Nope, he mentioned that he stoped caring that Drizzt was dead do to Jarlaxells band. It later mentions in the Promise of the witch king that Jarlaxelle often wondered what would happen if Artemis found out Drizzt was still alive. I just finished Road of the Patriarch today actually.
Puritan13 10-22-07, 05:15 PM	Nope, he mentioned that he stoped caring that Drizzt was dead do to Jarlaxells band. It later mentions in the Promise of the witch king that Jarlaxelle often wondered what would happen if Artemis found out Drizzt was still alive. I just finished Road of the Patriarch today actually.Thanks.
ExtinctionBeta 10-22-07, 05:17 PM	Thanks. ....Ok?...I rebuke my last statment? Sorry
Puritan13 10-22-07, 05:30 PM	....Ok?...I rebuke my last statment? SorrySometimes, when someone says "thanks", they actually mean "thanks".
Eli_the_Tanner 10-22-07, 07:13 PM	As someone pointed out before, this depends on the timeframe you are comparing the two characters in. Assuming we are comparing their latest incarnations - I would like to place Artemis as the better swordsman now. Looking at their weoponry, Charon's Claw stands above both Icingdeath and Twinkle in power and abilities. As Drizzt's weapons seemed not to give any advantage previously, wheras Artemis has incorporated many of Charon's Claws abilities into his tactics e.g. ash wall, hiding from darkvision, one-hit kills. Skill-wise it is hard to judge their respective abilities as they have not fought for some time. However if we measure their abilities by the challenges and enemies they have overcome since their departure (experience if you will;) ) Drizzt:- After their last fight returned home, only to become involved in Ellifain's vendetta against him. Ellifain although clearly skilled was not a match for Drizzt in a straight fight, resorting to numerous magics and buffs to aid her. This tested Drizzt's adaptability to the max, resulting in a draw where both combatants were rendered close to death. Drizzts next true challenge comes in the form of Obould, whom he fights on numerous occasions - overcome initially by Obould's impressive array of magic items, Drizzt must seek out more suitable equipment to bring obould to a even level. Drizzt nearly defeated by Obould 1v1 but saved(again) by outside forces. Artemis:- After their last confrontation, Artemis went on to fight the owner of Charon's Claw and then Jarlaxle(with Crenishinibon) whilst in Calimsham. Artemis the links up with Cadderly to destroy the crystal Shard, fighting a powerful Red Dragon. Artemis continues on to fight a Dracolich, almost singlehandedly and beating Athrogate the dwarf. Artemis crosses blades with one of the most powerful characters of the Bloodstone Lands Duke Olwen Forest-Friend and bested the ranger one on one. I would say that Artemis has undergone tougher challenges than Drizzt, fighting off some truly epic opponents. Aswell as aquiring some impressive new equipment (Charon's Claw, red-stitched glove) he has also reversed his age by about 10 years whilst extending it greatly thanks to his dagger absorbing the essense of a shade. If a showdown were to occur now I would put my money on Artemis, excluding writer bias of course. --Please take this all with a pinch of salt as I personally prefer Artemis as a character.
Phelf_Der_Zemit 10-22-07, 07:13 PM	I dont think Mr.Salvatore will either of them, for I don't think either will see the other ever again. Infact Ill be suprised if Artimis doesn't disappear, and we dont hear from him until his final scene, in which his own beating, and abbandonded child finds him and kills him in one of the most Ironic chapter of the realms history.
Blibbering_Humdinger 10-22-07, 10:38 PM	How was he at a disadvantage? I remember he had time to prepair and chosing the wepon he so desired long before Drizzt entered. He was slowing down because of age. A minor disadvantage, but when you put two big-time swordswingers in a room together, those minor disadvantages count. And I'd hardly put weapon choice up as an advantage--Entreri just used the same old longsword/dagger combo he always goes with, as Drizzt used Twinkle and Icingdeath as always. The only advantage he had was a preview of the battle arena, and that didn't prove much of an advantage, as Drizzt was plenty adaptable to the terrain within Cryshal-Tirith.
Blibbering_Humdinger 10-22-07, 10:46 PM	As I said, the circumstances of the fight don't matter. Artemis standing, Drizzt lying and bleeding. The circumstances of the fight do matter. The reason Entreri wanted to fight in the first place was to prove he was the better warrior, and Drizzt would have beaten him had Kimmuriel not stepped in. Which is why Entreri was so PO'd that Kimmuriel stepped in. He later rationalized that he really did win by allying himself with better allies, that the simple fact of his own survival as opposed to Drizzt's (apparent) demise was proof of his superiority, but that was just that--a rationalization. That Drizzt was the better fighter was still evident, and that is the point. It may not be true anymore--Entreri's youthful spring is back due to that shadowstuff thing, and he has Charon's Claw as well (I'm not counting the gauntlet here, as Drizzt doesn't use magic anyway), so he might be able to go against Drizzt with better results, but we won't know that unless Salvatore writes the two characters back into the mix together, so...
ExtinctionBeta 10-23-07, 12:35 AM	From what I seen and heard more people like Artemis better...but I could be wrong...if this is true though..I hope Salvantore will put that into consideration which I doubt..but I can hope!
Puritan13 10-23-07, 01:04 AM	The circumstances of the fight do matter. The reason Entreri wanted to fight in the first place was to prove he was the better warrior, and Drizzt would have beaten him had Kimmuriel not stepped in. Which is why Entreri was so PO'd that Kimmuriel stepped in. He later rationalized that he really did win by allying himself with better allies, that the simple fact of his own survival as opposed to Drizzt's (apparent) demise was proof of his superiority, but that was just that--a rationalization. That Drizzt was the better fighter was still evident, and that is the point. It may not be true anymore--Entreri's youthful spring is back due to that shadowstuff thing, and he has Charon's Claw as well (I'm not counting the gauntlet here, as Drizzt doesn't use magic anyway), so he might be able to go against Drizzt with better results, but we won't know that unless Salvatore writes the two characters back into the mix together, so...The thing is, it's a toss up whenever the two tango. I think RAS will be writing more novels about Artemis and Jarlaxle. The potential is too ripe to leave be. If you think about it, the entire Sellswords series (and a couple of novels before hand too boot) was about Jarlaxle trying to cure Artemis of his obsession with fighting Drizzt. Artemis, for many years, couldn't move on, and was useless to Jarlaxle until he could put Drizzt behind him. He has now, and Jarlaxle has a very effective tool. How Jarlaxle will exploit that tool is up in the air, but exploit it he will. Last but not least: Artemis is my all time favorite NPC in the realms. But if he and Jarlaxle ever really tangled, I'm betting he'd be killed in pretty quick order, Charon's Claw or not. Jarlaxle has too many tricks up his sleeve and from the few times they've sparred, is Entreri's match with a pair of swords. People theorize that Drizzt may be favored of Lloth because no other character has thrown the drow into such chaos, and Lloth loves chaos. But I think that over the centuries Jarlaxle has sown more chaos in the drow than Drizzt ever could or will. And he's done it in a way that Lloth would appreciate: without garnering any blame. I think, despite being male Jarlaxle stands higher in Lloth's favor than 90% of drow. If they really did tangle though, I think Jarlaxle would fight a holding action until he could calm Artemis down and win him back over to his side. He wouldn't want to kill a weapon as effective as Artemis unless there was no other alternative. Just my :twocents: .
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 10-23-07, 10:20 AM	Road of the Patriarch leaves the impression that the story of Artemis Entreri is closed, and even if he does "come back", it likely won't be as Jarlaxle's partner. Anything could happen, of course, but I think RotP was meant as an ending.
Puritan13 10-23-07, 10:38 AM	Road of the Patriarch leaves the impression that the story of Artemis Entreri is closed, and even if he does "come back", it likely won't be as Jarlaxle's partner. Anything could happen, of course, but I think RotP was meant as an ending.Would you be able to keep Jarlaxle out of your life if he really wanted to be in it? What Jarlaxle wants, Jarlaxle gets. I agree that thats how it felt at the end of RotP, like an ending. But I distinctly remember getting that feeling twice while reading the Drizzt novels, yet another one keeps coming out.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 10-23-07, 11:01 AM	Would you be able to keep Jarlaxle out of your life if he really wanted to be in it? What Jarlaxle wants, Jarlaxle gets. I got the distinct impression that Jarlaxle had no desire to keep on after Artemis, as he was done with him and had found a new "project" to work on (Athrogate).
Zaggotzoo 10-23-07, 07:48 PM	(I'm not counting the gauntlet here, as Drizzt doesn't use magic anyway) Hmm....I wonder if the gauntlet would absorb Guenhwyvar? Anywho, I see RotP as an end to Artemis Entreri as we know him from The Sellswords. I think it's fair to say the next time we see him he'll have a reason for, well, living. What that reason exactly could be I have no idea.
Blibbering_Humdinger 10-23-07, 09:09 PM	Hmm....I wonder if the gauntlet would absorb Guenhwyvar? Possibly. Hey, maybe it would even absorb Icingdeath, who knows? :D Anywho, I see RotPas an end to Artemis Entreri as we know him from The Sellswords. I think it's fair to say the next time we see him he'll have a reason for, well, living. What that reason exactly could be I have no idea. Who knows? Eventually, though, he's going to have to find out that Drizzt is still out there. What with him becoming an ever more infamous being in the Realms... and when word filters south of the war with Obould, well, Drizzt's name is probably going to come down with it... I wonder how the new Artemis Entreri would react to the knowledge? Would he take up the chase again? Or would he simply hunt down Jarlaxle and kill him for the deception? ...I'm betting he wouldn't do a thing, actually...
KazMaz 10-23-07, 09:21 PM	I've been reading the Drizzt saga for quite sometime and over the years, from reading as a kid in middle school to now being post-college, I have varied my stance on both characters. Originally, I disliked Drizzt more than Artemis simply because he was good ... and youngsters tend to like "evil" more often than not simply because it's cool. However, as the years have progressed I have come to like Drizzt (although I still am reserved about his entourage at times). As of where we stand after the Sellswords and Orc King, I will say that both characters I have learned to like for their different personalities - both of which have grown quite a bit over the years. We all know Drizzt. Good natured at heart, protective, caring, and someone who tries to look for the best in most situations - an optimist as he even stated himself to be recently. We are aware of how he truely thinks due to his "journal entries" and from those we tend to get a deeper glimpse of his character compared to the rest in Salvatore's novels. We see his emotions, his inner turmoil, his hopes, fears, as well as his stance on certain people and events. But in the end, Drizzt is a good guy. While he does at times revert to a more 'drow-like' state (he will sometimes kill people while some good characters would not) and he can be deceptive and also takes the instincive form of The Hunter. Bottom Line: Drizzt will always strive for a better world if not for the people around him more than himself. Artemis has turned into more than just Drizzt's <formal> arch-enemy. To me, Salvatore has begun to shape Artemis into a character that Drizzt *could* have been. While Artemis originally sought only to best Drizzt, he seems to have moved past that point. He is in the process of finding out who he is. Confronting parts of his past that he once never thought to come back to, facing fears he left behind many years ago. As the Sellswords have shown, Artemis is changing - his personality and character evolving. But ... into what? At times he has shown far more compassion than the Artemis of old. He has even shown hints of jealousy and lust in the love department. Artemis has showed signs of sympathy as of late ... and at other times he maintains that ever cold and care-less-about-you persona. Honestly, he is more unpredictable than Drizzt and potentionally more dangerous. While Drizzt strives for the good around him, Artemis seems to strive more for the good of Artemis. I think in the long run Salvatore will make Artemis more "good" than "bad" but unlike Drizzt, Artemis will always use a more forceful, vile, and evil way to handle people and business and will always look for personal gain more than community gain. As for their fighting? ... IMO Drizzt was the superior in terms of melee combat. I would say that if both were given a suit of normal armor and two regular non-enchanted weapons of their choosing, Drizzt could defeat Artemis. Of course this is purely opinion. I always believed Drizzt's need to protect others outweighed Entreri's personal desire to defeat Drizzt. While both were equal, I believe Drizzt has both more experience and training in combat. I am not comparing the two's ability to sneak, track, or get the jump on someone ... but rather than the two start 10 feet away from one another, face to face, and engage in combat with equal weapons. After the Sellswords, I changed my stance. I feel Artemis has evolved somewhat. He has put Drizzt behind him and has begun to live life. I believe Artemis will always have a desire to "better" his combat skills while Drizzt does not share that same inner-desire. And in no way do Artemis' new magical acquisitions make him weaker than before. As above, with equal weapons in the past, I believe Drizzt would win. Currently, at the end of RotP and Orc King, I feel that if the two were to fight with their current mind-set and equipment, Artemis would better Drizzt. He would focus more on a fight than in the goal of killing Drizzt, freeing his mind more and making him less lust-driven, and with Charon's Claw and his hinted at shade-blood (longer life yay!), not to mention whatever other random magic accessories Jarlaxle and him have recovered/obtained/looted/pillaged/won ... I figure the next time they meet, Artemis new more live-free mindset and items would topple Drizzt. All opinion of course. But just to throw Jarlaxle into the fray - I doubt either could best him in a fight with all items thrown in simply because Jarlaxle, as many have stated before me, just has far too many damned tricks up his sleeve ... or hat ... or eyepatch! But honestly? Given hints we saw in the Orc King and the trilogy called "Transitions" and understanding the 100+ year future setting the books seem to be moving too, I would not be too uncertain if we see Drizzt's new entourage consisting of Jarlaxle and/or Artemis at some point down the road. We've seen Drizzt's deep desire to befriend fellow Dark Elves and his ability to make peace with old enemies not to mention Artemis seems to have evolved past his former obession for Drizzt. Ahhh. Just the thought! What a series of books it would be having those two at one anothers side - or at one anothers neck! And Jarlaxle!? Haha. Just food for thought! My opinion anyway!
creyzi4zb12 10-24-07, 02:27 AM	As someone pointed out before, this depends on the timeframe you are comparing the two characters in. Assuming we are comparing their latest incarnations - I would like to place Artemis as the better swordsman now. Looking at their weoponry, Charon's Claw stands above both Icingdeath and Twinkle in power and abilities. As Drizzt's weapons seemed not to give any advantage previously, wheras Artemis has incorporated many of Charon's Claws abilities into his tactics e.g. ash wall, hiding from darkvision, one-hit kills. Skill-wise it is hard to judge their respective abilities as they have not fought for some time. However if we measure their abilities by the challenges and enemies they have overcome since their departure (experience if you will;) ) Drizzt:- After their last fight returned home, only to become involved in Ellifain's vendetta against him. Ellifain although clearly skilled was not a match for Drizzt in a straight fight, resorting to numerous magics and buffs to aid her. This tested Drizzt's adaptability to the max, resulting in a draw where both combatants were rendered close to death. Drizzts next true challenge comes in the form of Obould, whom he fights on numerous occasions - overcome initially by Obould's impressive array of magic items, Drizzt must seek out more suitable equipment to bring obould to a even level. Drizzt nearly defeated by Obould 1v1 but saved(again) by outside forces. Artemis:- After their last confrontation, Artemis went on to fight the owner of Charon's Claw and then Jarlaxle(with Crenishinibon) whilst in Calimsham. Artemis the links up with Cadderly to destroy the crystal Shard, fighting a powerful Red Dragon. Artemis continues on to fight a Dracolich, almost singlehandedly and beating Athrogate the dwarf. Artemis crosses blades with one of the most powerful characters of the Bloodstone Lands Duke Olwen Forest-Friend and bested the ranger one on one. I would say that Artemis has undergone tougher challenges than Drizzt, fighting off some truly epic opponents. Aswell as aquiring some impressive new equipment (Charon's Claw, red-stitched glove) he has also reversed his age by about 10 years whilst extending it greatly thanks to his dagger absorbing the essense of a shade. If a showdown were to occur now I would put my money on Artemis, excluding writer bias of course. --Please take this all with a pinch of salt as I personally prefer Artemis as a character. Artemis has already encountered epic enemies. Ever remembered Kane? or Gareth Dragonbane? Those two were epic pure.
Aldareth 10-24-07, 02:45 AM	Artemis has already encountered epic enemies. Ever remembered Kane? or Gareth Dragonbane? Those two were epic pure. yeah and he was wise enough to not mess with them :D
Eli_the_Tanner 10-24-07, 07:28 AM	Artemis has already encountered epic enemies. Ever remembered Kane? or Gareth Dragonbane? Those two were epic pure. I think those were the 'truly epic opponents' I was referring to. I have a feeling though that Kane would probably beat Artemis in a real fight.
ExtinctionBeta 10-24-07, 07:44 AM	yeah and he was wise enough to not mess with them :D Um? He put the dagger to Kanes palm challenging him...
dethmetal 10-24-07, 02:11 PM	He only managed to knick the Kane's palm, or neck or wheverever it was, it's been a while since i read RotP. And that tiny strike was only signifigant because of the weapon with which it was made, (Artemis's soul stealing dagger) and if i remember right even after he did it artemis realized that Kane's hold over his life with that technique he was using (quivering palm i think) would activate much faster then he could drain the life out of Kane
ExtinctionBeta 10-24-07, 05:28 PM	He only managed to knick the Kane's palm, or neck or wheverever it was, it's been a while since i read RotP. And that tiny strike was only signifigant because of the weapon with which it was made, (Artemis's soul stealing dagger) and if i remember right even after he did it artemis realized that Kane's hold over his life with that technique he was using (quivering palm i think) would activate much faster then he could drain the life out of Kane I am not implying he would have won...I was merely saying that, yes "he did mess with hin". If I put a knife to somones face and they have a gun to my face...I am pretty sure that they will win but it would still be considered messing with them.
Puritan13 10-24-07, 05:37 PM	I am not implying he would have won...I was merely saying that, yes "he did mess with hin". If I put a knife to somones face and they have a gun to my face...I am pretty sure that they will win but it would still be considered messing with them.For some reason I can imagine you actually doing that...
ExtinctionBeta 10-24-07, 05:40 PM	For some reason I can imagine you actually doing that... wow...thanks for staying on topic there pro. And I thought I was the only person Trolling. It's called an Analogy! And for the record....yes I would do that...winning a gun fight with a knife...what a bad ass..
Puritan13 10-24-07, 06:12 PM	wow...thanks for staying on topic there pro. And I thought I was the only person Trolling. It's called an Analogy! And for the record....yes I would do that...winning a gun fight with a knife...what a bad ass..Heh heh. Don't take the teasing personal, son.
ExtinctionBeta 10-24-07, 06:17 PM	Heh heh. Don't take the teasing personal, son. Well, I only say this in case somone were to try to use some of my trolling agaisnt me. But if I know that you don't take what I say serious either, then I really don't care. But there are a few names I won't mention that are out to get people and complete jerks. Drizzt Writes a diary...need I say more??
Puritan13 10-24-07, 06:31 PM	Well, I only say this in case somone were to try to use some of my trolling agaisnt me. But if I know that you don't take what I say serious either, then I really don't care. But there are a few names I won't mention that are out to get people and complete jerks. Drizzt Writes a diary...need I say more??You tend to get defensive at times. Water... ducks back... hello?:P
Arbourean 10-24-07, 10:26 PM	From what I remember reading, it's pretty obvious Kane could have moved his hand quicker than Artemis could have reacted.
Charles Phipps 10-24-07, 10:28 PM	I disagree, he had Kane beat there through trickery. Even if they would have died.
creyzi4zb12 10-25-07, 01:09 AM	Whattabout Gareth Dragonbane. If Kane serves the guy that must mean that Gareth is better than Kane wouldn't it. BTW: Kane is wicked sick. Even dragon's are afraid of him.
Aldareth 10-25-07, 02:24 AM	Whattabout Gareth Dragonbane. If Kane serves the guy that must mean that Gareth is better than Kane wouldn't it. BTW: Kane is wicked sick. Even dragon's are afraid of him. we dont know the levels of kane but since the where in the same adventuring party before gareth become king we can asume that they are close in level , gareth ist stated as Pal 20 / Cle 5 of Ilmater, but his class levels dont matter at all , kane is a friend of gareth an would serve him even if gareth would be a lvl 2 aristocrat
Puritan13 10-25-07, 04:49 AM	Well, sonsidering that when they were being played the maximum level for monks was 17th, it's no wonder Gareth is higher level than Kane.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 10-25-07, 10:23 AM	Whattabout Gareth Dragonbane. If Kane serves the guy that must mean that Gareth is better than Kane wouldn't it. No. BTW: Kane is wicked sick. Even dragon's are afraid of him. I slightly dislike Kane simply because of how fans go crazy over him.
creyzi4zb12 10-25-07, 11:02 AM	Me? I'm neutral over my view to Kane. I don't mind the fact that he is that powerful...but the fact is that HE IS THAT POWERFUL!
Fire_Wraith 10-25-07, 11:15 AM	No. I slightly dislike Kane simply because of how fans go crazy over him. While I liked the concept of the Bloodstone module series (I never did get to play it), I never really found the iconic characters from it to be terribly compelling. I suppose that I just can't help but think of David Carradine in 'Kung-Fu' when I hear of a monk by the name of Kane. :D Of course, no one need worry about dealing with them anymore, assuming we're getting a 100 year time skip - they'll all be dead of old age, and we'll be saved from the difficult task of having to ignore them in our games if we dislike them. :rolleyes:
ExtinctionBeta 10-25-07, 11:35 AM	Since Kane is hardcore meele, couldn't somone such as kimmureal ( I can't spell I know) beat him down with using his own attacks agaisn't him? And by the way, just because Kane serves the king doesn't make the king stronger..it only means..he is a king! Since when in our history has a king not been a fat slob and his army among the greatest of warriros...and yet they serve him with thier life. And to clear somthing up...I never said Artemis could have beaten Kane...it clearly states that Kane retracted his hand faster than Artemis could have done any damage to him even if he wanted to. I was merely proving somone elses point wrong that Artemis is such a bad ass that he is willing to mess with somone that could kill him with a stare.
creyzi4zb12 10-25-07, 01:56 PM	Gareth is strong, that's for sure! Where do u think he got the callsign Dragonbane. He is pure pawnage for dragons if you'd ask me.
ExtinctionBeta 10-25-07, 06:55 PM	Gareth is strong, that's for sure! Where do u think he got the callsign Dragonbane. He is pure pawnage for dragons if you'd ask me. Where are you getting your info from? I don't even remember him picking up a sword in Road of the Patriarch. He has his nick name Dragonbane sure...do you not remember the two coward half-orcs...they got names too...what did they do? Slow everyone down.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 10-25-07, 07:12 PM	Well, Gareth is officially a level 25 paladin. That's nothing to sniff at, although once again I get annoyed whenever fanboys talk about how GREAT and how POWERFUL Gareth, Kane, and the rest of that band is.
Blibbering_Humdinger 10-26-07, 12:52 AM	Well, I only say this in case somone were to try to use some of my trolling agaisnt me. But if I know that you don't take what I say serious either, then I really don't care. But there are a few names I won't mention that are out to get people and complete jerks. Drizzt Writes a diary...need I say more?? Since when did Drizzt write a diary? The books say he talks to himself when he's alone, because it helps sort through his thoughts, or something like that... but there's nothing about him writing a diary. And even if he did write a diary... what exactly is that supposed to mean? Where are you getting your info from? I don't even remember him picking up a sword in Road of the Patriarch. He has his nick name Dragonbane sure...do you not remember the two coward half-orcs...they got names too...what did they do? Slow everyone down. You mean Arrayan and Olgerkhan? Their names don't means squat. Whereas the moniker "Dragonsbane" tends to suggest that one is the bane of dragons... pretty impressive image, pretty impressive implications.
creyzi4zb12 10-26-07, 03:57 AM	Gareth is a paladin king who was an adventurer in his early years. Perhaps that's where he got the name Dragonbane.
Orcish-Firebat 10-26-07, 10:24 PM	"Post-Charon's Claw/That Curious Sword, I'd have to say Artemis would be the victor in a straight up fight if they ever duel again. Charon's Claw gives Artemis enough edge to win." I would say that Charon's claw does give artemis enough edge to win but that does not mean that Charon's claw could kill drizzt with one hit, Charon's claw appears to be a weapon of fire, hence its ability to create ash and smoke as wells as it sear flesh and turn people into skeletons with bubblign flesh. It is possible that Drizzt's sword Icing Death may negate Charon's claw ability to simply kill him with a single nick, but Charon's claw does give Artemis a greater chance than he had before.
ExtinctionBeta 10-27-07, 04:18 AM	The books say he talks to himself when he's alone, because it helps sort through his thoughts, or something like that... Indeed...thus the diary....need I say more?
Passivearmada 10-27-07, 11:55 AM	I don't know, but I think that Drizzt and Artemis will learn to respect one another and my even ally with one another. I haven't read the Orc King, so I don't know if Artemis found out Drizzt is alive (as I haven't read the Two Swords, either, and I'm in the middle of Road of the Patriarch). I really enjoyed when they allied in Streams of Silver, and because of this, I think that Streams of Silver is my favorite Drizzt book. Lately I've been ahving these flashbacks to the Icewind Dale trilogy because I read it at this time about a year ago, breathing the autumn air while reading on my front porch. I love the Icewind Dale trilogy... Anyhow, I don't know if Salvatore will write another Entreri/Jarlaxle book or three (though i do hear of a book about Jarlaxle and Zaknafein and their early adventures), though I'd like to see it. I haven't even started the Two Swords because the Lone Drow exhausted me, and the beginning of the third book seems rather dull. I am currently reading Road of the Patriarch and I find that I enjoy Jarlaxle and Entreri more than the Companions of the Hall. Contributing to the debate on who's 'better,' I'd say neither. Drizzt is a drow (natural superiority), Drizzt was in training since he was three (practically), and Drizzt had some amazing instructors. Artemis is human (inferior), has only been fighting for about 25-30 years, and was self taught on a lot of his techniques. Artemis is also stealthy, and you can argue that Drizzt is, too, but only because of his heritage. In conclusion, I think that if Drizzt were human, he'd be dead of a) age and b) Artemis. And as a side note, Artemis consumed the life of a shade in the short story That Curious Sword, so he is now bound to live as long as a dwarf or maybe even an elf. So no Artemis will die first because, saying that he has the life expectancy of an elf and that he's only forty something, and Drizzt is about 70 (before the Orc King)- that's a 30 year difference. Thirty years for Artemis to cough dust as he brags that he is the best living warrior until he falls over dead and Jarlaxle (somehow still alive- he'll find a way ;) ) loots his body.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 10-27-07, 08:33 PM	I don't know, but I think that Drizzt and Artemis will learn to respect one another and my even ally with one another. I haven't read the Orc King, so I don't know if Artemis found out Drizzt is alive (as I haven't read the Two Swords, either, and I'm in the middle of Road of the Patriarch). I can say with certainty that Artemis doesn't have anything to do with either The Two Swords or The Orc King. Currently, he is not a factor at all in Drizzt's life.
Passivearmada 10-28-07, 08:08 PM	I can say with certainty that Artemis doesn't have anything to do with either The Two Swords or The Orc King. Currently, he is not a factor at all in Drizzt's life. Mainly because he thinks Drizzt is dead.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 10-28-07, 08:16 PM	Mainly because he thinks Drizzt is dead. I think it's mainly because he is likely still hanging out with Dwaeval, trying to make a new home and life for himself.
Charles Phipps 10-28-07, 08:37 PM	I think it's mainly because he is likely still hanging out with Dwaeval, trying to make a new home and life for himself. Somehow, I think Artemis attempting to live a normal life is one destined for utter failure.
boards 10-29-07, 06:50 AM	The only time I can remember Artemis getting close to winning was in Starless Night?. At this point Drizzt is on the run from Jarlaxal's men when Artemis comes out and is beating Drizzt with the fight finishing when they get hit with sleep arrows. Of course at this point Drizzt has been fighting and running for a period but still it is the closest he has got. So for pure skill Drizzt is the winner I think.
Red_Wizard 10-29-07, 09:20 AM	Indeed...thus the diary....need I say more? Apparently you must, as I think you are misinterpreting what is actually taking place there. As was stated those passages are thoughts, not written word. He'd most likely be hard pressed to recall much of what he has said in the past. Additionally, what you call a diary, you could also refer to as a journal, if that makes it sound more "manly" for you. That's what I assume you are getting at. A diary is for little girls, and Drizzt is a pansy little girl right? Many of the greatest minds in history kept detailed notes, and long winded thoughts on everyday life, so perhaps we should scoff at them in turn. I mean after all, at least Drizzt wields two swords flawlessly, what have they done beside paint, and harness Nuclear power ? :rolleyes:
Puritan13 10-29-07, 12:02 PM	Somehow, I think Artemis attempting to live a normal life is one destined for utter failure.One can only hope.
Puritan13 10-29-07, 12:04 PM	Apparently you must, as I think you are misinterpreting what is actually taking place there. As was stated those passages are thoughts, not written word. He'd most likely be hard pressed to recall much of what he has said in the past. Additionally, what you call a diary, you could also refer to as a journal, if that makes it sound more "manly" for you. That's what I assume you are getting at. A diary is for little girls, and Drizzt is a pansy little girl right? Many of the greatest minds in history kept detailed notes, and long winded thoughts on everyday life, so perhaps we should scoff at them in turn. I mean after all, at least Drizzt wields two swords flawlessly, what have they done beside paint, and harness Nuclear power ? :rolleyes: I was under the impression that he was keeping a journal as well. You learn something new every day.
ExtinctionBeta 10-29-07, 12:37 PM	A diary is for little girls, and Drizzt is a pansy little girl right? Indeed. Not only that, Drizzt hangs out with Dwarfs that sing and ramble on like an annoying 12 year old. When a dwarf of this status was introduced to Artemis, he could think nothing more than to kill him. Drizzt's party consist of a annoying 12 year old personailty like dwarf king...a human girl that was raised by stupid midget king. A barbarian that should have been dead, but was brought back only to always be emo with his "inner turmoil". Then you have your fat little halfling that is useless in everyway and a waste of pages in RAS books. Now then, you got Aretmis's party. Consisting of masterminds,the most skilled warriors,mages,wizards,dracoliches/castles with unlimted undead. No one ever traveling with Artemis was useless...and if they were...he killed them. What a pimp.
Charles Phipps 10-29-07, 03:37 PM	Now then, you got Aretmis's party. Consisting of masterminds,the most skilled warriors,mages,wizards,dracoliches/castles with unlimted undead. No one ever traveling with Artemis was useless...and if they were...he killed them. What a pimp. Yes, Artemis Enteri's delightful collection of henchmen. A Flesh Golem, an Idiot mage, a treacherous guard, Cattie-Brie followed by Wererats, a bunch of Drow who hated him, the Crystal Shard, the Cast of The Cleric's Quintet (with the Bouldershoulder brothers), 2 Dragons, a bunch of people trying to kill him, and his bisexual insane lover (I don't mean Jarlaxle--- :rimshot: JK)
Orcish-Firebat 10-29-07, 04:49 PM	Indeed. Not only that, Drizzt hangs out with Dwarfs that sing and ramble on like an annoying 12 year old. When a dwarf of this status was introduced to Artemis, he could think nothing more than to kill him. Drizzt's party consist of a annoying 12 year old personailty like dwarf king...a human girl that was raised by stupid midget king. A barbarian that should have been dead, but was brought back only to always be emo with his "inner turmoil". Then you have your fat little halfling that is useless in everyway and a waste of pages in RAS books. Now then, you got Aretmis's party. Consisting of masterminds,the most skilled warriors,mages,wizards,dracoliches/castles with unlimted undead. No one ever traveling with Artemis was useless...and if they were...he killed them. What a pimp. Dude, just about everything you say is biased agaist Drizzt so it would be alot better to present fact to back up what you say other than grumble about you not likeing a character. First of Catti-Brie may be a human girl but she happens to kick alot of ass, if you ever read any of the hunters blade trilogy or Siege of Darkness you should already know that. She be slicing and dicing orc and drow alike. May be a fat lil halfing, and I would agree that he is somwhat of a waste in RAS books but when he gets off his lazy ass he will find some way to fit in, somtimes it is picking off an orc here and setting traps but somtimes the logical thing to do is stay out of the way if you cant help. Bruenor grumbles but he does not act like a 12 year old, he is far from useless but doesnt always play that big of a role.Dwarves are supposed to be slightly childish in that impatient grumbly way. Wulfgar I think salvatore shouldnt have killed him off in the first place, I didnt mind him dying but his story did kinda start to suck. I would say in the Hunters blade trilogy he starts to become that pimp N' Barbarian from Icewind dale. Artemis is teamed up with Jarlaxle, and obviously since Jarlaxle is more awesome than Drizzt, Artemis, and half of Fareun combined. (Even better than Chuck Norris)
ExtinctionBeta 10-29-07, 05:34 PM	(Even better than Chuck Norris) Bet you wouldn't say that to chuck norris's face! Elimenster wears chuck norris pajamas and AO checks his closet everynight for Chuck Norris.
Red_Wizard 10-29-07, 05:53 PM	Why is it that you do this time and again EB? You say you want to try and be a part of this community, and even go so far as to apologize time and again, saying you don't understand why people are annoyed with you. Well, look at your post in response to mine and you'll get your answer. Though I doubt very much that it will be made clear to you even then. You are doing to Drizzt and co., what you claim people are doing to you. Making biased remarks without ground or merit. The only difference is, what we ARE saying holds more water than you are willing to acknowledge. You may not be able to see your many faults, or simply may not wish to change them, but if that is the case you are not welcome here. That is not me saying this, this is an opinion shared by the majority of these forums whom have had to deal with you. Perhaps however you would only understand us retaliating against you in the manner to which you are accustomed. Perhaps we should all add to our tags about how you like to prance about in pantyhose, and get your mother to tell you how "fabulous" you look in her maternity underwear. If this is the course we have to take, I'm sure that we can flame you out, before you can come back with anything close to something articulate in response. -RW
Passivearmada 10-29-07, 08:35 PM	Indeed. Not only that, Drizzt hangs out with Dwarfs that sing and ramble on like an annoying 12 year old. When a dwarf of this status was introduced to Artemis, he could think nothing more than to kill him. Drizzt's party consist of a annoying 12 year old personailty like dwarf king...a human girl that was raised by stupid midget king. A barbarian that should have been dead, but was brought back only to always be emo with his "inner turmoil". Then you have your fat little halfling that is useless in everyway and a waste of pages in RAS books. Now then, you got Aretmis's party. Consisting of masterminds,the most skilled warriors,mages,wizards,dracoliches/castles with unlimted undead. No one ever traveling with Artemis was useless...and if they were...he killed them. What a pimp. Continually, I find you an idiotic waste of pixels (that's right- little pixels), as Regis is not a waste of pages. You haven't been through hell, and rather than see the world from someone else's eyes, you confuse emo with alcoholism (:rolleyes: moron). Bruenor acts like he's twelve? You act eleven! (That's a year difference- I did the math for you so you can't screw anything else up). Cattie-brie's not stupid, you just couldn't think of anything else. And Drizzt has sold hundreds of thousands of copies and you've sold nothing but hatred towards you from some super p*ssed forum jumpers. Maybe if people like you went extinct (like in your name), then the world would be a better place. And let me guess- one person said that Drizzt was stupid, eh? So you have to be on the antagonistic side. And alternate orientations and religious beliefs automatically send you to Hell, and you have to get the deoderant with the funniest add (god knows you need it if your body is half as crappy as your mouth), and whatever that guy you stalked in high school ever said, you agreed with. Go extinct, Beta- save us all.
Eli_the_Tanner 10-29-07, 11:46 PM	I think some of these posts are getting a little personal now. Lets just take some of these opinions with a pinch of salt and try to explore peoples varying views without attacking each other
meto30 10-30-07, 12:39 AM	As I have revealed some weeks before, puting EB on ignore makes for peace. Ah, peace. A good thing! A good thing not having to disinfect your eyes whenever you exit the forums.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 10-30-07, 12:45 PM	I think Wulfgar has gotten the best overall development out of all the Companions of the Hall. The way his character grows feels genuine to me. As for Regis, I would agree that more could be done with him (he often feels like an afterthought nowadays), but what's there, I enjoy.
Charles Phipps 10-30-07, 02:47 PM	Wulfgar felt artificial to me. The character after Errtu's torture was too different for me to consider him the same man. It'd be better if he'd died.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 10-30-07, 03:33 PM	Wulfgar felt artificial to me. The character after Errtu's torture was too different for me to consider him the same man. I don't think he feels like a totally different person. But people change over time, and so should characters. It'd be better if he'd died. Needless to say I disagree.
Lord Karsus 10-31-07, 01:04 PM	Somehow, I think Artemis attempting to live a normal life is one destined for utter failure. -That would make some good literature. I don't think he feels like a totally different person. But people change over time, and so should characters. Needless to say I disagree. -It would've been better if he stayed dead.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 10-31-07, 01:13 PM	*shrug* Well, as I said I like the man.:) He seems not to be too popular (especially not among serious Drizzt fans), but I also loved the Spine of the World novel...which also was apparently not too popular.
Lord Karsus 10-31-07, 01:24 PM	*shrug* Well, as I said I like the man.:) He seems not to be too popular (especially not among serious Drizzt fans), but I also loved the Spine of the World novel...which also was apparently not too popular. -I have no problems with the guy either, but dispite being an X-Men fan, I like the idea that people who die stay dead. Well, most of the time. ;)
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 10-31-07, 01:51 PM	-I have no problems with the guy either, but dispite being an X-Men fan, I like the idea that people who die stay dead. Well, most of the time. ;) Agreed (I know Wulfgar didn't technically die, but who knows if that was RAS's intent at the time he wrote Legacy)--but I like the way Wulfgar's story developed. Wulfgar changed the way a person does, unlike the other Companions of the Hall, who have remained very much the same over the past 20 books or so.
Passivearmada 10-31-07, 03:24 PM	-I have no problems with the guy either, but dispite being an X-Men fan, I like the idea that people who die stay dead. Well, most of the time. ;) X-Men relates to many soap operas. People die and they have a hidden twin or triplet, or they made it look like they were dead to escape their abusive husband :P.
Lord Karsus 10-31-07, 05:55 PM	X-Men relates to many soap operas. People die and they have a hidden twin or triplet, or they made it look like they were dead to escape their abusive husband :P. -The X-Men could kick the collective ass of General Hospital, though. That's the key difference.
Passivearmada 11-01-07, 05:28 PM	-The X-Men could kick the collective ass of General Hospital, though. That's the key difference. Indeed. Shows just aren't as fulfilling without teleprting blue people and lasers coming out of shades.
MsMarvelDuckie 11-01-07, 08:45 PM	Hmm... Interesting. I've always wondered who would win, myself. Personally, I think it would be a stalemate, where they just keep fighting until niether can stand or lift his weapon. Yeah, Artemis might get in a fatal cut with that darn sword of his, which IMO is just a rip-off of Blackrazor, but Drizzt has youth and agility on his side. Maybe if they both had no magic items we'd see who the TRUE victor is. Oh, and just for the record, I do like Artemis, but Drizzt will always be my one true FR love!! (Though Jarlaxle's startin to grow no me, too!!)
Chahir 11-02-07, 07:11 PM	Firstly, I must say that ExtinctionBeta's posts have really made my day:cool: I keep having to pour dettol into my eyes after reading them, but cant seem to get enough! Ahhh, it burns me...:gah: As for Artemis and Drizzt, hasnt this stand-off between the two 'greatest fighters in all of Faerun' lasted for long enough? I, for one, cannot wait for a final confrontation. Mano-a-elfo. Forget the magic weapons and items. Steel versus steel. Skill versus skill. To the death with no possibility for another come back or reunion. Unfortunately, I am beginning to realise that I am being hopelessly naive in hoping that this Battle Royale takes place before Entreri, myself (or both) find ourselves in zimmer frames :rolleyes: Chahir
Passivearmada 11-02-07, 11:03 PM	Hmm... Interesting. I've always wondered who would win, myself. Personally, I think it would be a stalemate, where they just keep fighting until niether can stand or lift his weapon. Yeah, Artemis might get in a fatal cut with that darn sword of his, which IMO is just a rip-off of Blackrazor, but Drizzt has youth and agility on his side. Maybe if they both had no magic items we'd see who the TRUE victor is. Oh, and just for the record, I do like Artemis, but Drizzt will always be my one true FR love!! (Though Jarlaxle's startin to grow no me, too!!) Jaraxle manipulated his way into a special place in my heart when in response to the Lady Christine's asking who he is in awe once one of his masterminded schemes was unveiled, he replied, "The king of the world, don't you know?" :) In Road of the Patriarch. I haven't finished it yet, though.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 11-04-07, 06:34 PM	I like Jarlaxle, but he's also the king of silly deus ex machinas.
Blibbering_Humdinger 11-06-07, 02:02 AM	Jaraxle manipulated his way into a special place in my heart when in response to the Lady Christine's asking who he is in awe once one of his masterminded schemes was unveiled, he replied, "The king of the world, don't you know?" :) In Road of the Patriarch. I haven't finished it yet, though. "I am he who rules the world, don't you know?" Ha ha... great line, great line... :D Right up there with Entreri: "Your friend is dead, so now you've a choice." Athrogate: "Eat him or starve?" Jarlaxle: "Eat him and eventually starve anyway."
Passivearmada 11-06-07, 03:24 PM	"I am he who rules the world, don't you know?" Ha ha... great line, great line... :D Right up there with Entreri: "Your friend is dead, so now you've a choice." Athrogate: "Eat him or starve?" Jarlaxle: "Eat him and eventually starve anyway." Indeed. I wouldn't've been surprised if Athrogate had eaten Canthan right there. Poor crazy dwarf, losing :censored: and all that. I want to think of another one, but my mind is blank right now. I really hope there is more stuff with Artemis and Jarlaxle (who I hear is going to be in some flashback book about the early adventures of him and Zaknafein. I think it sould be called The Early Adventures of Jarlaxle and Zaknafein). But another Artmeis/Jarlaxle book would be fun, despite Artemis' statement.