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icuall 10-16-07, 05:59 PM	(I'm posting this again. My first post just vanished, it didn't post.) I'm creating a new campaign. I've decided to incorporate old Elven empire or kingdom that resided in the Chondalwood (Satyrwood). I remember reading long ago in Faerun history (Elven history) about the mentioned Elven Kingdom. They were destroyed when attacked by either the Drow (when they were not even called the Drow at the time, they had a different name) or it was the humans of Chondalwood that eliminated them. (These are not the same wild/wood elves that live there now.) I believe this was written in TSR time. I can't find my reference information or anything about it in current 3E or 3.5E era. Does anybody recall the name of the old Elven kingdom in Chondalwood? Does anybody have a link to the reference information?
Suin Bahhar 10-17-07, 09:29 AM	To my knowledge the kingdom there was Syorpiir. It was a green elven kingdom of great size. (I used the old pdf of the Grand History for reference) Other candidates are Eiellūr, Orishaar or Thearnytaar. (I could never pinpoint the locations of these old southern elven kingdoms). On more thing. Those kingdoms had permanent settlements that were build out of the forest so next to nothing would remain as proof. Perhaps if there were some Stonesinger spellcasters who terraformed hills or crystal defence towers for fights agaisnt dragons some could be found as ruined remains.
icuall 10-17-07, 10:01 AM	To my knowledge the kingdom there was Syorpiir. It was a green elven kingdom of great size. (I used the old pdf of the Grand History for reference) Other candidates are Eiellūr, Orishaar or Thearnytaar. (I could never pinpoint the locations of these old southern elven kingdoms). On more thing. Those kingdoms had permanent settlements that were build out of the forest so next to nothing would remain as proof. Perhaps if there were some Stonesinger spellcasters who terraformed hills or crystal defence towers for fights agaisnt dragons some could be found as ruined remains. Syorpiir sounds right to me. I read my information from an old reference, not the recently published Grand History. I wonder what the difference is, if any. Anyway.... I just needed the name for consistency. In my game I use a modified Faerun, I change the politics and story/history quite often to fit my campaign. Basically, I'm going to have the Syorpiir Kingdom, believed to be long destroyed, be revived. The King was not killed as thought with the rest of the population. King and entourage were trapped. The PCs (from Sespech) are going to be the heroes, obviously, and thus enemies to those who will oppose the revived Elven Kingdom. As an old Elven Kingdom thought long dead, the Elven King will have the clout as a high King of Old. Futhermore, Sepech will try to make Syorpiir as allies vs Chondath which will be a challenge. I'm working out all the details and still writing the story flowchart of details to come. Yes, now the details are coming back to me about the tree cities,etc. It was a very interesting read regarding the Elven History. As for Eiellūr, Orishaar or Thearnytaar I think they kept them vague for future story use, but they either didn't develop them or kept them as story flavor for DMs to use. Thank you for responding.
Suin Bahhar 10-17-07, 11:04 AM	Im working on a campaign with almost exactly the same story only more centered on Chessenta. Great work so far story wise. So this king will wake up after 10.000 years of stasis? Interesting roleplaying right there! I made Syorpiir a green elven kingdom ruled by gold elven elites just for PC story reasons and added drama. I might steal your stasis idea, locking away Hieronial Reirdre, the King (cleric of Correllon) and his personal guard (warblades), and add some fey'ri meddlers as adversaries. Hmm, taste the heroics already. (Except my pc's are evil so they'll likely join the fey'ri in reimagining an Infernal Syorpiir)
icuall 10-19-07, 09:57 AM	I remember the old Grand History had the Syorpiir being eliminated thousands of years ago. FYI, "Other candidates are Eiellūr, Orishaar or Thearnytaar. (I could never pinpoint the locations of these old southern elven kingdoms)." The recently published Grand History that is out in stores has the locations of those empires. I checked it out yesterday at the book store. In my game, I'm going to add the conflict of the revived king with the challenge of him trying to restore his kingdom (of course), but the Chondathan threat will quickly try to eliminate them. Also, King has to garner the current wild elves in the woods into an organized fashion with his previous forces. There will be a some resistance from the current wild elf leaders. If the PCs don't assist, the revived Kingdom could fall again. If they don't convince Sespech (where they are from), to assist the Elven Kingdom, it could fall. Sespech has its own agenda, it would seem to benefit to ally with the Syorpiir against Chondath, but there is already conflict with the forest and lumber issue. I could go on and on. Eventually, it will lead to a grand battle, where and when depends on what the PCs decide to do. Sespech agenda includes possibly to develop the path connection to a grand road to the Golden Road so merchants will more willing to use Mimph instead of Arrabar - definetly an action Chondath will oppose. What will they do? I'm still writing it out. Another option for Sespech is to build the Golden Canal. From Nagawater to Lake of Steam, it would roughly parallel the Golden Road but ships would be able to go from Sea of Stars to the Lake of Steam through Sespech, it would make Sespech rich with fees and customs, etc. It would make Sespech a more powerful trading center. Of course, Chondath would also oppose, perhaps go to war to stop it. By doing nothing, it would make Arrabar drastically less important by bypassing Arrabar. Naval countries like Turmish and Hlondath would be proponents for the canal because it give them an opportunity to expand their trading fleets. To get ready, Sespech is building a comparable fleet. There would also be internal opposition as well - teamster guilds, etc. There is much to do. Like Found a city port on the Lake of Steam, etc. my PCs will be busy.
ExtinctionBeta 10-19-07, 12:03 PM	What's so cool about elves? I love humans in fantasy novels, they never back down when they know how to fight. Goblins/orcs/trolls are mostly bad..elves/gnomes/halfings are mostly good. Humans are anything because they are bad ass like that. Take pride in what you are, watch some 300. You see all these movies and games about some alien race nearly destroying us..but in reality it will be the other way around because we are limitless in terms of littleraly anything. The only thing that will kill the human race is humans themselves. Elves will be hundreads of years old and a fine warrior...humans will be in thier forties and matching that of a centurie elf age in terms of skill. We can adapt faster than anything in real life and in fantasy. GG NO RE K THX YW
icuall 10-19-07, 04:59 PM	lol..... I chose that kingdom because it was there and fits my idea. It just happens to be elves. But I think Elves are cool anyway. BTW... the party to be are all human and one dwarf. It will be an interesting campaign.
Lord Karsus 10-21-07, 12:54 AM	What's so cool about elves? -What isn't cool about Elves?
ExtinctionBeta 10-21-07, 12:22 PM	-What isn't cool about Elves? I do not think elves are cool therfore I do not have to explain which I do not belive to be true. You do belive elves to be cool, thus you must explain why. It's like saying, you want me to explain why 2+2=5...I do not belive that is the right answer so I will not explain why do not belive so. If you belive that mathmatical logic then you must present reasoning why. And for the record I already gave my explaonation to as of why Humans are cooler. Just remeber that any race in forgotten realms other than "monsters" are derived from human aspects, elves are humans with point ears my friend. And ever since I watched/read dragonlance/lord of the rings I always thought of elves as cowards and very feminent.
Lord Karsus 10-22-07, 12:00 AM	I do not think elves are cool therfore I do not have to explain which I do not belive to be true. -Um, it's called being polite. You know, I ask something, and then you elaborate. You do belive elves to be cool, thus you must explain why. -Actually, I never said that. I asked you why they weren't cool. It's like saying, you want me to explain why 2+2=5...I do not belive that is the right answer so I will not explain why do not belive so. If you belive that mathmatical logic then you must present reasoning why. -That's not exactly how it works, but okay. And for the record I already gave my explaonation to as of why Humans are cooler. -That's not what I asked you. Just remeber that any race in forgotten realms other than "monsters" are derived from human aspects, elves are humans with point ears my friend. -Not really, but okay. And ever since I watched/read dragonlance/lord of the rings I always thought of elves as cowards and very feminent. -How so? I haven't read anything from the Dragonlance series, but asides from the portrayal of Legolas by Orlando Bloom in the LOTR movies, how are Elves feminine? Cowardly, a misconception, but one that I can at least understand.
meto30 10-22-07, 12:26 AM	@ExtinctionBeta: Try calling Gil-Galad a coward. And please do so in a concise text, because I don't want anyone being infected by the brain-eating virus you carry. But why am I writing this? I can't read what you write anyway. :D