How Novels are portrayed according to stats [Archive] - Wizards Community

How Novels are portrayed according to stats [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
creyzi4zb12
11-29-07, 01:34 AM this is just an idea I thought of...
So here's my idea to get a better picture at novels so that many won't complain about the stats.
In a novel, there is no such thing as an NPC. In other words, all the units you encounter are characters. In an army, where you might the soldiers are NPC's and have no brains...For example...All orcs in game stats have Hp of 5. But if you actually make orc characters, if you roll a big roll in CON then the Hp will go to at least 15+, and that's just for lvl 1/2 I think.
So in an army a soldier is a...
Recruit = Level 3 Fighter
Regular = Level 5/6 Fighter
Veteran = Level 9/10 Fighter
Elite = Level 13/14 Fighter

Basically you'll see that this is the main reason why a level 20 wizard cannot defeat an army composed of 100 soldiers.
Stigger
11-29-07, 01:38 AM Just... no. First off they'll be warriors for the most part, class wise... and I'm not even going to go into just how wrong those level figures you have there are...
creyzi4zb12
11-29-07, 01:40 AM Why? All soldiers are fighters....Warriors is also okay....SO is barbarian. for an orc hoard just change all those stats I placed on the first post to barbarian classes then you have it.

Comeon man! This is the best solution for all those conceptions about novels and stats, you need this idea to soothen up yourt thoughts!

Okay, so there are NPC's. But when it comes to fights, you've gotta agree about the character issue.
Stigger
11-29-07, 01:50 AM Nope, ruleswise, they'd start at 1st level, and the elites would be 5th or 6th level in all likelihood. Take a look at the Leadership feat in the DMG, it should give you a much more likely scenario.
Faraer
11-29-07, 02:20 AM Basically you'll see that this is the main reason why a level 20 wizard cannot defeat an army composed of 100 soldiers.Huh? An archmage certainly can defeat such an army both in Realmslore and by D&D rules.

By your numbers, half a dozen veteran armsmen are a match for the Knights of Myth Drannor!
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
11-29-07, 12:25 PM And besides...is this really something a lot of people think about when they read novels? Nitty-gritty statistics?
creyzi4zb12
11-30-07, 07:52 AM Well yes. For starters, the guys in this forum thinks about those things.

Faraer: So the Knights of Myth Drannor are all level 15's or 16's maybe?
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
11-30-07, 10:11 AM Well yes. For starters, the guys in this forum thinks about those things.

Well, not me, and I have a feeling I'm not the only one.
Stigger
11-30-07, 02:34 PM I know its the last thing on my mind when reading one of my occassional Realms books, and so I'd think that Rinonalyrna has the right of it.
95
12-05-07, 02:49 PM i know stats never once have entered my mind while reading a novel.... i might try to emulate what the person did in a later game... but the guys are hero's they are supposed to do amazing things and have amazing magical items.... who cares if they are in a sourcebook or not
Karsus the Mad
12-07-07, 03:56 AM Nope, ruleswise, they'd start at 1st level, and the elites would be 5th or 6th level in all likelihood. Take a look at the Leadership feat in the DMG, it should give you a much more likely scenario.
Or commoners even, given that the vast majority of armies are formed from conscripts or people who otherwise aren't professional soldiers. I think the DMG says something along those lines anyway.
Stigger
12-07-07, 06:45 AM True, could be commoners as well, or even experts in some cases. Epic Level Handbook even mentions some adjustments for 'purchasing' Aristocrat/Adept followers, PC classed followers, or even Prestige classed followers, although the wording was a little unclear for the exact LA I thought, and didn't quite mesh with the examples, at least I didn't think they did.
Suin Bahhar
12-11-07, 07:59 PM Most novels with spellcasters are easier to convert as spell are a nice benchmark for power levels of mages. Martial characters are a bit more difficult to interpretate ruleswise. Would a WotC-staffer go about doing level checks against novel charcters who slay balors left and right by the CR's the characters defeated?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
creyzi4zb12 11-29-07, 01:34 AM	this is just an idea I thought of... So here's my idea to get a better picture at novels so that many won't complain about the stats. In a novel, there is no such thing as an NPC. In other words, all the units you encounter are characters. In an army, where you might the soldiers are NPC's and have no brains...For example...All orcs in game stats have Hp of 5. But if you actually make orc characters, if you roll a big roll in CON then the Hp will go to at least 15+, and that's just for lvl 1/2 I think. So in an army a soldier is a... Recruit = Level 3 Fighter Regular = Level 5/6 Fighter Veteran = Level 9/10 Fighter Elite = Level 13/14 Fighter Basically you'll see that this is the main reason why a level 20 wizard cannot defeat an army composed of 100 soldiers.
Stigger 11-29-07, 01:38 AM	Just... no. First off they'll be warriors for the most part, class wise... and I'm not even going to go into just how wrong those level figures you have there are...
creyzi4zb12 11-29-07, 01:40 AM	Why? All soldiers are fighters....Warriors is also okay....SO is barbarian. for an orc hoard just change all those stats I placed on the first post to barbarian classes then you have it. Comeon man! This is the best solution for all those conceptions about novels and stats, you need this idea to soothen up yourt thoughts! Okay, so there are NPC's. But when it comes to fights, you've gotta agree about the character issue.
Stigger 11-29-07, 01:50 AM	Nope, ruleswise, they'd start at 1st level, and the elites would be 5th or 6th level in all likelihood. Take a look at the Leadership feat in the DMG, it should give you a much more likely scenario.
Faraer 11-29-07, 02:20 AM	Basically you'll see that this is the main reason why a level 20 wizard cannot defeat an army composed of 100 soldiers.Huh? An archmage certainly can defeat such an army both in Realmslore and by D&D rules. By your numbers, half a dozen veteran armsmen are a match for the Knights of Myth Drannor!
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 11-29-07, 12:25 PM	And besides...is this really something a lot of people think about when they read novels? Nitty-gritty statistics?
creyzi4zb12 11-30-07, 07:52 AM	Well yes. For starters, the guys in this forum thinks about those things. Faraer: So the Knights of Myth Drannor are all level 15's or 16's maybe?
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 11-30-07, 10:11 AM	Well yes. For starters, the guys in this forum thinks about those things. Well, not me, and I have a feeling I'm not the only one.
Stigger 11-30-07, 02:34 PM	I know its the last thing on my mind when reading one of my occassional Realms books, and so I'd think that Rinonalyrna has the right of it.
95 12-05-07, 02:49 PM	i know stats never once have entered my mind while reading a novel.... i might try to emulate what the person did in a later game... but the guys are hero's they are supposed to do amazing things and have amazing magical items.... who cares if they are in a sourcebook or not
Karsus the Mad 12-07-07, 03:56 AM	Nope, ruleswise, they'd start at 1st level, and the elites would be 5th or 6th level in all likelihood. Take a look at the Leadership feat in the DMG, it should give you a much more likely scenario. Or commoners even, given that the vast majority of armies are formed from conscripts or people who otherwise aren't professional soldiers. I think the DMG says something along those lines anyway.
Stigger 12-07-07, 06:45 AM	True, could be commoners as well, or even experts in some cases. Epic Level Handbook even mentions some adjustments for 'purchasing' Aristocrat/Adept followers, PC classed followers, or even Prestige classed followers, although the wording was a little unclear for the exact LA I thought, and didn't quite mesh with the examples, at least I didn't think they did.
Suin Bahhar 12-11-07, 07:59 PM	Most novels with spellcasters are easier to convert as spell are a nice benchmark for power levels of mages. Martial characters are a bit more difficult to interpretate ruleswise. Would a WotC-staffer go about doing level checks against novel charcters who slay balors left and right by the CR's the characters defeated?