Info on Mithril hall before Salvatore changed everything? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Info on Mithril hall before Salvatore changed everything? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Larloch_the_Ultra_Lich
08-06-07, 06:10 AM I heard on another site that mithril hall was once far greater than it was in the novel. Comparable to undermountain or so.

Can anyone give me some detailed information?
Krash
08-06-07, 06:46 AM Umm, no. R A Salvatore created Mithril Hall.

-- George Krashos
Lord Karsus
08-06-07, 10:05 AM -What I think Larloch means is what Mithral Hall used to be. In his novels, Salvatore has Drizzt & Co. reclaiming Mithral Hall. In the past, however, Mithral Hall was a minor, but steady Dwarven kingdom led by the Battlehammer Clan. Shimmergloom, a powerful Deep Dragon (Or, was it a Shadow Dragon?) took over the place, turning it into his lair.

-All of the back history of Mithral Hall can be found interdispersed within Salvatore's novels, since, as was stated, he created the place- including it's history.
Larloch_the_Ultra_Lich
08-06-07, 10:13 AM ok, but what is all this info then.

Mithral Hall was once the most exciting dungeon a DM could guide a party towards...

with the greatest shadow dragon ever, a dragon that had almost 50% more hp than any other existing dragon, and his lair protected by drow, shadow mastiffs, shadows, grerater shadows, shadow demons, and actual TRUE SHADES, and of course the duergar, and a tribe of enslaved derro's...

now throw in a massive never ending underground/underdark ancient dwarven complex filled the thre relams greatest treasures, and a way to introduce the players to the underdark and mezzo itself

now RA comes along off's the dragon in the most pathetic fight scene ever written, and he also changed what was protecting / allied with the dragon to make it even easier for his characters

Now Mithral Hall is nothing more than a place were a famous surface drow and his friends call home... SAD

Mithral Hall used to be an unconquerable dungeon where only the bravest and most experienced adventures would dare to enter, and then they could never conquer the place, they could only survive it's perils and hope to escape with a little of it's famed treasures to prove to the relams they are one of the few, the proud, the mithral hall survivor...

now thanks to RA it's nothing more than a dwarven lollipop factory

Im confused? I could have sworn as well that they used to have a MH sourcebook and Salvatore plaucked it up to use in his novels. Much like he plucked up the old bloodstone modules.
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=793495&page=3
bottom of the page.
Lord Karsus
08-06-07, 10:38 AM -Zol, like many other things, was wrong. By the way, did you ever see him produce any citations, or anything like that? ;)
Larloch_the_Ultra_Lich
08-06-07, 10:48 AM -Zol, like many other things, was wrong. By the way, did you ever see him produce any citations, or anything like that? ;)

The problem is, I seem to recall reading about said things wayyyy back in the day. Are we 100% sure no previous data exists? or did these peeps just make it up out of thin air?
GothicDan
08-06-07, 11:30 AM Zol is an expert at being wrong.
Larloch_the_Ultra_Lich
08-06-07, 11:49 AM Zol is an expert at being wrong.

So he just made the stuff up out of thin air?
GothicDan
08-06-07, 11:53 AM Well, I have never heard of such things before (of course, I am not an expert on Mithral Hall), but he certainly has a long history of severely misinterpreting things and making up things.

Most likely his DM X number of years ago told him something or ran an alternate Mithral Hall campaign, and he took it as canon.
Lord Karsus
08-06-07, 01:14 PM Zol is an expert at being wrong.

-Heh.
Faraer
08-06-07, 01:39 PM Are we 100% sure no previous data exists?Yes.

But what about Gauntlgrym?
Krash
08-06-07, 06:55 PM To give Zol the benefit of the doubt, I think what he might have been saying (albeit badly) is that Mithral Hall was a prime potential adventure site when "The Crystal Shard" was published but then subsequent novels took that adventure potential away.

Given how the place was Salvatore's creation in the first place, I think that Zol is getting fussed over nothing. he is right about one thing though: Mithral Hall (pre-reclamation) would have made a great adventure site. But as Faraer points out, the Realms gives us a myriad of options in terms of adventure possibilities.

-- George Krashos
Swiftblade
08-06-07, 07:35 PM Gauntlgrym is a completely separate kingdom, It was considered the great North Kingdom of Shield Dwarves, but with the encroach of Orcs and the increase in hostile civs in the area, as with almost all Shield Dwarven Kingdoms, it fell, and split into current Sundabar, Mirabar, Citadel Adbar, Citadel Felbarr and Mithril Hall, as the kingdom split and tried to keep some semblance of survivors over the following generations.
Stigger
08-07-07, 03:00 PM What Krash said seems the most likely interpretation to me.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Larloch_the_Ultra_Lich 08-06-07, 06:10 AM	I heard on another site that mithril hall was once far greater than it was in the novel. Comparable to undermountain or so. Can anyone give me some detailed information?
Krash 08-06-07, 06:46 AM	Umm, no. R A Salvatore created Mithril Hall. -- George Krashos
Lord Karsus 08-06-07, 10:05 AM	-What I think Larloch means is what Mithral Hall used to be. In his novels, Salvatore has Drizzt & Co. reclaiming Mithral Hall. In the past, however, Mithral Hall was a minor, but steady Dwarven kingdom led by the Battlehammer Clan. Shimmergloom, a powerful Deep Dragon (Or, was it a Shadow Dragon?) took over the place, turning it into his lair. -All of the back history of Mithral Hall can be found interdispersed within Salvatore's novels, since, as was stated, he created the place- including it's history.
Larloch_the_Ultra_Lich 08-06-07, 10:13 AM	ok, but what is all this info then. Mithral Hall was once the most exciting dungeon a DM could guide a party towards... with the greatest shadow dragon ever, a dragon that had almost 50% more hp than any other existing dragon, and his lair protected by drow, shadow mastiffs, shadows, grerater shadows, shadow demons, and actual TRUE SHADES, and of course the duergar, and a tribe of enslaved derro's... now throw in a massive never ending underground/underdark ancient dwarven complex filled the thre relams greatest treasures, and a way to introduce the players to the underdark and mezzo itself now RA comes along off's the dragon in the most pathetic fight scene ever written, and he also changed what was protecting / allied with the dragon to make it even easier for his characters Now Mithral Hall is nothing more than a place were a famous surface drow and his friends call home... SAD Mithral Hall used to be an unconquerable dungeon where only the bravest and most experienced adventures would dare to enter, and then they could never conquer the place, they could only survive it's perils and hope to escape with a little of it's famed treasures to prove to the relams they are one of the few, the proud, the mithral hall survivor... now thanks to RA it's nothing more than a dwarven lollipop factory Im confused? I could have sworn as well that they used to have a MH sourcebook and Salvatore plaucked it up to use in his novels. Much like he plucked up the old bloodstone modules. http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=793495&page=3 bottom of the page.
Lord Karsus 08-06-07, 10:38 AM	-Zol, like many other things, was wrong. By the way, did you ever see him produce any citations, or anything like that? ;)
Larloch_the_Ultra_Lich 08-06-07, 10:48 AM	-Zol, like many other things, was wrong. By the way, did you ever see him produce any citations, or anything like that? ;) The problem is, I seem to recall reading about said things wayyyy back in the day. Are we 100% sure no previous data exists? or did these peeps just make it up out of thin air?
GothicDan 08-06-07, 11:30 AM	Zol is an expert at being wrong.
Larloch_the_Ultra_Lich 08-06-07, 11:49 AM	Zol is an expert at being wrong. So he just made the stuff up out of thin air?
GothicDan 08-06-07, 11:53 AM	Well, I have never heard of such things before (of course, I am not an expert on Mithral Hall), but he certainly has a long history of severely misinterpreting things and making up things. Most likely his DM X number of years ago told him something or ran an alternate Mithral Hall campaign, and he took it as canon.
Lord Karsus 08-06-07, 01:14 PM	Zol is an expert at being wrong. -Heh.
Faraer 08-06-07, 01:39 PM	Are we 100% sure no previous data exists?Yes. But what about Gauntlgrym?
Krash 08-06-07, 06:55 PM	To give Zol the benefit of the doubt, I think what he might have been saying (albeit badly) is that Mithral Hall was a prime potential adventure site when "The Crystal Shard" was published but then subsequent novels took that adventure potential away. Given how the place was Salvatore's creation in the first place, I think that Zol is getting fussed over nothing. he is right about one thing though: Mithral Hall (pre-reclamation) would have made a great adventure site. But as Faraer points out, the Realms gives us a myriad of options in terms of adventure possibilities. -- George Krashos
Swiftblade 08-06-07, 07:35 PM	Gauntlgrym is a completely separate kingdom, It was considered the great North Kingdom of Shield Dwarves, but with the encroach of Orcs and the increase in hostile civs in the area, as with almost all Shield Dwarven Kingdoms, it fell, and split into current Sundabar, Mirabar, Citadel Adbar, Citadel Felbarr and Mithril Hall, as the kingdom split and tried to keep some semblance of survivors over the following generations.
Stigger 08-07-07, 03:00 PM	What Krash said seems the most likely interpretation to me.