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| Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron02-04-07, 12:46 AM | Now we all know that Karsus was responsible for the fall of Netherial and the recently discovered sundering of the weave. However, baring any Clones running around is the Archwizard also known as the Momentary God irredeemably dead? Has the tripartite spirit at Karse been forever destroyed by the actions of Shades emissaries or the Green regent story line? Let’s hear what everyone thinks! I know there are a lot of Karsus 'fans' out there that want to talk about this. Go for it!:D |
| MarkusTay6302-04-07, 01:50 AM | Last I heard, he got 'stoned'. |
| Stigger02-04-07, 03:11 AM | Let's see... I'll forward the idea that he moved to a different crystal sphere after faking his own demise with a epic illusion spell, founded his own religion that demonized magic and the supernatural in favor of some intangible redemption and no actual priests and is currently sitting on a beach someplace warm with sea and sand drinking fruity drinks with umbrellas in them, and that what was actually used was a full-sized giant space hampster that had been petrified, who obviously have enough power within them to simulate actually being a piece of a former god, so we should all bow down and worship the hampsters... |
| Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron02-04-07, 10:34 AM | Let's see... I'll forward the idea that he moved to a different crystal sphere after faking his own demise with a epic illusion spell, founded his own religion that demonized magic and the supernatural in favor of some intangible redemption and no actual priests and is currently sitting on a beach someplace warm with sea and sand drinking fruity drinks with umbrellas in them, and that what was actually used was a full-sized giant space hampster that had been petrified, who obviously have enough power within them to simulate actually being a piece of a former god, so we should all bow down and worship the hampsters... Maybe he was a giant space hampster all along! |
| Red_Wizard02-04-07, 11:02 AM | Orrrr...A miniture giant space hampster, traveling the world in the company of a stalwart Rashemi berserker, silently biding his time until he can once more restore Netheril to it's new hampstery glory :P |
| Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron02-04-07, 12:33 PM | Orrrr...A miniture giant space hampster, traveling the world in the company of a stalwart Rashemi berserker, silently biding his time until he can once more restore Netheril to it's new hampstery glory :P You think this Hamster might have some sort of alliance with the Mice from The Hitchhikers guide?:P P.S. Never liked Rashemi very much. Maybe a nice plague or a an Orc horde with directions could take out that pesky country!:D |
| MarkusTay6302-04-07, 01:28 PM | You think this Hamster might have some sort of alliance with the Mice from The Hitchhikers guide?:PMore then likely. I like this Space Hamster theory, it would explain much. Suppose a ship full of them landed in ancient Netheril, ACTUALLY BRINGING the Nether scrolls with them from a distant galaxy? Their own powerful magics then polymorphed them into forms that would be pleasing to the local inhabitants. There were 69 Hamsters originally aboard the U.S.S. Habitrail, of which 58 of them were known to have created enclaves. Perhaps some of them avoided the destruction of the phoney 'human' kingdom and their decendents even now burrow beneath our feet in the deep Underdark! "Karsus isn't dead son, he just went home" - a slightly altered quote from MIB ;) P.S. Never liked Rashemi very much. Maybe a nice plague or a an Orc horde with directions could take out that pesky country!:DWow, you and Red Wizard should get together. :P As far as a horde taking them out, its been tried and failed, and I think their particular brand of 'natural' magic would serve them well in a plague situation. |
| Karsus the Mad02-04-07, 03:50 PM | Now we all know that Karsus was responsible for the fall of Netherial and the recently discovered sundering of the weave. However, baring any Clones running around is the Archwizard also known as the Momentary God irredeemably dead? Has the tripartite spirit at Karse been forever destroyed by the actions of Shades emissaries or the Green regent story line? Let’s hear what everyone thinks! I know there are a lot of Karsus 'fans' out there that want to talk about this. Go for it!:D With 1/3 of his soul trapped in the red butte of his body in the dire woods, 1/3 of his soul trapped in a stone golem of his likeness in a temple on top of the red butte, and 1/3 of his soul trapped in his heart the Karsestone, which is in the hands of Shar, and his divine essence floating in the astral, I'd say it's as close to irredeemable as it can get. However, the green regent story didn't have his soul destroyed, merely united so he could pass on. If that's the real deal, all they did was make it easier to bring the bugger back. But for me, I like to think he's dead, dead, dead. I think he's far more interesting and useful as a symbolic reminder of what happens when even the most powerful of mortals stick their noses into things they shouldn't. Tho' in a game, it might be fun to have him return in some manner (like Voldemort), only to be slapped back into the imprisonment of a limbo existence compounding his errors. |
| Markustay02-04-07, 03:58 PM | Tho' in a game, it might be fun to have him return in some manner (like Voldemort), only to be slapped back into the imprisonment of a limbo existence compounding his errors.I just pictured Karsus' face sticking out of Elminster's butt and whining about wanting to be 'real' again, and El yelling at his @ss to "shutup!". :D Still have NO idea where the green Regent story line comes from. :confused: |
| Karsus the Mad02-04-07, 04:10 PM | I just pictured Karsus' face sticking out of Elminster's butt and whining about wanting to be 'real' again, and El yelling at his @ss to "shutup!". :D Still have NO idea where the green Regent story line comes from. :confused: Heh. That reminds me of a picture of Elminster I saw over on Elfwood. He farted an air elemental. Above was the caption "There ARE disadvantages to being a 29th level mage!" The Green Regent article I'm referring to is located here:) http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frgr/20051102a |
| Lord Karsus02-04-07, 06:44 PM | -Psst...Lord Karsus is alive and doing fine, thank you very much...:shifty: -Oddly enough, I disagree with my mad counterpart. I like to think that Karsus is not dead. He cannot be revived though, don't get me wrong. He's in a libo-like state, where he isn't truly alive, but yet, he isn't truly dead. |
| MaskedOne02-04-07, 07:07 PM | He's stuck in scattered pieces. Barring foolish meddling, clones with attitude escaping me or our fragments of the Momentary One (LK and KtM) pulling an annoying surprise out of their hat, Karsus will probably stay stuck. |
| Karsus the Mad02-04-07, 07:20 PM | -Psst...Lord Karsus is alive and doing fine, thank you very much...:shifty: -Oddly enough, I disagree with my mad counterpart. I like to think that Karsus is not dead. He cannot be revived though, don't get me wrong. He's in a libo-like state, where he isn't truly alive, but yet, he isn't truly dead. 'Dead' wasn't the best of words. I should have said "not alive". |
| DreamStalker02-04-07, 07:23 PM | It could have been worse. You could have been stuck with godhood. |
| Lord Karsus02-04-07, 08:39 PM | It could have been worse. You could have been stuck with godhood. -Infinite Power...but, itty-bitty living space... |
| ZolDarklock02-04-07, 11:44 PM | Quote: " I think he's far more interesting and useful as a symbolic reminder of what happens when even the most powerful of mortals stick their noses into things they shouldn't." hmmmm, so you think mortals should not be allowed to try and understand how things work, seems the ToT debacle showed that even the divine powers act the same way, just on a bigger scale... a mortal can snap his finger and become a god in an instance, and take the power to become a god from the most powerful god known...seems to me, the so-called gods ain't all that |
| Lord Karsus02-04-07, 11:49 PM | a mortal can snap his finger and become a god in an instance, and take the power to become a god from the most powerful god known...seems to me, the so-called gods ain't all that -Well, it wasn't that easy. Took years and years of preparation, gathering my/our components, and writing the thing. Plus, most mortals simply aren't strong enough to handle casting the spell. I/We was/were, though. -Anyway, the Realms are a polythesitic world. In all polythestic cultures, divine powers are not fully omniscient and omnipotent. Western society is based on Judeo-Christian philosophy and religion. We see G-d as a fully omnipotent and fully omniscient being. In polytheistic cultures, this is not the case. Look at the Greek, Roman and Vedic pantheons. Said deities are certainly not all-powerful and all-knowing. The nature of a multi-deific pantheons is such that the deities cannot be omniscient and omnipotent. |
| Red_Wizard02-05-07, 12:26 AM | -Infinite Power...but, itty-bitty living space... Absolute cosmic Power...get your disney quotes right :P |
| Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron02-05-07, 12:31 AM | Wow, you and Red Wizard should get together. :P As far as a horde taking them out, its been tried and failed, and I think their particular brand of 'natural' magic would serve them well in a plague situation. Maybe a divine plague? Or a couple of Nukes. Or better yet how about the Red Wizards stop fighting each other and gang up on them with the Pharaoh! |
| Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron02-05-07, 12:37 AM | -Infinite Power...but, itty-bitty living space... What’s wrong with Godhood? The spell would have worked he just chose the wrong Goddess as a target. Somebody go back in time and correct him! Yeah the Green Reagent story line did allow him to pass on. He is probably a larva in the Abyss somewhere with a pitchfork up his ass! Or maybe limbo since he was mad!! |
| Lord Karsus02-05-07, 12:37 AM | Absolute cosmic Power...get your disney quotes right :P -Infinite power...Absolute cosmic power...What's the difference? :P |
| Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron02-05-07, 01:03 AM | -Infinite power...Absolute cosmic power...What's the difference? :P The location! |
| Karsus the Mad02-05-07, 10:05 AM | Quote: " I think he's far more interesting and useful as a symbolic reminder of what happens when even the most powerful of mortals stick their noses into things they shouldn't." hmmmm, so you think mortals should not be allowed to try and understand how things work, seems the ToT debacle showed that even the divine powers act the same way, just on a bigger scale... I never said that now did I? Given that it failed stupendously (most likely a result of choosing the wrong deity) shows that we didn't fully understand all the possible outcomes. In retrospect, spending only 10 years on the spell seems to have been the major mistake:P In other words, a person doesn't need to stick their head in a fussion reactor to try and understand how it works:) |
| Lord Karsus02-05-07, 01:21 PM | What’s wrong with Godhood? The spell would have worked he just chose the wrong Goddess as a target. Somebody go back in time and correct him! -There's nothing wrong with Godhood...Anyway, I/We would have perished no matter what deity we picked. I/We tried to work around that part of the spell, but I/We just couldn't get around it. I/We would have been a glorious martyr for the Netherese people, had Mystryl not ended her existence, and our connection. |
| MaskedOne02-05-07, 01:31 PM | I never said that now did I? Given that it failed stupendously (most likely a result of choosing the wrong deity) shows that we didn't fully understand all the possible outcomes. In retrospect, spending only 10 years on the spell seems to have been the major mistake:P In other words, a person doesn't need to stick their head in a fussion reactor to try and understand how it works:) 10 years on divinity theft? How long would it have taken your focused effort to find alternate methods of handling the phaerimm? That being my normal great grudge against this little Karsus as martyr scheme. If he can steal power from a Greater Goddess for six hours then why couldn't he have found far less drastic methods to oppose the phaerimm in less time than it took to create the Avatar spell? The only half benevolent explanation I can think of is some very peculiar blind spots in his understanding. |
| Lord Karsus02-05-07, 01:38 PM | 10 years on divinity theft? How long would it have taken your focused effort to find alternate methods of handling the phaerimm? -Eh, probably a year or so. But, that's not the point...;) That being my normal great grudge against this little Karsus as martyr scheme. If he can steal power from a Greater Goddess for six hours then why couldn't he have found far less drastic methods to oppose the phaerimm in less time than it took to create the Avatar spell? The only half benevolent explanation I can think of is some very peculiar blind spots in his understanding. -If you know anything about us by now, Masked One, you know that we are extravagant. When Karsus enters the building, every knows. When Karsus has exited the building, everyone knows. We simply got a little carried away...and, well, you know what happened next. We're also have a addictive and obsessive personality. To paraphrase a wise Jedi, once we started down a particular path, it consumed us. |
| Stigger02-05-07, 03:13 PM | Oddly remniscent of symptoms of certain STD's that come to mind... kinda like the Pepper King. |
| Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron02-05-07, 10:23 PM | -Eh, probably a year or so. But, that's not the point...;) -If you know anything about us by now, Masked One, you know that we are extravagant. When Karsus enters the building, every knows. When Karsus has exited the building, everyone knows. We simply got a little carried away...and, well, you know what happened next. We're also have a addictive and obsessive personality. To paraphrase a wise Jedi, once we started down a particular path, it consumed us. Maybe Karsus always had Multiple personality disorder. |
| Karsus the Mad02-05-07, 10:39 PM | -There's nothing wrong with Godhood...Anyway, I/We would have perished no matter what deity we picked. I/We tried to work around that part of the spell, but I/We just couldn't get around it. I/We would have been a glorious martyr for the Netherese people, had Mystryl not ended her existence, and our connection. And we had no choice. TSR simply had to have their scapegoat to explain why modern FR uses the magic system of DnD:weep: 10 years on divinity theft? Eh, eh. Divinity borrowing. How long would it have taken your focused effort to find alternate methods of handling the phaerimm? ?Hmmm? What phaerimm:thinks: OH, those:lightbulb Oddly remniscent of symptoms of certain STD's that come to mind... kinda like the Pepper King. More like heavy magic poisoning actually. Heavy magic is described as a silvery liquid afterall...maybe it's akin to mercury poisoning? We do have a slight resemblence to the classical mad hatter afterall:crazy: :looloo: :tiphat: |
| Lord Karsus02-05-07, 11:19 PM | And we had no choice. TSR simply had to have their scapegoat to explain why modern FR uses the magic system of DnD:weep: -Everyone needs a scapegoat...Well, at least we got some divinity out of it all... |
| Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron02-06-07, 03:52 AM | -Everyone needs a scapegoat...Well, at least we got some divinity out of it all... If reassembled Karsus might qualify as a Hero deity. Devine level 0 with no portfolio in the service of whatever God decides to put him together. Shar, Mystra, or Azuth. Maybe you and Velsheroon could buddy up non of the other Gods like him either.:D |
| Lord Karsus02-06-07, 09:04 AM | Maybe you and Velsheroon could buddy up non of the other Gods like him either.:D -I/We don't like Velsharoon, either. |
| Karsus the Mad02-06-07, 10:16 AM | -I/We don't like Velsharoon, either. He smells funky and has horrid table manners. Then again, being Karsus, I'm sure we could find a use for the bag of bones. Like sucking his divine essence to kickstart our own ascension. Hey, if a 'not too bright' Talos can do it, it shouldn't be difficult with our supra genius intellect. |
| Red_Wizard02-06-07, 10:57 AM | I fully support the removal of Velsharoon from the pantheon.....So long as when you regain power, you don't forget the friendly Neighborhood Red Wizard, and maybe accidentally make it easier to remove certain people of mediocre importance within Thay. ;):P |
| Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron02-06-07, 05:51 PM | I fully support the removal of Velsharoon from the pantheon.....So long as when you regain power, you don't forget the friendly Neighborhood Red Wizard, and maybe accidentally make it easier to remove certain people of mediocre importance within Thay. ;):P I vote for a Thay controlled Thay! When is Tam going to take that place over! |
| Karsus the Mad02-06-07, 06:06 PM | I vote for a Thav controlled Thay! When is Tam going to take that place over! Tam already has:plotting: He just doesn't flaunt it:cool: |
| Lord Karsus02-07-07, 12:03 AM | He smells funky and has horrid table manners. -Indeed. There was this one time we invited him, Azuth and Savras over for dinner. Mystra still wasn't talking to us. Anyway, KtM slaved away for hours in the kitchen, cooking up a nice, big italian dinner. Velsharoon never bothered to tell us that, being a Lich, he didn't eat. But, he wanted to be "polite", so he ate the meatballs, anyway. Of course, having no internal organs, the meatballs simply fell from his neck, through his ribcage, on onto the white carpet. That stain didn't come out for days...:mad: |
| MaskedOne02-07-07, 12:29 AM | Mystra was in a snit at the time. I had told that if she was going save that twit from Talos then it needed to be housebroken and have basic transmutation shoved down its throat. The twit got uppity when Azuth informed it of the same and ruined the weather in Dweomerheart for a few seconds. Mystra got irate and pretty much everyone left. Well after Azuth blocked my way out so I'd be stuck trying to talk her down. Something about being less likely to assault fragile mortals, ignoring that I've beaten Velsh over the head with a mountain and Mystra knows it. |
| Red_Wizard02-07-07, 11:23 AM | Tam already has:plotting: He just doesn't flaunt it:cool: I'm hoping this is what the new series will cover. ;) |
| MTLBiceps02-08-07, 08:06 PM | Hahahaha! You guys crack me up... I'm trying to picture the dinner in my mind and I cant stop laughing! :D MTLBiceps |
| Karsus the Mad02-08-07, 08:08 PM | Hahahaha! You guys crack me up... I'm trying to picture the dinner in my mind and I cant stop laughing! :D MTLBiceps That's one of the verifications:) If a Karsus doesn't make you laugh, then it's not an original. |
| BrennonGoldeye02-10-07, 09:48 PM | Orrrr...A miniture giant space hampster, traveling the world in the company of a stalwart Rashemi berserker, silently biding his time until he can once more restore Netheril to it's new hampstery glory :P This pays for that steam cleaning Red.:rofl: I see history insinuation in the future. :teach: By the way, a vodka tonic will get the meatball sauce off the carpet. |
| Red_Wizard02-11-07, 11:56 AM | Good, cause i'm broke otherwise :P |
| Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron02-14-07, 05:43 PM | -Everyone needs a scapegoat...Well, at least we got some divinity out of it all... some, but not enough to stay alive! |
| BrennonGoldeye02-14-07, 09:18 PM | I must send a letter about lowering the daily calories allowed to posters. A theory huh? Think of it as an upgrade.;) |
| Karsus the Mad02-14-07, 11:09 PM | some, but not enough to stay alive! Alive enough to post on an internet message board:pbbbtt: :cool: |
| Lord Karsus02-14-07, 11:56 PM | -Exactly. Life is relative to the individual. |
| ShadezofDis02-15-07, 01:47 PM | As an aside, it wasn't just the Phaerimm that was the problem, it was also that Desert that just kept on growing. :) (well, you also have to add in the overwhelming arrogance, but I think that's given since it's the big K we're talkin about here *g*) |
| Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron02-15-07, 04:25 PM | As an aside, it wasn't just the Phaerimm that was the problem, it was also that Desert that just kept on growing. :) (well, you also have to add in the overwhelming arrogance, but I think that's given since it's the big K we're talkin about here *g*) Not to insult you, but the Phaerimm deliberately created the life draining magic that created the desert. They wanted to kill the Nations food supply. |
| Karsus the Mad02-15-07, 08:47 PM | As an aside, it wasn't just the Phaerimm that was the problem, it was also that Desert that just kept on growing. :) (well, you also have to add in the overwhelming arrogance, but I think that's given since it's the big K we're talkin about here *g*) Is it arrogance when a mage is superior?:cool: Not to insult you, but the Phaerimm deliberately created the life draining magic that created the desert. They wanted to kill the Nations food supply. Lets not forget the magic-drain spells also. |
| BrennonGoldeye02-16-07, 08:05 AM | Not to insult you, but the Phaerimm deliberately created the life draining magic that created the desert. They wanted to kill the Nations food supply. Crafy critters they are. Still remind me of giant mutant bugle chips though.:D |
| Lord Karsus02-16-07, 11:54 AM | Crafy critters they are. Still remind me of giant mutant bugle chips though.:D -You know, that was what I first thought of to when I was introduced to them, in the Return of the Archwizards Trilogy. A cross between bugles and windsocks. :) |
| Karsus the Mad02-16-07, 05:11 PM | Hmmm...bugles...I miss those... Incidentally, when I first saw the picture in NEoM, I thought of a tape worm. |
| Xamo'das02-16-07, 06:28 PM | Is it arrogance when a mage is superior?:cool: Arrogance is - by definition - not pride (which can be justifiable by being exceptional or "superior"), but overbearing/insulting-others-with-your pride, so the answer would be "It certainly could be". EDITED |
| Karsus the Mad02-16-07, 10:08 PM | Arrogance is - by definition - not pride (which can be justifiable by being exceptional or "superior"), but overbearing/insulting-others-with-your pride, so the answer would be "It certainly could be". EDITED Well, arrogance is in his portfolio:D |
| Xamo'das02-16-07, 10:14 PM | Well, arrogance is in his portfolio:D Heh, you've got a point there! :D |
| gratzu02-17-07, 12:13 PM | And we had no choice. TSR simply had to have their scapegoat to explain why modern FR uses the magic system of DnD:weep: Eh, eh. Divinity borrowing. ?Hmmm? What phaerimm:thinks: OH, those:lightbulb More like heavy magic poisoning actually. Heavy magic is described as a silvery liquid afterall...maybe it's akin to mercury poisoning? We do have a slight resemblence to the classical mad hatter afterall:crazy: :looloo: :tiphat: That's a really neat idea! I think I'll steal it. |
| ShadezofDis02-17-07, 06:02 PM | Not to insult you, but the Phaerimm deliberately created the life draining magic that created the desert. They wanted to kill the Nations food supply. Ummm. . . that's the point. He needed to beat them and to reverse the effects of their magic. Not one or the other, both, thus he needed quite a bit of oomph. The problems with the nation of Nethril were many, you needed multiple solutions, or one REALLY BIG solution. Karsus, being who he was, chose the latter. :) So. . . I don't really feel insulted at all :) |
| Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron02-22-07, 01:37 AM | Ummm. . . that's the point. He needed to beat them and to reverse the effects of their magic. Not one or the other, both, thus he needed quite a bit of oomph. The problems with the nation of Nethril were many, you needed multiple solutions, or one REALLY BIG solution. Karsus, being who he was, chose the latter. :) So. . . I don't really feel insulted at all :) There was an Arcanist that found a way to reverse the Life Draining effects on the land, but she got killed. Someone else’s experiment going bad. She was killed right about the time she said Eureka! Yes Karsus was kind of slow when it came to problem solving. The kind of guy that would use a Flying Enclave to swat a fly! |
| MarkusTay6302-22-07, 01:50 AM | Karsus wasn't the only one. I think the Netherese invented the term 'Overkill'. :P |
| Stigger02-22-07, 01:53 AM | Why use a sling when you can use a nuke... join the Netherese Arcane Forces today. |
| Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron02-22-07, 02:14 AM | Karsus wasn't the only one. I think the Netherese invented the term 'Overkill'. :P Yes I think they did! Gods bless their greedy little hearts. Oh wait they wouldn’t want the Gods blessing. Oh well into the Faithless wall with the lot of them! :D :D :P |
| Stigger02-22-07, 02:30 AM | lol, nice turn of phrase there |
| ShadezofDis02-22-07, 10:40 AM | There was an Arcanist that found a way to reverse the Life Draining effects on the land, but she got killed. Someone else’s experiment going bad. She was killed right about the time she said Eureka! Yes Karsus was kind of slow when it came to problem solving. The kind of guy that would use a Flying Enclave to swat a fly! Since I'm unaware of that story I can't really comment but I'd have to ask; Did Karsus know she found a solution? If not then it wouldn't really effect what Karsus was up to anyhow. Further, I'm not sure that Karsus would believe that someone else could come up with a solution better than his solution. Karsus wasn't really slow in the way I think of someone being slow, I think of him in a sorta "Texan" way (no offense to you Texans out there *g*), ie. everything has to be BIG. He's not going to go to a party, he's going to bring a better party to the party. He's not going to kill Phaerimm one at a time, he's going to end the life of the species in one go! He sure would use a Flying Enclave to swat a fly, and that fly would be DEAD! I imagine he was horribly abnoxious (I'm glad he's/they've mellowed out in his/thier old age *g*) but I also imagine that NO ONE told him that :) Further, I'm pretty sure he's the only mortal to beat a god (note: the ToT defeats don't count, first off, in . . . I think all the cases there was devine power in the attacks, ie. Godslayer was Mask, Midnight has Mystra's backing. . . I might be wrong because it's been a dogs age since I've thought about those events but the second reason it doesn't count is the gods were in mortal form. Next, the "dark three" don't count either, they didn't beat Jergal, he gave up. There may be cases that I'm unaware of though.) and he beat a god straight out. Wupped the Goddess of Magic with magic. There was a reason for Karsus' arrogance and that's because he's probably the best, most powerful, mage to grace the face of FR (again, to my knowledge, but he beat out a god at the god's own game and I can't really see a reason for the Goddess of Magic to let him do that, which means to me that he forced the issue) Phew, I believe I'm gonna shut up now ;D |
| GothicDan02-22-07, 10:44 AM | The fact that Mystra was able to sacrifice herself and destroy the Weave (affect it, despite Karsus's spell) proved that the spell really didn't work COMPLETELY. If you truly control someone's mind, for instance, they shouldn't be able to commit suicide. So I do not think that he whooped her with magic. He merely made things difficult. |
| Karsus the Mad02-22-07, 11:05 AM | There was an Arcanist that found a way to reverse the Life Draining effects on the land, but she got killed. Someone else’s experiment going bad. She was killed right about the time she said Eureka! She finalized the spell moments before Karsus cast his Karsus's Aro...Avatar spell. Yes Karsus was kind of slow when it came to problem solving. The kind of guy that would use a Flying Enclave to swat a fly! Well...yeah know, if you got it, might as well use it. Did Karsus know she found a solution? If not then it wouldn't really effect what Karsus was up to anyhow. Further, I'm not sure that Karsus would believe that someone else could come up with a solution better than his solution. Noone knew as far I'm aware of. I imagine he was horribly abnoxious (I'm glad he's/they've mellowed out in his/thier old age *g*) but I also imagine that NO ONE told him that His personality can be gleamed from his writeup in Netheril, and he was beyond abnoxious. Ed also gave an insight into his mind in Temptations of Elminster The Image of Karsus recorded for his clone (from The Temptation of Elminster): The image wore robes of rich crimson trimmed with black, and golden rings gleamed on its fingers...their hue matched by the blazing gold of the man's eyes. He had tousled brown hair and the untidy beginnings of a beard, and his voice fairly leaped with eager confidence. "I am Karsus, as you are Karsus. If you behold this, disaster has befallen me, the first Karsus...and you, the second, must carry on to glory." "I know not what you recall of my... our...life, some say my mind is less than clear, these days. Know that many mages of our people have achieved great power, mightiest of these, the archwizards of Netheril, rule their own domains. Mine, like many, is a floating city, I named it for us. I am the most powerful of all the archwizards, the Arcanist Supreme. They call me Karsus the Great." "Of course, given your awakening, none of that may mean anything. I may not have been slain by a rival or suffered a purely personal doom...Karsus the city and the glory of Netheril itself may have fallen in a great war or cataclysm, we have made many foes, the greatest of them ourselves. We war among ourselves, we Netherese, and some of us war within ourselves. My wits are not always wholly my own. You may well share this affliction, watch for it, and guard against it." The image of Karsus smiled, arching a sardonic eyebrow. "Perhaps you'll have no need of these recording spells of mine, but I've prepared one for each speculum you see on the floor in this place, a series of spellcasting lessons, lest you face the perils of this world lacking certain enchantments I've found crucial. Our work must continue, only through power absolute can I...we...find perfection... and Karsus exists, has always existed, to achieve perfection and transform all Toril." And of course noone told him that to his face:) You don't go telling the chap with a nuke between his thighs (and who is crazy enough to use it) that he's an idiot moron self centered egomaniac. Wupped the Goddess of Magic with magic. There was a reason for Karsus' arrogance and that's because he's probably the best, most powerful, mage to grace the face of FR (again, to my knowledge, but he beat out a god at the god's own game and I can't really see a reason for the Goddess of Magic to let him do that, which means to me that he forced the issue) I always did find that odd. He used magic to overcome the deity of magic. There's a hint as to how it may have been possible in Mystryl's deity writeup. It states she could not have been affected by any but the most powerful of magics, which did not draw on the weave, but instead bypassed it to dip directly into her divine essence. The fact that Mystra was able to sacrifice herself and destroy the Weave (affect it, despite Karsus's spell) proved that the spell really didn't work COMPLETELY. If you truly control someone's mind, for instance, they shouldn't be able to commit suicide. Since the spell had nothing to do with controlling the mind of a deity, and that Mystryl couldn't stop the effect of the spell, shows rather clearly she did not have any type of control whatsoever over magic, or any of her portfolio. Killing herself was the only thing she could do to severe Karsus's link to her. And without any contingency plans or backups, or even any foresight, it was a rash thing to do, despite being needed. It was a lose/lose situation. She chose the least worse option. So I do not think that he whooped her with magic. He merely made things difficult. Hard choices often have two possibilities. Succeed, or fail and make things worse. Hard and stupid choices usually make things worse several times over. Then again, everything happened the way it did, and Karsus is the way he was for a reason. Speculating on alternatives, and speculating on deeper meaning into his mind (or Mystryl's), while occassionally fun, is ultimately fruitless. |
| GothicDan02-22-07, 11:12 AM | I guess that's why Mystryl and Karsus were both CN... ;) 1st Mystra = My fav. |
| ShadezofDis02-22-07, 12:45 PM | The fact that Mystra was able to sacrifice herself and destroy the Weave (affect it, despite Karsus's spell) proved that the spell really didn't work COMPLETELY. If you truly control someone's mind, for instance, they shouldn't be able to commit suicide. So I do not think that he whooped her with magic. He merely made things difficult. And I'm of the opinion that any mortal making a god commit suicide in order to stop that mortal from accomplishing their goal has "whooped" that god. :) Especially when they are using a tool that the god has so much control over. ie. I look at it a lot like mini-me taking a linebacker's hand and slapping them in the face with it, just so happens this linebacker could blow up their house ;) (probably a bad analogy, but I like it *g*) Then again, everything happened the way it did, and Karsus is the way he was for a reason. Speculating on alternatives, and speculating on deeper meaning into his mind (or Mystryl's), while occassionally fun, is ultimately fruitless. True dat. However, if we didn't engage in fruitless discussion these boards would be just about dead ;D |
| bykov102-22-07, 01:57 PM | There was a reason for Karsus' arrogance and that's because he's probably the best, most powerful, mage to grace the face of FR Karsus is the most *infamous* powerful mage. He has the final fall of an empire tied to his name. I know this may be borderline blasphemy with all the Karsi running around these boards, but just because he is the most infamous of the era, does not by default make him the most powerful. Bykov. |
| GothicDan02-22-07, 02:09 PM | To me, Larloch was always cooler and more powerful. He was a Netherese Archmage, too, who survived the fall seemingly with almost no downside, and has been steadily increasing his knowledge and breadth of magic since. |
| Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron02-22-07, 02:28 PM | To me, Larloch was always cooler and more powerful. He was a Netherese Archmage, too, who survived the fall seemingly with almost no downside, and has been steadily increasing his knowledge and breadth of magic since. I think Ioulaum has them both beat. What did Karsus ever do for Netheril? Ioulaum defeated Orc hoards and created magic that benefited all the people. Ioulaum was not only a better mage he was a better person. I would argue that Ioulaum could smack the taste out of Lorlocks mouth in a one on one fight. Of course if he brings his hoard of lich buddies then Ioulaum is screwed.:cool: |
| Lord Karsus02-22-07, 02:30 PM | I know this may be borderline blasphemy with all the Karsi running around these boards, but just because he is the most infamous of the era, does not by default make him the most powerful. Bykov. -Consider yourself a target now. My wrath shall come, and it shall be oh so swift. Beware...:P -Anyway, I was the most powerful arcanist. Me and Ioulaum were both 41st level. The fact that Ioulaum was an old stooge, and I was still spry at the time would lead one to believe that, if given enough time, I would have surpassed him, too, and would have been in a league of my own. |
| GothicDan02-22-07, 02:33 PM | You WERE given enough time. You just used it stupidly. One's actions are as much an indicator of one's eventual power as one's level at a given time... ;) The thought of Karsus actually being an autistic savant is pretty cool, though. I imagine the audio episode of Dr. Who, "The Holy Terror"... |
| Lord Karsus02-22-07, 02:35 PM | You WERE given enough time. You just used it stupidly. One's actions are as much an indicator of one's eventual power as one's level at a given time... ;) -Enough time, as in being able to have lived as long as Ioulaum was, at the time. |
| GothicDan02-22-07, 02:44 PM | Well, he COULD have had that time, couldn't he? |
| bykov102-22-07, 02:54 PM | -Consider yourself a target now. My wrath shall come, and it shall be oh so swift. Beware...:P :waits: -Anyway, I was the most powerful arcanist. Me and Ioulaum were both 41st level. The fact that Ioulaum was an old stooge, and I was still spry at the time would lead one to believe that, if given enough time, I would have surpassed him, too, and would have been in a league of my own. ....you would have played women's baseball??? :uh-huh: ....huh, go figure. Bykov. |
| Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron02-22-07, 02:55 PM | You WERE given enough time. You just used it stupidly. One's actions are as much an indicator of one's eventual power as one's level at a given time... ;) The thought of Karsus actually being an autistic savant is pretty cool, though. I imagine the audio episode of Dr. Who, "The Holy Terror"... I could see Karsus being afflicted with several psychological disorders. I mean he collected special friends. That’s sounds like something a mentally disabled person would do if they had the power. Think Anthony from the Twilight Zone! You know the omnipotent little boy holding his family and neighbors hostage for pure entertainment purposes! |
| ShadezofDis02-22-07, 03:24 PM | Karsus is the most *infamous* powerful mage. He has the final fall of an empire tied to his name. I know this may be borderline blasphemy with all the Karsi running around these boards, but just because he is the most infamous of the era, does not by default make him the most powerful. Bykov. So. . . name me how many mages have stolen a gods power? Much less using a tool that the god should be able to respond to? Because that's the measure I'm using, not how wide spread the name is. |
| Stigger02-22-07, 05:06 PM | Well, I did it last week, but being the god of coffee wasn't as exciting as I thought it would be, so I gave it back... :D Ermmm... a better point would be that Ioloumwhatshisface never developed a 12 level spell... a feat that to my knowledge solely belongs to Karsus. Okay, so he screwed himself beyond belief with it, but the fact remains that he pulled it off when no one else had. |
| Karsus the Mad02-22-07, 05:08 PM | Karsus is the most *infamous* powerful mage. He has the final fall of an empire tied to his name. I know this may be borderline blasphemy with all the Karsi running around these boards, but just because he is the most infamous of the era, does not by default make him the most powerful. Bykov. Having an empire's fall tied to someones name isn't a measure of weakness (or of greatness) nor is he the only one. It's a consequence of stupidity by those who have the power to cause such. He is noted however, in any source that bothers to specify something as trivial as how 'powerful' something is, as being the most powerful mortal to have ever existed. And I agree with it. Not because my username is Karsus the Mad, or because he was ultra powerful. I agree with it because that's his purpose in Lore. He was meant to be the most powerful mage to ever exist. He was meant to push the boundaries of magic beyond anyone's understanding. He was meant to make the biggest mistake of all. He was meant to be a lesson to arrogant and foolhardy mages that no matter how powerful you are, there are consequences. But most of all, he's a story character used to explain in-game why FR uses the current rule set governing magic. He's not even originally FR either. He was a Netherese Archmage, too, who survived the fall seemingly with almost no downside, and has been steadily increasing his knowledge and breadth of magic since. As many others have. |
| MaskedOne02-22-07, 05:42 PM | -Consider yourself a target now. My wrath shall come, and it shall be oh so swift. Beware...:P How many targets do you have by now? Keep expanding this list and the attacks are going to be redirected at Shar simply because I'm gonna run out Faerrunian landscape that I want to remodel.:) |
| Lord Karsus02-22-07, 05:47 PM | How many targets do you have by now? Keep expanding this list and the attacks are going to be redirected at Shar simply because I'm gonna run out Faerrunian landscape that I want to remodel.:) -Oh, don't worry. I don't do the dirtywork anymore. I have a bunch of "enforcers", the Hands of Karsus, to do my dirty work for me. I am fairly sure that they employ far less...conspicuous means than I. ;) |
| MaskedOne02-22-07, 05:56 PM | Which means I'm probably on restriction in dealing with them and major landscape work will be frowned upon. All the downsides of not grabbing that abjuration portfolio, tsk, tsk. Mystra and Azuth actually expect restraint. Well that and the pesky agreements with Corellon and Chauntea that guarantee that keep Shar from finding me. Would one of the hands happen to have a split personality disorder? Odd sort, wanders around with a sign saying We are the Hands of Karsus. |
| bykov102-22-07, 06:17 PM | So. . . name me how many mages have stolen a gods power? Much less using a tool that the god should be able to respond to? Because that's the measure I'm using, not how wide spread the name is. I think that is exactly what we are talking about. Most NPC's dead, alive, or hermetically sealed generally have one thing in common.....fame/infamy. Could not a competing mage have been working on a similar effect without the FAME of Karsus. Karsus was the first, possibly jumping the gun due to competition. After the Karsus fiasco, if anyone knew of the competitors work, he would have been sacked (deity or not). Karsus received the reknown for going first, not for having the best plan of execution. Bykov. |
| bykov102-22-07, 06:23 PM | Having an empire's fall tied to someones name isn't a measure of weakness (or of greatness) nor is he the only one. It's a consequence of stupidity by those who have the power to cause such. He is noted however, in any source that bothers to specify something as trivial as how 'powerful' something is, as being the most powerful mortal to have ever existed. And I agree with it. Not because my username is Karsus the Mad, or because he was ultra powerful. I agree with it because that's his purpose in Lore. He was meant to be the most powerful mage to ever exist. He was meant to push the boundaries of magic beyond anyone's understanding. He was meant to make the biggest mistake of all. He was meant to be a lesson to arrogant and foolhardy mages that no matter how powerful you are, there are consequences. But most of all, he's a story character used to explain in-game why FR uses the current rule set governing magic. He's not even originally FR either. Don't get me wrong. Karsus is a great example. I take the identification of Karsus as the most powerful, known mage. Now this takes it out of canon, so it may be moot in your eyes now. But to say that no other being existed on Toril of greater power, ever, would be naive. Karsus' infamy is a great example of what should happen to PC's should they get too froggy, and thus the citing. Bykov. |
| bykov102-22-07, 06:30 PM | So. . . name me how many mages have stolen a gods power? BTW, I know of 2 that attempted. Karsus & Roland the Blue. Bykov. |
| Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron02-22-07, 06:54 PM | Which means I'm probably on restriction in dealing with them and major landscape work will be frowned upon. All the downsides of not grabbing that abjuration portfolio, tsk, tsk. Mystra and Azuth actually expect restraint. Well that and the pesky agreements with Corellon and Chauntea that guarantee that keep Shar from finding me. Would one of the hands happen to have a split personality disorder? Odd sort, wanders around with a sign saying We are the Hands of Karsus. Abjuration portfolio? Oh what do you speak? |
| Karsus the Mad02-22-07, 07:13 PM | BTW, I know of 2 that attempted. Karsus & Roland the Blue. Bykov. Not to burst your bubble, but we did steal a gods power, thank ye very much. So do us the respect of removing us from the list of "attempted". |
| Stigger02-22-07, 07:29 PM | Well, factually it is correct to say that you did attempt it. Just add in the caveat that you were the one who actually succeeded in it. ;) |
| Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron02-22-07, 07:42 PM | Well, factually it is correct to say that you did attempt it. Just add in the caveat that you were the one who actually succeeded in it. ;) For a few seconds at best. But good try! |
| MaskedOne02-22-07, 08:05 PM | Abjuration portfolio? Oh what do you speak? Shrug, An archmage willing to go toe to toe with a power even one such as Karsus is well served by having a path to divinity. It'd take a day or three and the side effects are not fun but as far as I know the portfolio of abjuration is open and with a little effort can be aquired. Or did you think Velsharoon was the only one who knew a route to divinity? |
| Karsus the Mad02-22-07, 09:55 PM | Well, factually it is correct to say that you did attempt it. Just add in the caveat that you were the one who actually succeeded in it. so long as that's noted, I, in my 1/3 tripartite, have no problem. But do not (any poster) claim that we, Karsus, failed. Our spell functioned 100% correctly. We were just dumb to choose Mystryl as our target..... Yeah...Where's my beer? Or did you think Velsharoon was the only one who knew a route to divinity? given that that stinky bastard, who required being manipulated by the pantheonic retard (Talos) could actually achieve deityhood (smells like a giant turd) without outside retard help, and NOT notice that his divine sexual organ is being sucked in order to provide power to the Realmsian equal of 'Numbnuts toilet cleaner' Talos, YES I think there were other options...but that's just my opinion.... |
| Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron02-23-07, 03:06 AM | Shrug, An archmage willing to go toe to toe with a power even one such as Karsus is well served by having a path to divinity. It'd take a day or three and the side effects are not fun but as far as I know the portfolio of abjuration is open and with a little effort can be aquired. Or did you think Velsharoon was the only one who knew a route to divinity? Why abjuration? Why not Enchantment?:confused: |
| ShadezofDis02-23-07, 11:37 AM | I think that is exactly what we are talking about. Most NPC's dead, alive, or hermetically sealed generally have one thing in common.....fame/infamy. Could not a competing mage have been working on a similar effect without the FAME of Karsus. Karsus was the first, possibly jumping the gun due to competition. After the Karsus fiasco, if anyone knew of the competitors work, he would have been sacked (deity or not). Karsus received the reknown for going first, not for having the best plan of execution. Bykov. Of course anyone can create a more powerful mage than Karsus, of course Nethril may have had dozens of mages of greater power that we don't know about, of course the elves may have all been better magic wielders than Karsus and we just haven't been told. From what I know of the Realms though, Karsus still stands supreme. I mean, if I were "DMing" the event (ie. if it was my canon to develope as I saw fit) I would make the main reason Karsus did succeed be other gods interfering with Mystrl be the reason Karsus succeeded. But, since I can't produce anything canon myself (at this time :p) then I have to fall back on what I know and I know that Karsus just stole godhood from a god using that god's very own tool. The level of power required to do that is beyond my comprehension. I mean, we're not talking someone beat up an avatar. No, he stole her godhood, with a spell. I'll have to see what I can find out about Roland the Blue and see if I can't find the rise of Velsharoon to see if I find either of them compairable but as it stands I don't know of any non-divine being (ie. a being who cannot grant spells, please note that I firmly believe that Kezef could grant spells if he chose to grant them) who took out a god. |
| Lord Karsus02-23-07, 12:27 PM | From what I know of the Realms though, Karsus still stands supreme...I know that Karsus just stole godhood from a god using that god's very own tool. The level of power required to do that is beyond my comprehension. -I like that attitude. May I interest you in a job? :) ...and see if I can't find the rise of Velsharoon to see if I find either of them compairable... -Velsharoon was "given" divinity, in DR 1369, I believe. Might have been DR 1367. Either way, he was "given" divinity by Talos, who had uncovered an ancient method of apotheosis. The main reason Talos did this was to "leech" Velsharoon's power, as to make himself stronger. |
| ShadezofDis02-23-07, 12:48 PM | -I like that attitude. May I interest you in a job? :) Well, if my "job" finds out how much I think d&d rather than making money then I might just be in the market for one ;D -Velsharoon was "given" divinity, in DR 1369, I believe. Might have been DR 1367. Either way, he was "given" divinity by Talos, who had uncovered an ancient method of apotheosis. The main reason Talos did this was to "leech" Velsharoon's power, as to make himself stronger. Oh, alright, I think I do remember reading a bit about that. Ok, after a double check in faiths and pantheons I have to say that Velsharoon was no where close to the big K. Once I find out a bit more about Roland then I can comment there :) |
| Lord Karsus02-23-07, 01:42 PM | Well, if my "job" finds out how much I think d&d rather than making money then I might just be in the market for one ;D -The job generally entails slaying my enemies. You get a pretty good medical, dental and eye plan, plus a lot of overtime opportunities. |
| MaskedOne02-23-07, 01:51 PM | Not to mention the joy of dodging or eating portions of Toril's geography. I think I'm gonna borrow from Thay next. |
| ShadezofDis02-23-07, 01:59 PM | -The job generally entails slaying my enemies. You get a pretty good medical, dental and eye plan, plus a lot of overtime opportunities. Ohhhhh, overtime, I like me some overtime and from what I've seen on here that's no empty boast ;D |
| Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron02-23-07, 06:29 PM | -The job generally entails slaying my enemies. You get a pretty good medical, dental and eye plan, plus a lot of overtime opportunities. What would be Shadezofdis’s job title? Toady? Grand henchmen? Thug number 1? LOL |
| MaskedOne02-23-07, 08:45 PM | Why abjuration? Why not Enchantment?:confused: The ability to break, twist, negate and otherwise hamper annoying works of art along with the other defensive capacities are more useful to me than mind tricks. Shrug, Advantage of not being a true specialist is that enchantment is still an option. I just happen to use other forms specifically abjuration far more. I can pull tricks with abjuration that will humiliate just about any non-divinity caster with the possible exception of Ioulaum and he is only a possible exception. |
| Lord Karsus02-23-07, 11:34 PM | Ohhhhh, overtime, I like me some overtime and from what I've seen on here that's no empty boast ;D -Yep. So, what do you say? What would be Shadezofdis’s job title? Toady? Grand henchmen? Thug number 1? LOL -No, no. He would be a Hand of Karsus...:emp: |
| BrennonGoldeye02-24-07, 08:37 AM | -No, no. He would be a Hand of Karsus... He can be the left hand.;) |
| ShadezofDis02-24-07, 09:01 AM | He can be the left hand.;) This concern really needs to be addressed before I can really commit to the wonderful position of "Hand of Karsus" (and a further, was Karsus righty, lefty or ambi?). Unless. . . unless you're using "Hand of" in a more . . . figurative stance. ;) |
| Karsus the Mad02-24-07, 04:57 PM | Actually, if I have a say in it (and I believe I do, if I understand the Karsi Contract), I (as one of the Karsi) say no. Frankly, I don't appreciate being insulted by myself (not you LK):P |
| Lord Karsus02-24-07, 06:12 PM | Unless. . . unless you're using "Hand of" in a more . . . figurative stance. ;) -Yes, yes, it is being used figurativley. Actually, if I have a say in it (and I believe I do, if I understand the Karsi Contract), I (as one of the Karsi) say no. Frankly, I don't appreciate being insulted by myself (not you LK):P -Don't worry, we're not consuming them or anything. As I mentioned to the Masked One, the Hands of Karsus are our..."proxies". They do the things that we really don't have time to bother with ourselves, like pwning upstart posters, as Brennon has already demonstrated. In fact, that is one of his Proxy abilties- Pwn Newbs. -I figure, have them do our work gives us more time to party, and do all of those other things that we two-thirds do. :D |
| MarkusTay6302-24-07, 06:20 PM | Are you're 'Hands' anything like Konshu's 'Fist of Konshu' from Marvel Comics Moonknight character? I like that concept, and I may just use it. :D |
| Lord Karsus02-24-07, 07:05 PM | Are you're 'Hands' anything like Konshu's 'Fist of Konshu' from Marvel Comics Moonknight character? I like that concept, and I may just use it. :D -I've never read that comic, so I have no clue. ;) -What a sorry bunch of geeks/nerds you all are!! A PP to the first one who can tell me what group the Hands of Karsus are based off of. It's an easy one...Come on...:cool: |
| boards02-25-07, 12:08 AM | Given the robed smilie I'm gonna go for the Emporers Hands of Star Wars Fame;) |
| Lord Karsus02-25-07, 12:23 AM | Given the robed smilie I'm gonna go for the Emporers Hands of Star Wars Fame;) -Excellent. That only took, what, five hours? :rolleyes: -Here's your PP. Don't lose it. ;) |
| Mirashira02-26-07, 03:22 AM | yay always thought that the imperial march would be karsus' main theme ^^ he just lacks the asthma to breathe as heavy as the big V |
| ShadezofDis02-26-07, 10:12 AM | -Yes, yes, it is being used figurativley. Sweet, I'm in then. :) Phew, you leave the boards for a weekend and it's catch up for hours on monday morn. ;) |
| Lord Karsus02-26-07, 12:25 PM | Sweet, I'm in then. :) -Rise, Lord ShadezofDis...:emp: |
| Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron02-26-07, 03:04 PM | -I like that attitude. May I interest you in a job? :) -Velsharoon was "given" divinity, in DR 1369, I believe. Might have been DR 1367. Either way, he was "given" divinity by Talos, who had uncovered an ancient method of apotheosis. The main reason Talos did this was to "leech" Velsharoon's power, as to make himself stronger. Talos uncovered the method of accession? Or Velsharoon uncovered the method with the aid of Talos? |
| ShadezofDis02-26-07, 03:32 PM | Talos uncovered the method of accession? Or Velsharoon uncovered the method with the aid of Talos? In Faiths and Pantheons it states that Velsharoon "discovered" a method laid forth by Talos to become a divine power. This is not a new thing for Talos, he's been up to the "get a mortal to become a god so's I can exploit them" gambit for ages. Velsharoon is just the most recent one. The . . . exceptional (if you can call it that) thing about Velsharoon is he's managed to survive, by switching his allegence to Azuth (and Mystra, but I believe he only really deals with Azuth). Apparently he's been flirting with Shar to see if he can't switch camps again. Anyhow, he was a renegade red wizard who's main rival was Tam. I guess when he was cowering under a rock he found a book that laid out Talos' trap. (that's a bit of a tongue in cheek statement, I'm not sure how he discovered Talos' method) |
| Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron02-26-07, 03:42 PM | In Faiths and Pantheons it states that Velsharoon "discovered" a method laid forth by Talos to become a divine power. This is not a new thing for Talos, he's been up to the "get a mortal to become a god so's I can exploit them" gambit for ages. Velsharoon is just the most recent one. The . . . exceptional (if you can call it that) thing about Velsharoon is he's managed to survive, by switching his allegence to Azuth (and Mystra, but I believe he only really deals with Azuth). Apparently he's been flirting with Shar to see if he can't switch camps again. Anyhow, he was a renegade red wizard who's main rival was Tam. I guess when he was cowering under a rock he found a book that laid out Talos' trap. (that's a bit of a tongue in cheek statement, I'm not sure how he discovered Talos' method) I was just questioning the accuracy of Karsus’s statement. |
| ShadezofDis02-26-07, 03:52 PM | I was just questioning the accuracy of Karsus’s statement. Ummm. . . and I was just answering the questions I saw. . . are they answered? Do you have more questions? |
| Lord_Lucien_Karsus_Necron02-26-07, 04:37 PM | Yeah you’re good. They were more rhetorical anyway. |
| Mirashira02-26-07, 05:20 PM | this thread gets better and better every day *evil grin* by the way - anyone has more infos about Velsharoon ? Knows where i can find them ? just PM me so we can stay on topic :) |
| Lord Karsus02-26-07, 06:26 PM | by the way - anyone has more infos about Velsharoon ? Knows where i can find them ? just PM me so we can stay on topic :) -Eh, it's somewhat relevant. Anyway, information about Velsharron comes from a few main sources. There are only three, as far as I can remember: Powers & Pantheons, a 2e sourcebook Faiths and Pantheons, a 3e sourcebook Magic of Faerûn, a 3e sourcebook |
| ShadezofDis02-27-07, 10:54 AM | In the "Faiths and Pantheons - Do's and Dont's" (I think it'd downloadable from the Wizards site) it states that Velsharoon has a monk order as well. Otherwise I'm not finding anything else :) |
| irishwerewolf502-27-07, 11:02 AM | Why does this entire thread seem oddly akin to Elvis sightings threads? (not that ive been to those :noway: ) Irish ;) |
| BrennonGoldeye02-28-07, 09:53 PM | Why does this entire thread seem oddly akin to Elvis sightings threads? (not that ive been to those :noway: ) Irish ;) They are both dead but not gone? Just my guess.:) |
| MarkusTay6302-28-07, 10:36 PM | "Elvis isn't dead son, he just went home." --- kay |