Mulhorand and Unther. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Mulhorand and Unther. [Archive] - Wizards Community

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DraconsNighthawk
09-20-07, 05:33 PM I am a bit confused about these two countries. Both were made after the Mulan managed to bring their gods, (The Mulhorandi pantheon) to Toril, and destroyed the Imaskaris. My question is, why did they go to war with each other, forming the two countries. If both were once slaves, and they followed the same gods, why did they hate and kill each other?
Suin Bahhar
09-20-07, 05:38 PM The Untheric (mesopotamian) people had their own gods (Gilgeam,Marduk,Innana,etc) different from the other slave race the Mulhorandi (egyptian) and their Mulhorandi gods (Ra, Horus, Isis, etc)
Old Sage
09-20-07, 07:20 PM I suggest you take a look at the pantheons for both realms, as they're detailed in Powers & Pantheons. That'll help you to understand a little more about the history between them. You'll find a little more in both Power of Faerūn and Dragons of Faerūn as well. And the "War Upon the Sands" article in DRAGON #358.
DraconsNighthawk
09-20-07, 07:47 PM I was not aware that Unther had it's own pantheon. I must have misread that part.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
09-20-07, 08:11 PM Also, two groups of people with a similar history can still grow to hate each other over time.
MerrikCale
09-20-07, 09:06 PM Also, two groups of people with a similar history can still grow to hate each other over time.

and often do
MarkusTay63
09-20-07, 10:18 PM I was not aware that Unther had it's own pantheon. I must have misread that part.Technically, three pantheons migrated from D&D Earth (at that time), but the Sumerian and Babylonian merged to form the Untherian Pantheon. Mulhorand use a Realmsified version of the Pharaonic Pantheon found in DD.
Borris
09-20-07, 11:44 PM Also note that at this point in the timeline, most of the deities from the original Untheric pantheon have either been killed or went back to Earth. Today, only Tiamat and Assuran (now mostly known as Hoar) remain, and both are now members of the Faerūnian pantheon.
BadCatMan
09-21-07, 02:05 AM Anu is still kicking around in the Shining Lands and the Utter East as well. :D
Chloramantis
09-24-07, 10:09 AM What about Marduk/Bahamut?
Shemeska the Marauder
09-24-07, 10:41 AM Additionally, not all members of both pantheons established a divine presence on Toril. Ptah never did, and Anubis had already undergone his apotheosis into the Guardian of Dead Gods by that point. Plus, a number of them who Toril considered "dead", just lost their connection to that world but still have followers across multiple other worlds in the cosmos at large (Nergal being perhaps the posterboy of this).
Old Sage
09-24-07, 11:21 AM Anubis, as the "Guardian of the Dead Gods," presents a unique case in terms of relations with the FR cosmology in 3e. As it is... I wouldn't think he'd have much purchase in the Realms nor with the Mulhorandi pantheon, because we know Anubis 'ascended' [by giving up his divinity] to achieve his unique divine position before the Mulhorandi pantheon had properly established themselves in Faerūn.

If there is a Realms Anubis, it's possible that he/it would still be divorced from the actual conception of Anubis as in the core D&D cosmology... an Realmsian interpretation for the Great Tree could be just as applicable... and could have developed [or rather come to be] after the Mulhorandi pantheon gained influence in Realmspace.

Another possibility is... if the Mulhorandi pantheon came from elsewhere, and we know they still did, there's no reason some variation of Anubis didn't get dragged along as well. For example, Ptah never made it to the mainland of Toril, but was worshipped by Faerūnian Spelljammers, and was instrumental in helping the Mulhorandi pantheon make their move. Anubis could have a very similar story.
MarkusTay63
09-24-07, 03:03 PM Additionally, not all members of both pantheons established a divine presence on Toril. Ptah never did...Sage beat me to the punch -

For example, Ptah never made it to the mainland of Toril, but was worshipped by Faerūnian Spelljammers, and was instrumental in helping the Mulhorandi pantheon make their move. Anubis could have a very similar story.Ptah is a Spelljammer god, and therefore does have a presence in Realmspace, hence his awareness of the 'kidnapped' mortals plight and eventual intervention on their behalf.

Anubis, on the other hand, its a wonderful 'open-end' that I prefer not being covered in canon sources. I have developed some lore about his 'underground following' in Mulhorand, and I would think other DMs would prefer that certain things be left open for their own interpretations as well. :)
Suin Bahhar
09-25-07, 11:09 AM What alignment is Anubis as a god in Core D&D?
Would he side with Set if he could overthrow Horus-Re?
MarkusTay63
09-25-07, 11:19 AM In 1e he was lawful Good
In 3e he is Lawful Neutral

Strangely, he is conspicuously absent from 2e Legends & Lore.

Now I know why the designers left him out of Realms Lore - they only used the D&D reference when they wrote the fluff for 2e, rather then doing their own research.

Talk about compounding mistakes. :rolleyes:
Shemeska the Marauder
09-25-07, 11:21 AM What alignment is Anubis as a god in Core D&D?
Would he side with Set if he could overthrow Horus-Re?

Originally he was LG, though this might have changed after his transformation into the Guardian of Dead Gods. That said, he doesn't really have any lingering interest in affairs outside of his self-appointed duty in the Astral, but I can't see him helping Set in that way either in his original form or now. He was on good terms with Set's estranged wife Nephthys, so his original relationship with Set was probably about the same as how the rest of their pantheon treated him: as an outcast.

Of note, the Anubis presented in 3e D&DG is a wierd standalone thing with zero connection to the Egyptian pantheon as presented within the 1e/2e/3e D&D multiverse (and also questionable connection to the real life mythology it claims to be based on). I don't recall what alignment they gave him there in that book, but it's not relevant here anyway.
Suin Bahhar
09-25-07, 11:26 AM So could Anubis as the guardian of the dead gods in the astral allow divine resurrection of all gods killed in the near future of the realms? Noice!

Maybe he would be very hard to persuade to step away from his duties.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
DraconsNighthawk 09-20-07, 05:33 PM	I am a bit confused about these two countries. Both were made after the Mulan managed to bring their gods, (The Mulhorandi pantheon) to Toril, and destroyed the Imaskaris. My question is, why did they go to war with each other, forming the two countries. If both were once slaves, and they followed the same gods, why did they hate and kill each other?
Suin Bahhar 09-20-07, 05:38 PM	The Untheric (mesopotamian) people had their own gods (Gilgeam,Marduk,Innana,etc) different from the other slave race the Mulhorandi (egyptian) and their Mulhorandi gods (Ra, Horus, Isis, etc)
Old Sage 09-20-07, 07:20 PM	I suggest you take a look at the pantheons for both realms, as they're detailed in Powers & Pantheons. That'll help you to understand a little more about the history between them. You'll find a little more in both Power of Faerūn and Dragons of Faerūn as well. And the "War Upon the Sands" article in DRAGON #358.
DraconsNighthawk 09-20-07, 07:47 PM	I was not aware that Unther had it's own pantheon. I must have misread that part.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 09-20-07, 08:11 PM	Also, two groups of people with a similar history can still grow to hate each other over time.
MerrikCale 09-20-07, 09:06 PM	Also, two groups of people with a similar history can still grow to hate each other over time. and often do
MarkusTay63 09-20-07, 10:18 PM	I was not aware that Unther had it's own pantheon. I must have misread that part.Technically, three pantheons migrated from D&D Earth (at that time), but the Sumerian and Babylonian merged to form the Untherian Pantheon. Mulhorand use a Realmsified version of the Pharaonic Pantheon found in DD.
Borris 09-20-07, 11:44 PM	Also note that at this point in the timeline, most of the deities from the original Untheric pantheon have either been killed or went back to Earth. Today, only Tiamat and Assuran (now mostly known as Hoar) remain, and both are now members of the Faerūnian pantheon.
BadCatMan 09-21-07, 02:05 AM	Anu is still kicking around in the Shining Lands and the Utter East as well. :D
Chloramantis 09-24-07, 10:09 AM	What about Marduk/Bahamut?
Shemeska the Marauder 09-24-07, 10:41 AM	Additionally, not all members of both pantheons established a divine presence on Toril. Ptah never did, and Anubis had already undergone his apotheosis into the Guardian of Dead Gods by that point. Plus, a number of them who Toril considered "dead", just lost their connection to that world but still have followers across multiple other worlds in the cosmos at large (Nergal being perhaps the posterboy of this).
Old Sage 09-24-07, 11:21 AM	Anubis, as the "Guardian of the Dead Gods," presents a unique case in terms of relations with the FR cosmology in 3e. As it is... I wouldn't think he'd have much purchase in the Realms nor with the Mulhorandi pantheon, because we know Anubis 'ascended' [by giving up his divinity] to achieve his unique divine position before the Mulhorandi pantheon had properly established themselves in Faerūn. If there is a Realms Anubis, it's possible that he/it would still be divorced from the actual conception of Anubis as in the core D&D cosmology... an Realmsian interpretation for the Great Tree could be just as applicable... and could have developed [or rather come to be] after the Mulhorandi pantheon gained influence in Realmspace. Another possibility is... if the Mulhorandi pantheon came from elsewhere, and we know they still did, there's no reason some variation of Anubis didn't get dragged along as well. For example, Ptah never made it to the mainland of Toril, but was worshipped by Faerūnian Spelljammers, and was instrumental in helping the Mulhorandi pantheon make their move. Anubis could have a very similar story.
MarkusTay63 09-24-07, 03:03 PM	Additionally, not all members of both pantheons established a divine presence on Toril. Ptah never did...Sage beat me to the punch - For example, Ptah never made it to the mainland of Toril, but was worshipped by Faerūnian Spelljammers, and was instrumental in helping the Mulhorandi pantheon make their move. Anubis could have a very similar story.Ptah is a Spelljammer god, and therefore does have a presence in Realmspace, hence his awareness of the 'kidnapped' mortals plight and eventual intervention on their behalf. Anubis, on the other hand, its a wonderful 'open-end' that I prefer not being covered in canon sources. I have developed some lore about his 'underground following' in Mulhorand, and I would think other DMs would prefer that certain things be left open for their own interpretations as well. :)
Suin Bahhar 09-25-07, 11:09 AM	What alignment is Anubis as a god in Core D&D? Would he side with Set if he could overthrow Horus-Re?
MarkusTay63 09-25-07, 11:19 AM	In 1e he was lawful Good In 3e he is Lawful Neutral Strangely, he is conspicuously absent from 2e Legends & Lore. Now I know why the designers left him out of Realms Lore - they only used the D&D reference when they wrote the fluff for 2e, rather then doing their own research. Talk about compounding mistakes. :rolleyes:
Shemeska the Marauder 09-25-07, 11:21 AM	What alignment is Anubis as a god in Core D&D? Would he side with Set if he could overthrow Horus-Re? Originally he was LG, though this might have changed after his transformation into the Guardian of Dead Gods. That said, he doesn't really have any lingering interest in affairs outside of his self-appointed duty in the Astral, but I can't see him helping Set in that way either in his original form or now. He was on good terms with Set's estranged wife Nephthys, so his original relationship with Set was probably about the same as how the rest of their pantheon treated him: as an outcast. Of note, the Anubis presented in 3e D&DG is a wierd standalone thing with zero connection to the Egyptian pantheon as presented within the 1e/2e/3e D&D multiverse (and also questionable connection to the real life mythology it claims to be based on). I don't recall what alignment they gave him there in that book, but it's not relevant here anyway.
Suin Bahhar 09-25-07, 11:26 AM	So could Anubis as the guardian of the dead gods in the astral allow divine resurrection of all gods killed in the near future of the realms? Noice! Maybe he would be very hard to persuade to step away from his duties.