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Nobility in Faerun [Archive] - Wizards Community

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uchiha2836
03-12-07, 06:37 PM Is there anywhere which lists the nobility structure of the Realms, specifically in Waterdeep and Silverymoon. I am specifically looking for the titles that would be used to address lower vs. higher nobility. Lord and Lady are always good, but not very structurally deliniating or class specific except to say nobility of some kind. How do you distinguish between upper and lower ranks of nobility withing the structure.
Ashathar
03-12-07, 07:51 PM Though it's not much help, Lord and Lady suffice 99% of the time in our games. High Lady or High Lord typically for those of the highest position in a noble family or organization.
dragonheart
03-12-07, 08:43 PM WHile Cormyr has "levels" of Nobility Waterdeep especially hasno official levels - your family is either one of the noble families or it it isn't - see the Waterdeep book and its web accessory for details. Similarly silverymoon has no major categories of nobility. There are elves from noble elven families but their nobility is not based on status in Silverymoon and for humans its fairly limited as well - perhaps a few old houses that have been serving for years and knights created each generation from "commoners" more to recognize worthy deeds than anything else. so lord/lady for the and sir for the knights ( yes I know there should be a female form but we are stuck with terms from a male dominated culture).
Old Sage
03-12-07, 09:16 PM uchiha, take a look through the 'Order in the Court' and 'King of the Road' sections from Power of Faerūn and through Ed's various replies at Candlekeep, since he's dealt with the topic of nobility in the Realms on occasion.

See also, 2e's City of Splendors, and Eric's 3e City of Splendors: Waterdeep tome for more on the structure of the nobility for Waterdeep. Ed and Elaine's CoS novel also provides some useful tidbits.
421
03-12-07, 09:40 PM So saith Ed
March 27, 2004

"Many nobles from elsewhere visit Silverymoon, but its past history of abuses by those in power has aided Alustriel in making sure that there are no true nobles or ruling merchants or merchant families."

Just check on candlekeep.
uchiha2836
03-12-07, 10:05 PM Thanks- I'm going to check this out right away. Thanks
The Ubbergeek
03-19-07, 11:04 AM I know that for Cormyr, it's very close to typical western european feudality, so, King, Baron, Duke, etc...
Khaelieth
03-19-07, 11:24 AM Your eminence and your majesty.
Perun
03-19-07, 05:34 PM so lord/lady for the and sir for the knights ( yes I know there should be a female form but we are stuck with terms from a male dominated culture).

Isn't dame the feminine form of sir? As in dame Judy Dench?
admdavid
03-19-07, 05:58 PM Yes, Dame is what a "knighted" female goes by.
ravennight
03-22-07, 11:50 PM Well, technically, sir is a shortened version of 'sire', I believe, as a term of respect rather than royalty, and so I think a lady knight could be a 'sir' also, sort of like Myrmeen Lhal is the Lady Lord of Arabel, or was.
NaeraBlueshadow
03-24-07, 07:46 PM i dont know if this helps or not but here is the ranking of brittish nobility from high to low.

King/Queen
Prince/Princess
Duke
Earl aka Count
Viscount
Baron
Baronet
Knight

also note that Lord and Lady are general terms of address used up to about Viscount frome there each rank has its own addres ie an Earl is caled your Grace. there are also some sub levels inbetween each of these but these are the major ones i hope it helps
NaeraBlueshadow
03-24-07, 07:48 PM Well, technically, sir is a shortened version of 'sire', I believe, as a term of respect rather than royalty, and so I think a lady knight could be a 'sir' also, sort of like Myrmeen Lhal is the Lady Lord of Arabel, or was.

Sire refers to a ruler usually a King. Sir is a prefix used for knights call a king sir and you could lose your head.
bitter thorn
03-25-07, 10:54 PM Well, technically, sir is a shortened version of 'sire', I believe, as a term of respect rather than royalty, and so I think a lady knight could be a 'sir' also, sort of like Myrmeen Lhal is the Lady Lord of Arabel, or was.

...or was?! Did I miss something from a novel?
Heretic Apostate
03-27-07, 11:42 PM ...or was?! Did I miss something from a novel?

Warning: Spoilers
http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Myrmeen_Lhal

Edit: Discusses events in novels, but events are background for gaming materials. I am not a regular on the boards, but I think this doesn't violate ban on discussion of novels?
bitter thorn
03-28-07, 12:00 PM Unless I'm missing something she is still the Lady Lord of Arabel in DR1374.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
uchiha2836 03-12-07, 06:37 PM	Is there anywhere which lists the nobility structure of the Realms, specifically in Waterdeep and Silverymoon. I am specifically looking for the titles that would be used to address lower vs. higher nobility. Lord and Lady are always good, but not very structurally deliniating or class specific except to say nobility of some kind. How do you distinguish between upper and lower ranks of nobility withing the structure.
Ashathar 03-12-07, 07:51 PM	Though it's not much help, Lord and Lady suffice 99% of the time in our games. High Lady or High Lord typically for those of the highest position in a noble family or organization.
dragonheart 03-12-07, 08:43 PM	WHile Cormyr has "levels" of Nobility Waterdeep especially hasno official levels - your family is either one of the noble families or it it isn't - see the Waterdeep book and its web accessory for details. Similarly silverymoon has no major categories of nobility. There are elves from noble elven families but their nobility is not based on status in Silverymoon and for humans its fairly limited as well - perhaps a few old houses that have been serving for years and knights created each generation from "commoners" more to recognize worthy deeds than anything else. so lord/lady for the and sir for the knights ( yes I know there should be a female form but we are stuck with terms from a male dominated culture).
Old Sage 03-12-07, 09:16 PM	uchiha, take a look through the 'Order in the Court' and 'King of the Road' sections from Power of Faerūn and through Ed's various replies at Candlekeep, since he's dealt with the topic of nobility in the Realms on occasion. See also, 2e's City of Splendors, and Eric's 3e City of Splendors: Waterdeep tome for more on the structure of the nobility for Waterdeep. Ed and Elaine's CoS novel also provides some useful tidbits.
421 03-12-07, 09:40 PM	So saith Ed March 27, 2004 "Many nobles from elsewhere visit Silverymoon, but its past history of abuses by those in power has aided Alustriel in making sure that there are no true nobles or ruling merchants or merchant families." Just check on candlekeep.
uchiha2836 03-12-07, 10:05 PM	Thanks- I'm going to check this out right away. Thanks
The Ubbergeek 03-19-07, 11:04 AM	I know that for Cormyr, it's very close to typical western european feudality, so, King, Baron, Duke, etc...
Khaelieth 03-19-07, 11:24 AM	Your eminence and your majesty.
Perun 03-19-07, 05:34 PM	so lord/lady for the and sir for the knights ( yes I know there should be a female form but we are stuck with terms from a male dominated culture). Isn't dame the feminine form of sir? As in dame Judy Dench?
admdavid 03-19-07, 05:58 PM	Yes, Dame is what a "knighted" female goes by.
ravennight 03-22-07, 11:50 PM	Well, technically, sir is a shortened version of 'sire', I believe, as a term of respect rather than royalty, and so I think a lady knight could be a 'sir' also, sort of like Myrmeen Lhal is the Lady Lord of Arabel, or was.
NaeraBlueshadow 03-24-07, 07:46 PM	i dont know if this helps or not but here is the ranking of brittish nobility from high to low. King/Queen Prince/Princess Duke Earl aka Count Viscount Baron Baronet Knight also note that Lord and Lady are general terms of address used up to about Viscount frome there each rank has its own addres ie an Earl is caled your Grace. there are also some sub levels inbetween each of these but these are the major ones i hope it helps
NaeraBlueshadow 03-24-07, 07:48 PM	Well, technically, sir is a shortened version of 'sire', I believe, as a term of respect rather than royalty, and so I think a lady knight could be a 'sir' also, sort of like Myrmeen Lhal is the Lady Lord of Arabel, or was. Sire refers to a ruler usually a King. Sir is a prefix used for knights call a king sir and you could lose your head.
bitter thorn 03-25-07, 10:54 PM	Well, technically, sir is a shortened version of 'sire', I believe, as a term of respect rather than royalty, and so I think a lady knight could be a 'sir' also, sort of like Myrmeen Lhal is the Lady Lord of Arabel, or was. ...or was?! Did I miss something from a novel?
Heretic Apostate 03-27-07, 11:42 PM	...or was?! Did I miss something from a novel? Warning: Spoilers http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Myrmeen_Lhal Edit: Discusses events in novels, but events are background for gaming materials. I am not a regular on the boards, but I think this doesn't violate ban on discussion of novels?
bitter thorn 03-28-07, 12:00 PM	Unless I'm missing something she is still the Lady Lord of Arabel in DR1374.