Origin of Evermeet - new thoughts [Archive] - Wizards Community

Origin of Evermeet - new thoughts [Archive] - Wizards Community

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dragonheart
09-23-07, 07:34 PM Reading through the grand history the excerpt on the origin of Evermeet got me thinking about the perils of High magic and their causes and what the "true" origin of evermeet actually might have been.
My theory runs like this:
High magic always has unintended results because it not only taps into the consious dreams and wishes of the casters and other elves involved but also taps into their subconsious and provides for them as well. In the case of evermeet this Produced a really remarkable result that eventhe elves have not tumbled to: their desire for a samctuary is/was rooted in a wish to return to the lost isle of Tintagle in faerie. So when.they cast the spelss of the sundering instead of reaching to arvandor and detaching a piece of it they actually reached through to Faerie and caused the earleir loss of Tintagaele that forced them to migrate in the first place. the reason it seems not to have the dead/wild magic is that it is actually still linked in some ways to Faerie and its magicical energies. So in the ultimate bit of elven irony the elves that migrated actually created the cause of their own forced migration.

Any comments?
Suin Bahhar
09-24-07, 08:54 AM Evermeet was created from the soil of Fearun. The world of Tintageer on the plane of Fearie is not constantly overrun by tsunamis or collosal tidal waves. The destruction of this land was a (nearly) instantaneous cataclysm. The cause of this destruction is not really clear for me either but I guess it was something of a diefic plot of an elder evil (or just a major botch of the Seldarine).
So tapping the energies of Tintageer (if that was the case) was not the problem that caused the Sundering. The tapping of the weave on Fearun (which is stronger than an most worlds) caused the spell to overload and start the tearing of the physical realm of Fearun.
Andyr
09-24-07, 11:57 AM It's been a while since I read it, but I think the novel Evermeet describes it as being akin to a piece of Arvandor taken to the Realms; I've always seen it as being a bit like a Heaven on Earth, if you will, for the elves.
dragonheart
09-24-07, 10:15 PM Indeed the standard story from evermeet and grand history both is that Evermeet is a piece of Arvandor placed in Faerun at the dawn of time by the spell which overloads and causes some major collateral damage. My suggestions is that the elves actually have the story wrong without realizing it. Sicne they don't understand what is behind the unexpected consequences of their high magic they don't always get the story right. It would be an amazing piece of irony indeed if Evermeet was not actually the piece of Arvandor the elves think it is but was actually Their lost island of Tintager from Faerie which was in fact not destroyed by outside causes but was pulled out from under their feet by their own later high magic spell in Faerun. the damage in faerun was indeed done by the backlash from overloading the weave and forcing it to handle a spell in multiple dimensions and times. WHat I was refereing too about the magic of Evermeet was a line in Grand History which suggests that one of the proofs that Evermeet is a piece of arvandoor is that there are no wild or dead magic zones there as there are in the rest of Faerun. This would be equally true if it were a piece of Faerie and retained some links to faerie. This might also explain why their high magic seems to work better in evermeet than it does in the rest of Faerun - they are actually casting from their home plane/world and their "connection" to the magic of the world is original and not mediated by both Corellon and Mystra.
THe idea is that "canon" is simple the story as its known not the reality behind the story and in this case no one actually has the TRUE story :D
Iakhovas
09-25-07, 12:30 AM Facinating line of thought Dragonheart. The event you propose is cyclical and causes a paradox but I quite enjoy the irony in your supposition. Elves as a race seem to be the major characters of a tragedy that spans millennia. Even though they seemingly have the best of intentions, their works of High Magic always seem to bite them in the ass in the long run.
18DELTA
09-25-07, 12:37 AM It's been a while since I read it, but I think the novel Evermeet describes it as being akin to a piece of Arvandor taken to the Realms; I've always seen it as being a bit like a Heaven on Earth, if you will, for the elves.
If Arvandor even exists in 4th edition. New article, thats up about the demons & devils. The abyss is now a scar on the plane of elemental tempest. Wtf:rolleyes: What have they done. I starting to get a bad feeling about this.:confused:
MarkusTay63
09-25-07, 01:17 AM Facinating line of thought Dragonheart. The event you propose is cyclical and causes a paradox but I quite enjoy the irony in your supposition. Elves as a race seem to be the major characters of a tragedy that spans millennia. Even though they seemingly have the best of intentions, their works of High Magic always seem to bite them in the ass in the long run.I agree, excellent train of thought!

That should become canon, it has 'Elven Trajedy' written all over it. They are ALWAYS the cause of their own worst fears. Designers, are you listening? THATS the kind of insightful creativity we want in 4e! :D
Alediran
09-25-07, 11:29 AM I agree, excellent train of thought!

That should become canon, it has 'Elven Trajedy' written all over it. They are ALWAYS the cause of their own worst fears. Designers, are you listening? THATS the kind of insightful creativity we want in 4e! :D

You are asking humans to think like elves. It's a bit too hard for them.

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dragonheart 09-23-07, 07:34 PM	Reading through the grand history the excerpt on the origin of Evermeet got me thinking about the perils of High magic and their causes and what the "true" origin of evermeet actually might have been. My theory runs like this: High magic always has unintended results because it not only taps into the consious dreams and wishes of the casters and other elves involved but also taps into their subconsious and provides for them as well. In the case of evermeet this Produced a really remarkable result that eventhe elves have not tumbled to: their desire for a samctuary is/was rooted in a wish to return to the lost isle of Tintagle in faerie. So when.they cast the spelss of the sundering instead of reaching to arvandor and detaching a piece of it they actually reached through to Faerie and caused the earleir loss of Tintagaele that forced them to migrate in the first place. the reason it seems not to have the dead/wild magic is that it is actually still linked in some ways to Faerie and its magicical energies. So in the ultimate bit of elven irony the elves that migrated actually created the cause of their own forced migration. Any comments?
Suin Bahhar 09-24-07, 08:54 AM	Evermeet was created from the soil of Fearun. The world of Tintageer on the plane of Fearie is not constantly overrun by tsunamis or collosal tidal waves. The destruction of this land was a (nearly) instantaneous cataclysm. The cause of this destruction is not really clear for me either but I guess it was something of a diefic plot of an elder evil (or just a major botch of the Seldarine). So tapping the energies of Tintageer (if that was the case) was not the problem that caused the Sundering. The tapping of the weave on Fearun (which is stronger than an most worlds) caused the spell to overload and start the tearing of the physical realm of Fearun.
Andyr 09-24-07, 11:57 AM	It's been a while since I read it, but I think the novel Evermeet describes it as being akin to a piece of Arvandor taken to the Realms; I've always seen it as being a bit like a Heaven on Earth, if you will, for the elves.
dragonheart 09-24-07, 10:15 PM	Indeed the standard story from evermeet and grand history both is that Evermeet is a piece of Arvandor placed in Faerun at the dawn of time by the spell which overloads and causes some major collateral damage. My suggestions is that the elves actually have the story wrong without realizing it. Sicne they don't understand what is behind the unexpected consequences of their high magic they don't always get the story right. It would be an amazing piece of irony indeed if Evermeet was not actually the piece of Arvandor the elves think it is but was actually Their lost island of Tintager from Faerie which was in fact not destroyed by outside causes but was pulled out from under their feet by their own later high magic spell in Faerun. the damage in faerun was indeed done by the backlash from overloading the weave and forcing it to handle a spell in multiple dimensions and times. WHat I was refereing too about the magic of Evermeet was a line in Grand History which suggests that one of the proofs that Evermeet is a piece of arvandoor is that there are no wild or dead magic zones there as there are in the rest of Faerun. This would be equally true if it were a piece of Faerie and retained some links to faerie. This might also explain why their high magic seems to work better in evermeet than it does in the rest of Faerun - they are actually casting from their home plane/world and their "connection" to the magic of the world is original and not mediated by both Corellon and Mystra. THe idea is that "canon" is simple the story as its known not the reality behind the story and in this case no one actually has the TRUE story :D
Iakhovas 09-25-07, 12:30 AM	Facinating line of thought Dragonheart. The event you propose is cyclical and causes a paradox but I quite enjoy the irony in your supposition. Elves as a race seem to be the major characters of a tragedy that spans millennia. Even though they seemingly have the best of intentions, their works of High Magic always seem to bite them in the ass in the long run.
18DELTA 09-25-07, 12:37 AM	It's been a while since I read it, but I think the novel Evermeet describes it as being akin to a piece of Arvandor taken to the Realms; I've always seen it as being a bit like a Heaven on Earth, if you will, for the elves. If Arvandor even exists in 4th edition. New article, thats up about the demons & devils. The abyss is now a scar on the plane of elemental tempest. Wtf:rolleyes: What have they done. I starting to get a bad feeling about this.:confused:
MarkusTay63 09-25-07, 01:17 AM	Facinating line of thought Dragonheart. The event you propose is cyclical and causes a paradox but I quite enjoy the irony in your supposition. Elves as a race seem to be the major characters of a tragedy that spans millennia. Even though they seemingly have the best of intentions, their works of High Magic always seem to bite them in the ass in the long run.I agree, excellent train of thought! That should become canon, it has 'Elven Trajedy' written all over it. They are ALWAYS the cause of their own worst fears. Designers, are you listening? THATS the kind of insightful creativity we want in 4e! :D
Alediran 09-25-07, 11:29 AM	I agree, excellent train of thought! That should become canon, it has 'Elven Trajedy' written all over it. They are ALWAYS the cause of their own worst fears. Designers, are you listening? THATS the kind of insightful creativity we want in 4e! :D You are asking humans to think like elves. It's a bit too hard for them.