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Dankan 12-30-07, 11:31 AM	Has anyone noticed that some play tested and checked by reak players(correct me if i'm wrong, i'm not sure) NPC's tend to be overpowered compared to their CR's?Obould for example is a CR 10 NPC i think and despite being buffed by Gruumsh he is equal with Driz'zt who is a CR 18 NPC.And Driz'zt himself how could, despite being a lvl 16 character, win a fight alone against a Balor(except if at the current time was the 2ed or 3ed rules)?Ok i understand that those examples are from novels but HELLO there are suppossed to be players who have palyed with those characters.Scullya Darkhope who is only a CR 15 NPC has beaten by herself a Pit Fiend.Are they kidding us?How could she even at the older editions?Is ot just me or other peole have noticed this?I'm curious to hear your opinions;)
Diffan 12-30-07, 01:01 PM	Your correct and I believe the problem is two-fold. First, you have writers who can write the story however they want. It'd be a pretty quick and boring story of Drizzt (the correct spelling) were to just kill Obould right off the bat. Also, the writers are encouraged to stick to the rules of D&D when they write, but it's not always the case. Also, you have to keep in mind natural 20's and natural 1's that are rolled throughout combat. A critical hit when the Pit Fiend's hp are low could signify it's death. It means that though a character's stats says one thing, the writer can write something different and it creates a problem because novels are canon. Second, your pulling statistics from an outdated source, the FRCS. In my opinion, it's incorrect and novels supercede this source because of the edition change to 3.5. For example, Drizzt can't have Ambidexterity because it doesn't exist or the skill Wilderness Lore as well as his equipment has changed since he was statted in the FRCS. My suggestion to you would be to re-stat the NPC's your going to use in your campaign and leave it at that.
Red_Wizard 12-30-07, 01:01 PM	The rules are there to give you an idea of the character, and allow the DM to implement them in their campaigns if they so wish. The novels are meant to be stories, where anything can happen, and a lucky shot can kill even the most powerful beast. This isn't impossible, just for the game who really wants to change the rules so that a natural 20 is instant death, rather than a critical hit? If you look at MMA, and the UFC, you can be the best fighter in the organization and still wind up out cold on the canvas due to a slip, or odd angled punch you just didn't see coming. It doesn't mean that 9 times out of 10 fighter A) won't win, just that on the 9th time, fighter B) rolls a natural 20 with modified rules. ;) As for the stats overall, if anything the NPC's stats are drastically underpowered, compared to a PC of the same level IMO. -RW
Phelf_Der_Zemit 12-30-07, 01:13 PM	Yes I agree with Red_Wizard, the books and stories are two completely different things. You can't compare the two, because if you wanted all the books to go by the gaming rules, nothing exciting would happen. I mean seriously, how many criticals do you think happen in the gaming world compared to the times people are beheaded by Drizzt's scimatares. I mean if Drizzt hadn't beat the balor he would have been dead, and there for about a dozen books, probably more, books would never have happened. There would be riots in the streets.
Dankan 12-31-07, 02:15 AM	I agree with u folks but i think it woulb be best for the writers(especially old and good ones like Salvatore) 2 respect the game.Ok i may find it odd that all this combats have happened the way they have happenes but it is not right.I mean 1 CR 10 NPC cannot be an equal 2 a CR 18 NPC especially as famous and skilled as Drizzt(sry 4 the bad spelling i confused him with Graz'zt:D ), come on lets get serious how many 20's could they have rolled, and if we take it 4 granted they did they should have rolles an equal number of 1s.I don't want 2 ruin the image of ur favorite heroes but IMO they(the writers) should make their novels and works more reallistic.They could make the characters appear like heroes and still doinh a hell of a job but without bringing down the rules.My point is that all this is based on a game so...
Stigger 12-31-07, 02:18 AM	Author Fiat overrules actual ruleset stuff in case you haven't noticed. We are afterall just playing in their sandbox it seems...
Karsus the Mad 12-31-07, 06:12 AM	I agree with u folks but i think it woulb be best for the writers(especially old and good ones like Salvatore) 2 respect the game. No thanks:) I don't want to read what amounts to cliff notes of someone elses game. I'd much rather read a story. They could make the characters appear like heroes and still doinh a hell of a job but without bringing down the rules.My point is that all this is based on a game so... Actually, not really. The game takes place in a fantasy setting. The novels take place in a fantasy setting. It's all based in a fantasy setting:) The fantasy setting itself isn't based on game rules, so I see little reason to force a work of art to fit a mechanical mold that simply isn't capable of supporting, or expressing it to it's fullest. I don't like it when authors attempt to incorporate aspects of the game rules into their novels (it silly-fies it for me). However, at the other end of that spectrum, I also don't like it when authors have their characters do things that are blatantly way outside their capability (it rediculi-fies it for me). Especially when they do so repeatedly.
Lord Karsus 12-31-07, 09:13 AM	I agree with u folks but i think it woulb be best for the writers(especially old and good ones like Salvatore) 2 respect the game. -Salvatore...? Eh heh heh! come on lets get serious how many 20's could they have rolled, and if we take it 4 granted they did they should have rolles an equal number of 1s. -No joke, I rolled six Natural Twentys in a row once. It was pretty amazing. My point is that all this is based on a game so... -The Forgotten Realms are a story first, and a D&D setting second. It has existed as a place for storytelling to be told before D&D, and it will most likely exist as a storytelling medium after D&D.
Alediran 12-31-07, 09:24 AM	-No joke, I rolled six Natural Twentys in a row once. It was pretty amazing. That's nothing, I DMed the Sons of Gruumsh module and when my players (there were only 2 at that time) went against the BBEG not only I rolled natural 1's for all it's sidekicks against a Sleep spell (making them useless in one standar action), but also my players had 2 complete combat rounds where all PCs made confirmed criticals, half of them on a natural 20. The BBEG was toast before doing any single damage to the PCs. It was totally lame :D
Lord Karsus 12-31-07, 09:29 AM	That's nothing, I DMed the Sons of Gruumsh module and when my players (there were only 2 at that time) went against the BBEG not only I rolled natural 1's for all it's sidekicks against a Sleep spell (making them useless in one standar action), but also my players had 2 complete combat rounds where all PCs made confirmed criticals, half of them on a natural 20. The BBEG was toast before doing any single damage to the PCs. It was totally lame :D -Tymora is a fickle mistress.
Zanan 12-31-07, 10:25 AM	Many NPCs of the earlier FR sourcebooks and adventure, including the FRCS and CotSQ were IMHO totally understatted. Abilitywise. Dunno, but I tend to hand my NPCs abilities according to their power level, using 25, 28, 32 point buy or even unique stats. For if they had not been better than the average DMG "rabble", they would not have gained such "power". For power does not only mean more money to spend, feats to select and spells to cast. But that's just me. As for Drizzt ... his FRCS stats are fine, for the novels. Slaying hordes of orc warriors (i.e., the NPC class) does not need epic stats. You can, of course, argue about the frost giants. (We speak about an RAS novel though.) When it comes to the balor, marilith or elite drow fights, you'd have to keep in mind that back then, he was an AD&D drow, much more powerful in various respects than his FRCS sheet says today. Whether RAS had a look at that back than is a question only the author can answer. Most current authors have a clue about the rules and try to keep to them, and thumbs up for that.
Lord Karsus 12-31-07, 10:29 AM	Most current authors have a clue about the rules and try to keep to them, and thumbs up for that. -It's easiest to see this in action with Wizards. Judging by the spells they cast, you can deduce one's relative levels. Martial types, it's much harder.
Phelf_Der_Zemit 12-31-07, 01:51 PM	Very true Lord, My favorite pass time now adays is deducing wizarding levels of part time characters. *CoughQ'yrlandMerlanCough*.
Zanan 01-01-08, 06:37 AM	-It's easiest to see this in action with Wizards. Judging by the spells they cast, you can deduce one's relative levels. Martial types, it's much harder. Well, most novel wizards tend to do very ominous things, such as hurling magic missiles, fireballs and lightning balls. There it usually ends. Only in recent novels, authors have started using the PHB et al a bit more and got inventive with their mages, or clerics. Fighters, well, you may try to discern their abilities by various factors - stuff they need level-based feats for, endurance during an encounter (eating more than one fireball) and the damage they deal with a blow. It is not easy, but in Drizzt's case not that great a problem. Yet, as I said,you have to know whether the author likes to stick to the rules in the first place, and at which time the novel was actually written.
Lord Karsus 01-01-08, 12:42 PM	Well, most novel wizards tend to do very ominous things, such as hurling magic missiles, fireballs and lightning balls. There it usually ends. Only in recent novels, authors have started using the PHB et al a bit more and got inventive with their mages, or clerics. -Most recent novels I can think of invariably have a scene where such and such wizard/cleric casts his/her 'most powerful spell'. Based on what that is, it's fairly easy to guess their relative level. If, for instance, their most powerful spell is a tiny pea-sized flame that explodes a few little after being cast, it's a Delayed Blast Fireball, and only Wizards/Sorcerers level XX can do that. Fighters, well, you may try to discern their abilities by various factors - stuff they need level-based feats for, endurance during an encounter (eating more than one fireball) and the damage they deal with a blow. It is not easy, but in Drizzt's case not that great a problem. -With other martial types, it's a lot harder, because it's difficult to figure out where actual D&D feats/stats come into play, and where poetic license comes into play. It's nowhere near as obvious as spells.
Dankan 01-01-08, 01:13 PM	All that u say is true.One other thing that i've noticed is that most if not all of the characters that appear oi novels are the lvl that are stated in before their adventures and during the novels they don't seem to taiking xp at all. Foe example Elminister is a CR 39 4 almost all of the novels which he appears except The making of a mage and Myth Drannor.The same for Drizzt, Khelben and most of them.They don't take levels, even though the encounters they face during the novels are the most difficult
Lord Karsus 01-01-08, 01:29 PM	-Well, look at Drizzt. He's circa 16th level. He goes up against 1,000 Orcs. A 16th level character doesn't get any EXP for killing CR < 1 creatures. While that's the most obvious and extreme example, all of the others follow suit.
Stigger 01-01-08, 01:39 PM	They do if there are enough of them around actually... sorta. Still not all that much though.
Lord Karsus 01-01-08, 01:50 PM	-Well, either way, the effect is the same.
Stigger 01-01-08, 01:55 PM	Only formula I can recall offhand was Total CR of creatures / average PC level = CR, so (100) CR 1/2 creatures versus (1) PC of level 50 should be considered an even challenge... I think that's how it worked anyway off the top of my head. That might be for Saga though... it's been muddling my brain since I started reading it. :D
Diffan 01-01-08, 01:57 PM	-Well, look at Drizzt. He's circa 16th level. He goes up against 1,000 Orcs. A 16th level character doesn't get any EXP for killing CR < 1 creatures. While that's the most obvious and extreme example, all of the others follow suit. Well, he does gain XP, just very little. Though my version of Drizzt has gained 2 more levels in fighter from all the stuff he did in the Hunter's Blades Trilogy. I also think it's more than just killing orcs, there's his battles with Obould which he would gain XP, his battles with the Frost Giants, and duels with the other Drow.
Lord Karsus 01-01-08, 02:47 PM	I also think it's more than just killing orcs, there's his battles with Obould which he would gain XP, his battles with the Frost Giants, and duels with the other Drow. -I wasn't citing anything specific, like the Hunter's Blade Trilogy. I was just generalizing. I mean, who knows how many random Orcs Drizzt kills in his normal day?
Kenzuki 01-01-08, 04:43 PM	This is how I look at it. Just my opinion of course. Drizzt defeating Errtu to me isn't too surprising considering that it was the power of the magic scimitar, Icingdeath, that actually did the killing. Without that blade the Balor would have made mincemeat out of him. It's the same way a level 7 or so Cyric managed to kill Bhaal, he had a powerful weapon. Another example of this was the death of the demigod Salvetarm who died by being slain by that special sword, (Crescent Blade or something like that.) Secondly, as has already been said these are novels and imho would be very boring it they were confined strictly to the game rules. I mean where is the fun in that? A novel is ment to entertain the reader and if it does that more power to the author. R.A Salvator DOES write entertaining books imho.
Lord Karsus 01-01-08, 05:22 PM	A novel is ment to entertain the reader and if it does that more power to the author. -While, at the same time, staying within the lines of FR/D&D continuity. No green colored dragons breathing fire, etc.
Dankan 01-02-08, 02:16 AM	U r right but look at El, he faced an archdevil and many more in El in Hell, he fought 2 princes of shade and a lich in Return of The Archwizards and he also had beaten the avatar of Bane in Shadowdale!Since his temptation (of Elminister) i think his levels are like the stats in the FRCS he hasn't gained a single lvl isn't that strange?The same could be said for Drizzt, only in the Dark Elf trilogy he seems to be still taking levels and pergaps in IceWind Dale trilogy, as he was cosidered equal to Artemis who i think is a CR 18.Since then he has faced drow close 2 him in power, demons, Entreri muptiple times, giants and dragons.Though RAS admitted that his stats aren't those in the FRCS.Finally Khelben has done the same thing, frome the moment that he has appeared in a novel(which i think was the Songs and Swords), he appears with the same abillities, despite having fought the demons of Myrkul, dragons, a lot of spellcasters, princes of Shade, and phaerims.Especially in Return of the Archwizards he almost died in a battle with phaerimm. Shouldn't he get XP 4 that?The authors should take such matters in mind when they'r wrighting their books
Zanan 01-02-08, 04:07 AM	This is how I look at it. Just my opinion of course. Drizzt defeating Errtu to me isn't too surprising considering that it was the power of the magic scimitar, Icingdeath, that actually did the killing. Without that blade the Balor would have made mincemeat out of him. It's the same way a level 7 or so Cyric managed to kill Bhaal, he had a powerful weapon. Another example of this was the death of the demigod Salvetarm who died by being slain by that special sword, (Crescent Blade or something like that.). We won't speak about the circumstances of Selvetarm's death, as this was - essentially - way beyond the rules (whatever that sword was) and only possible because of the guidelines the author was given. Errtu and the scimitar-wielder ... yes, he might have dealt some sort of damage to the balor in AD&D while being nigh-immune against all the demon's spells. In 3E/RE, he would have been hopelessly overpowered - by the demon, none of his weapons would have even scratched the balor. R.A Salvator DOES write entertaining books imho. No doubt about that. Same goes for Lisa Smedman.
Lord Karsus 01-02-08, 08:48 AM	Shouldn't he get XP 4 that?The authors should take such matters in mind when they'r wrighting their books -Who says he isn't? What's the difference between a 30th level Wizard, and a 32nd level Wizard? Relativley speaking, nothing. Who's to say that "they" aren't taking these things into account. Elminster has two stats- one published eight years ago (FRCS), and one published...five(?) years ago (ELH). No doubt about that. Same goes for Lisa Smedman. -What exactly is the definition of entertaining, here?
Zanan 01-02-08, 09:26 AM	-What exactly is the definition of entertaining, here? Always depends on the perspective. RAS's for sheer action value (well, exclude that Wulfgar novel and most of the self-confessions). Lisa's because of the details about the e.g. Eilistraeen and Vhaeraunian churches and their characters.
Lord Karsus 01-02-08, 09:28 AM	-Alright, 'cause when I hear Zanon mentioning Lisa Smedman...Well, I know it always isn't going to be pretty. ;)
XHereticX 01-02-08, 09:29 AM	U r right but look at El, he faced an archdevil and many more in El in Hell, he fought 2 princes of shade and a lich in Return of The Archwizards and he also had beaten the avatar of Bane in Shadowdale!Since his temptation (of Elminister) i think his levels are like the stats in the FRCS he hasn't gained a single lvl isn't that strange?The same could be said for Drizzt, only in the Dark Elf trilogy he seems to be still taking levels and pergaps in IceWind Dale trilogy, as he was cosidered equal to Artemis who i think is a CR 18.Since then he has faced drow close 2 him in power, demons, Entreri muptiple times, giants and dragons.Though RAS admitted that his stats aren't those in the FRCS.Finally Khelben has done the same thing, frome the moment that he has appeared in a novel(which i think was the Songs and Swords), he appears with the same abillities, despite having fought the demons of Myrkul, dragons, a lot of spellcasters, princes of Shade, and phaerims.Especially in Return of the Archwizards he almost died in a battle with phaerimm. Shouldn't he get XP 4 that?The authors should take such matters in mind when they'r wrighting their books Calm down man, the authors are only human you know. I should think everything will be clarified in the 4e CS.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 01-02-08, 02:41 PM	-Alright, 'cause when I hear Zanon mentioning Lisa Smedman...Well, I know it always isn't going to be pretty. ;) My feelings are similar to Zanan's. Lisa Smedman always seems to write "page-turners" for me, but in spite of that her recent novels happened to be marred by the WotC-ordered god-killing.
Dankan 01-03-08, 06:42 AM	I also want 2 mention another thing.Have u oticed how NPCs in the novels tend 2 have very few items compared 2 others like them or their story? Only mages seem 2 have a lot of expandable items and they change or create new ites over time.For example Drizzt has stayed with Icingdeath and Twinkle 4 many years and he doesn't acquires any other items, save perhaps his speed enahancers(by the way what item is this?) and Guen's statue.Even when he had Khazidhea a superior weapon he didn't keep it(although Salavatore said that is because he prefers 2 fight with scimitars) but he didn't sold it also. Why do u think is that?Maybe because the authors want the heroe 2 look more realistic and not unbeatable(imo Drizzt is very beatable)I mean since he's such a lengendary figure by now and he has achived alla that he's achieved why doesn't he purchase some new weapons or at least improve his old ones?Even after 100 years he stays with the same weapons.At least Artemis has changed both his weapons into superior more formidable.I think this is happening in other novels 2 but i',m not sure which
Stigger 01-03-08, 06:49 AM	I'd suspect it has more to do with them being signature weapons more than anything else. Artemis had his dagger of course, but really, what would Wulfgar be without his hammer, or Drizzt without his scimitars, or Arilyn without her Moonblade, etcetera and so forth. Certainly its not exactly sensical in the context of the game, particularly with the emphasis of the importance of magical items in 3e, but it does help establish the identity of the character fairly well. Really, it harkens to a very different philosophy in game design than we have with the current edition, which 4e seems to be gearing up to address if the designers are serious about downplaying the importance of magical items to character abilities, so that signature weapons become a viable option for PCs, rather than needing to constantly upgrade them to remain a credible contributor to a party's combat power.
Lord Karsus 01-03-08, 12:09 PM	I also want 2 mention another thing.Have u oticed how NPCs in the novels tend 2 have very few items compared 2 others like them or their story? -Depends on the character. A PC of mine recently pointed out (ie, complained) that he still has the same masterwork scimitar he's had since 2nd level- he's 7th level now.
Red_Wizard 01-03-08, 12:10 PM	He didn't sell the sword for the same reason novel characters don't loot every place they ransack. One method is a Story concept, and the other is Game. Stories can make a hero do, or lose just about anything, and pull it off with style. In DnD however, you can say what you want to do, and then two natural 1's later, you're looking like an ass, as your query quickly escapes......Again. Personally I'll take the flavour over the rules any day, but that is personal preference I suppose. This said, Wizards is coming dangerously close to losing a long time customer, and the nail in the coffin would be when I open a book to read... "Re-sheathing his Sweet blades, Drizzt casts a weary eye about the disheveled entry room. Quickly scanning the flickering shadows for movement, he at last turns his attention to the true prize, satisfied that all of the Bad guys are dead or dieing. Taking a knee, he sets to ransacking the place for loot. Several cracked barrels later and an overturned matress for good measure, he walks away with the following: Two well oil suits of Full Plate, 150gp in gems, a Clay pot worth roughly 1500gp, 3 deer skins, and a small key made of iron. "Hurry up ye durned Elf" Bruenor called out Angrily "If'n ye keep that up, they'll be miles away afore we catch em". "Hold on my friend, my inventory is full and I would hate to find more treasure in the rooms past this, in turn dropping my movement rate. I am going to jog back to town to sell this stuff if you don't mind, and maybe get that necklace of fireballs I've been eyeing since last level." With the eager grin of a daft child, Drizzt wanders out into the snow, nimbly carrying his entire booty on one shoulder, and leading their adversaries horses with his free hand." "Aye, he's right again" Replies Wulfgar, as he scoops up the table set and follows quickly behind. -RW
Lord Karsus 01-03-08, 12:11 PM	:)
Red_Wizard 01-03-08, 12:12 PM	-Depends on the character. A PC of mine recently pointed out (ie, complained) that he still has the same masterwork scimitar he's had since 2nd level- he's 7th level now. I say roll up a newspaper and hit him violently in the nose for the next 3 months. Then, when his nose can't be broken any further, and the paper still looks like new hold it up and show him how a weapon can still be of use long after it's been acquired. -RW
Lord Karsus 01-03-08, 12:15 PM	I say roll up a newspaper and hit him violently in the nose for the next 3 months. Then, when his nose can't be broken any further, and the paper still looks like new hold it up and show him how a weapon can still be of use long after it's been acquired. -He's a powergamer, who I think now is cheating. Now that I am thinking about it, rolling a 40 for damage with a +1 Rapier on a Sneak Attack (+4d6) with a Strength of +4 seems a bit much.
Red_Wizard 01-03-08, 12:24 PM	Unless it was a critical, it's impossible. Max 35 I believe. 5d6 + 4str + 1 Sword = 30 + 5 = Not 40 :P Even a Critical would only be 42. Don't worry though, you're not alone. I Have seen all manner of intentional and unintentional cheating as both a player and DM. Catch it early though if you don't want your game to be about the numbers. Waiting to long can tear groups apart. -RW
Lord Karsus 01-03-08, 12:31 PM	-Well, I rest my case, then. :mad:
Karsus the Mad 01-03-08, 02:51 PM	Politely inform him that if he cheats again, you'll backhand him. Then backhand him anyway because he'll cheat again regardless of your warning.
Stigger 01-03-08, 02:54 PM	Don't forget to stomp on the bridge of his foot while you're at it... that's always a crowd pleaser. Staple his fingers together while your at it, pain's a great reinforcer for the memory.
Karsus the Mad 01-03-08, 02:58 PM	Finger stapling....that sounds fun to be honest. Kiitos for the idea.
Stigger 01-03-08, 04:15 PM	Anytime. Great thing to do to those pesky high level NPCs too, just to at least nod towards the topic. :D
Kenzuki 01-04-08, 10:04 PM	He didn't sell the sword for the same reason novel characters don't loot every place they ransack. One method is a Story concept, and the other is Game. Stories can make a hero do, or lose just about anything, and pull it off with style. In DnD however, you can say what you want to do, and then two natural 1's later, you're looking like an ass, as your query quickly escapes......Again. Personally I'll take the flavour over the rules any day, but that is personal preference I suppose. This said, Wizards is coming dangerously close to losing a long time customer, and the nail in the coffin would be when I open a book to read... "Re-sheathing his Sweet blades, Drizzt casts a weary eye about the disheveled entry room. Quickly scanning the flickering shadows for movement, he at last turns his attention to the true prize, satisfied that all of the Bad guys are dead or dieing. Taking a knee, he sets to ransacking the place for loot. Several cracked barrels later and an overturned matress for good measure, he walks away with the following: Two well oil suits of Full Plate, 150gp in gems, a Clay pot worth roughly 1500gp, 3 deer skins, and a small key made of iron. "Hurry up ye durned Elf" Bruenor called out Angrily "If'n ye keep that up, they'll be miles away afore we catch em". "Hold on my friend, my inventory is full and I would hate to find more treasure in the rooms past this, in turn dropping my movement rate. I am going to jog back to town to sell this stuff if you don't mind, and maybe get that necklace of fireballs I've been eyeing since last level." With the eager grin of a daft child, Drizzt wanders out into the snow, nimbly carrying his entire booty on one shoulder, and leading their adversaries horses with his free hand." "Aye, he's right again" Replies Wulfgar, as he scoops up the table set and follows quickly behind. -RW This thread is full of win! You get 4/5 stars, with a possible 5th star if you said that Drizzt hearthstoned to Mithral Hall.
Nimor_Imphraezl 01-05-08, 11:03 PM	Not that it's something new he found, but . . . (possible Orc King spoiler) It looks like Drizzt has taken ownership of Taulmaril now that Cattie-Brie is semi-crippled and taking the mage route through life now. He did also take Jack the Gnome's robe that Cattie-brie now uses as an overcoat of whatever.
Lord Karsus 01-06-08, 12:06 AM	Not that it's something new he found, but It looks like Drizzt has taken ownership of Taulmaril now that Cattie-Brie is semi-crippled and taking the mage route through life now. He did also take Jack the Gnome's robe that Cattie-brie now uses as an overcoat of whatever. -Eh? Did you just ruin Orc King for me?
Nimor_Imphraezl 01-06-08, 03:54 AM	Well . . . yes. Kinda. Sorry i've seen this discussed so much in other posts i forgot not everyone spends as much time lurking on these boards and might not have read the book. There's definitely more to The Orc King then just what i included in my last post - Still worth a read if only for the glimpses into the future it provides. Sorry Again though Lord_Karsus!
Dankan 01-06-08, 07:10 AM	I knew that but with Cattie-bree's case wasn't unaccepted.I mean New items of the ones that haven't been introduced before
Lord Karsus 01-06-08, 11:13 AM	Well . . . yes. -Alright, at least I know what's going on, then. ;) Sorry Again though Lord_Karsus! -I predate the necessity of the underscore.
Nimor_Imphraezl 01-06-08, 01:01 PM	-Alright, at least I know what's going on, then. ;) -I predate the necessity of the underscore. Well my bad once again It seems like a lot of people refer to you by LK, looks like i'll be doing the same to save myself any further embarrassment.
Lord Karsus 01-06-08, 01:46 PM	-Eh, that doesn't matter.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 01-06-08, 04:10 PM	Not that it's something new he found, but . . . (possible Orc King spoiler) It looks like Drizzt has taken ownership of Taulmaril now that Cattie-Brie is semi-crippled and taking the mage route through life now. He did also take Jack the Gnome's robe that Cattie-brie now uses as an overcoat of whatever. It's a little early to declare that Catti has "taken the mage route through life" because she hasn't even learned any spells yet.
Nimor_Imphraezl 01-06-08, 04:35 PM	It's a little early to declare that Catti has "taken the mage route through life" because she hasn't even learned any spells yet. I guess that it's not a sure thing yet But at the signing of the treaty she's wearing Jack's robes - robes that i think Drizzt had declined wearing earlier saying something like "these are mage's robes, and not for me." So i'd say that coupled with her apparent awe after using some of the magic devices Alustriel gave her it'd be safe to say that she's at least heavily considering it, if she hasn't started already.
Kenzuki 01-06-08, 07:50 PM	I think the Spellplague is going to pwn Catti-Brie and take her stuff.
Lord Karsus 01-06-08, 07:52 PM	-That is a distinct possibility.