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| Speters051907-20-07, 01:35 PM | Not sure if I spelled that right, however, being the year of the risen elf kin, I was thinking about bringing her back. What do you think her first line of action would be? Just for the sake of curiosity I was wondering what everyone interested would think on it. |
| sleyvas07-20-07, 02:24 PM | Wasn't there a recent short story with the knights of Myth Drannor and the Srinshee? Something where Larloch was trying to take control of the baelnorn to seize control of some Mythals. |
| Faraer07-20-07, 02:29 PM | Yup, see "Tears So White" in Realms of the Elves. |
| Green Elven Vampire07-21-07, 02:33 AM | If you read the Last Mythal trilogy, then you'll see that by 1379 I believe, she awakens from her dormant state to give a certain elf woman a certain artifact once held by a certain Coronal of Myth Drannor. She has already beat you to the mark my friend. |
| msatran07-21-07, 11:12 AM | Yeah, which completely ruins any fun players might have being the one to receive it, or being instrumental in it's release. I call again for a freeze to the FR Timeline, before the world becomes un DMable. Explore the past and give us the richness of the world. There's so much for us to see and learn about. Give the DMs who run games in this world back some control |
| MarkusTay6307-21-07, 11:54 AM | Yes, placing events in the future is the worse case of 'railroading' by authors I have seen thus far. Lets stick to the past, WotC, and leave gamers to determine their future. ;) |
| Fabius Maximus07-21-07, 03:09 PM | Yeah, which completely ruins any fun players might have being the one to receive it, or being instrumental in it's release. I call again for a freeze to the FR Timeline, before the world becomes un DMable. Explore the past and give us the richness of the world. There's so much for us to see and learn about. Give the DMs who run games in this world back some control What hinders you from altering the timeline in your campaign? |
| Faraer07-21-07, 05:34 PM | For those of us familiar with the sources, the cumulative work it takes to account for changes in every sourcebook you use is significant. But the concern is not just about us: for those less fortunate, especially when a new edition subsumes and submerges the last strata of changes, winding them back may require too much involved research to be a practical option, so new DMs are led by default to use a depleted, disrupted version of the setting. |
| Fabius Maximus07-21-07, 06:21 PM | For those of us familiar with the sources, the cumulative work it takes to account for changes in every sourcebook you use is significant. But the concern is not just about us: for those less fortunate, especially when a new edition subsumes and submerges the last strata of changes, winding them back may require too much involved research to be a practical option, so new DMs are led by default to use a depleted, disrupted version of the setting. Which prooves that the FR has a problem with too much background information. There's simply not much room for DM or player creativity. In this case, however, an alteration would not require much change. You can ignore that said elven woman didn't receive the Crown Blade. Maybe she got killed, or refused the honor. In this case, a PC could step up. |
| Faraer07-21-07, 06:54 PM | Which prooves that the FR has a problem with too much background information.The difficulty is in resolving sourcebook information depicting the same place at different times, and events scattered among sourcebooks, novels, and articles. It isn't caused by the amount of information, but the advancing timeline and the resultant staggering of material. Without that factor, how can there be too much information? Not delving deeper than you want to is effortless.There's simply not much room for DM or player creativity.Hundreds or thousands of successful campaigns and publications prove otherwise. Voluminous though it is, published Realmslore is very sparse when spread over the span of leagues and years. |
| Fabius Maximus07-22-07, 08:35 AM | Hundreds or thousands of successful campaigns and publications prove otherwise. Voluminous though it is, published Realmslore is very sparse when spread over the span of leagues and years. Yet there are those here who complain when one deviates from 'official lore'. |
| Steelwind07-22-07, 09:12 AM | I agree, I believe that the last little part of Final Gate should have been left out. This would serve the purpose of leaving it ambiguous, so that the reader could decide who ends up as coronal such as Fflar, Araevin, llsevele, or someones PC and so that it wouldn't be an ABSOLUTE guarantee that the city is reclaimed and its future secured. As for freezing the timeline, if it was going to happen then lets go back to 1369 DR and freeze it there. That way Azoun, Khelben, Halaster, and Sarya are still alive and most of the crap thats happened can be reversed. Im sorry but NPC's , at least major ones, shouldn't be killed off, they should be left for DM's to utilize and PC's to take care of. I have this bad feeling that Piergeiron's next on the list, and shoot they may decide to pluck one or two of the sisters off as well. |
| Faraer07-22-07, 02:22 PM | Yet there are those here who complain when one deviates from 'official lore'.How often, really? And to what negative effect on anyone's campaign? Anyone trying to canon-lawyer their DM or other people's campaigns is doing it directly against the spirit of the Realms, in which "On my word as a sage nothing within these pages is false, but not all of it may prove to be true." |
| Fabius Maximus07-22-07, 07:54 PM | How often, really? And to what negative effect on anyone's campaign? Anyone trying to canon-lawyer their DM or other people's campaigns is doing it directly against the spirit of the Realms, in which "On my word as a sage nothing within these pages is false, but not all of it may prove to be true." It happens often enough. And then there are people like Green Elven Vampire who post what happened 'officially' in a thread like this, just to be smug about it. This has nothing to do with the OP's question, and efficiently stops any discussion about it. |
| dragonheart07-22-07, 08:47 PM | I for one do not want to see the time lime halted or "frozen" WHile I would like them to limit the RSEs to about one every 3 realms years I have no problem with WotC advancing the "history" of the campaign. WHat I would like to see/know (I doubt they would show us but the product designers and authors should be seeing this - it would obviously be covered by theose pesky NDAs:D ) is that WotC has a real timeline planned out with major events and continuity control over what is happening. From the products Ive seen and the way things come out it doesn't feel like they have. lets face it if a comic book company like MArvel or DC can manage to keep continuity with all their runnign stories on a monthly basis it should be possible for WotC to plan for and maintain continuity for their campaigns, products and novels and to make sure that authors (especially) are aware of the continuity lines before and as they write. This is really a basic part of project management when its done right. |
| Lord Karsus07-22-07, 09:08 PM | lets face it if a comic book company like MArvel or DC can manage to keep continuity with all their runnign stories on a monthly basis it should be possible for WotC to plan for and maintain continuity for their campaigns, products and novels and to make sure that authors (especially) are aware of the continuity lines before and as they write. This is really a basic part of project management when its done right. -That is a good point. |
| sleyvas07-23-07, 10:44 AM | Putting some spoiler space, even though I'm betting everyone's read these "spoilers": While my heart aches every time a major character dies, I have to say at the same time that if they're going to represent the realms as a real place.... stuff happens. For instance, I was in real world about the age of 16 when I learned that Sylune died. In fact, when I learned of her, she was already dead. I thought it was neat that she came back as some "ghost-like" entity, and were using her in unique ways in novels and such. However, I'm now real world age 36. In realms time, 19 years have passed, so I can see a rough comparison of that time passing to what's happened in my own life. There's been a rise and fall of many "powers" in our own world, Khadafi, Hussein, Clinton, soon Bush, Margaret Thatcher, etc... There have been very few who have maintained their power for more than a single generation. The realms is a lot more volatile, and despite the ability to be brought back from the dead, there's a lot of people who would actually go through the effort to enact magic to keep people dead. That, plus I would bet a lot of folk who die would not WANT to return from the dead. So, in the end if half the Zulkirs of Thay were to get changed out, and Unther gets thrown into major Upheaval, Tethyr forms a new line of nobility, Impiltur has almost a completely new set of Lords of Imphras II, and Cormyr's line gets decimated.... by gods, some of the lords of Waterdeep should be retiring or dying off (granted you have one gone with Blackstaff, but sheesh, how long have Mirt, Durnan, and Piergeiron been in office?) |
| Stigger07-23-07, 03:28 PM | That's modern world speed however... which is a very recent development. Pace of life without modern technology slows down considerably, and without things like election cycles to worry about... there's just not much in the way of comparison to Here and There in that sense. |
| daimyotx07-23-07, 04:10 PM | So, in the end if half the Zulkirs of Thay were to get changed out, and Unther gets thrown into major Upheaval, Tethyr forms a new line of nobility, Impiltur has almost a completely new set of Lords of Imphras II, and Cormyr's line gets decimated.... by gods, some of the lords of Waterdeep should be retiring or dying off (granted you have one gone with Blackstaff, but sheesh, how long have Mirt, Durnan, and Piergeiron been in office?) I think you may have missed this part Stigger. I sort of agree with the fact that until the recent death of Khelben, the Lords of Waterdeep have been fairly free of any turnoil or upset within their ranks. Major events have pretty much re-written every civilization and cultural center across Faerun lately, yet Waterdeep (with the exception of Undermountain) has managed to stay stagnant. And as for cannon vs. non-canon: For me I love having Canon stuff to bounce off of and work around. One of the greatest challenges of a DM for me is to twine my campaign around events that have happened (or are happening) without the players managing to interfere in the written works. It was one of the main reasons that the Wheel of Time RPG was a nice diversion for me for a bit. A thing dragonheart's point is a very valid one in addition to all that, though. |
| Red_Wizard07-23-07, 04:34 PM | That's modern world speed however... which is a very recent development. Pace of life without modern technology slows down considerably, and without things like election cycles to worry about... there's just not much in the way of comparison to Here and There in that sense. But Faerun is a magic heavy setting. In many cases it remains more advanced magically than we are technologically. So to have major happenings occur there, that are equivacable or surpassing what we see here, is not beyond the realm of reason. When opposing nations, of differing alignments, or ruling opinions clash, and bring their magical might to bare events with enormous ramifications tend to arise. |
| GothicDan07-23-07, 06:52 PM | The idea that FR is a "magic heavy" setting is very much misleading. The fact that 90% of the populace goes their lives with seeing only a handful of minor spells cast (usually clerical) does not qualify it is a magic heavy setting. The fact that only magic-heavy NPCs and events have been the focus of published Realms material doesn't change the statistics. And I'd love to see the timeline halted, just for a time. It'd be nice to see the Realms fully detailed before people run around and destroy it all. |
| Red_Wizard07-23-07, 07:10 PM | I wasn't suggesting that there were no magic "dark age" areas on Toril, simply that the major powers of the world are all heavily influenced by the magic they weild. This is directly comparible to our cultures here on Earth having both technologicaly advanced areas, and areas that still rely very heavily upon such things as ox drawn carts and wooden water pumps/ watering holes. My point being that remains that the argument of Faerun being set in an area more comparible to our Middle ages, shouldn't factor in to such discussions concerning major political, and military movements that have occured in the last 20 years Realmsian time. The words Magic and Technology are-- or atleast IMO should be-- directly interchangable for purposes of the likelyhood of drastic change occuring in the varied nations. :) |
| Lord Karsus07-23-07, 08:50 PM | be nice to see the Realms fully detailed before people run around and destroy it all. -It would be nice if this was prevented, to begin with. |
| GothicDan07-24-07, 07:31 AM | I wasn't suggesting that there were no magic "dark age" areas on Toril, simply that the major powers of the world are all heavily influenced by the magic they weild. This is directly comparible to our cultures here on Earth having both technologicaly advanced areas, and areas that still rely very heavily upon such things as ox drawn carts and wooden water pumps/ watering holes. My point being that remains that the argument of Faerun being set in an area more comparible to our Middle ages, shouldn't factor in to such discussions concerning major political, and military movements that have occured in the last 20 years Realmsian time. The words Magic and Technology are-- or atleast IMO should be-- directly interchangable for purposes of the likelyhood of drastic change occuring in the varied nations. I didn't disagree with any of that, per se. I just think that magic is much less widespread than you make it out to be. If anything, the Dark Ages area analogy is reversed - it's more like the entirety of Faerun is in the Dark Ages of technology/magic, with just a few regions in the Renaissance (Thay, Halruaa, etc.). A few high-level casters and a handful of low level ones even in a country doesn't mean that magic is in any way widespread, commonly seen, or readily available to your average citizen. The technology/magic level you infer seems more like that seen in Netheril (High, of course). |
| Red_Wizard07-24-07, 08:39 AM | lol, see for me I think you are selling short the current Realms era for it's abundance of magic, due to civilizations such as Imaskar, and Netheril predating the current time frame. Granted FR is not Ebberon-- To which we all know many are thankful, so no "HUZZAH's" needed :P-- but it is still a magic heavy setting. Nearly every novel sports at least one Wizard, and nearly every area of some strategic import has at one time or another been ruled, or assailed by mages for their own purposes. Comparatively, just as many locations-- if not more-- have more than mediocre access to magic (even if it is only through the towns sole Mage), than people here on Earth do to technology of even a base kind. All matters of perspective though I suppose. For me I also call Earths era's of grand empires our golden age, seeing the current one as the lesser degenerate age despite the advances in computer technology. ;) |
| Stigger07-24-07, 09:16 AM | Waterdeep as Stagnant? Not even vaguely sure how that thought came to pass... it's had what, three open Lords since that little debacle with government being disrupted by that whole guild war thing after Aghairon passed away... which kinda resulted in the death of all but two of the hidden Lords? Not even a full century since that one happened... Then they had that whole Knights of the Shield thing a short while back... That psychotic little bugger that was trying to off them that Storm snagged for the Harpers... and that's just off the top of my head. My point however was that we're possibly coming from a point of view of the modern world... things change quickly, fashion, politics, culture seems to alter itself radically almost annually. Used to be measured in decades prior to the advent of the widespread dissemination of information that the Internet seems to have sparked, and before that whole mass communications thing, that sort of stuff was marked by centuries, not decades. Think it was the late 1800's when that change started to occur... seriously, life was slow as all get out prior to things like national newspapers, radio, television, etcetera, simply because a lot of innovations took so long to spread. Now undoubtedy, with things like bards and travelling adventurers, that pace would be quickened considerably in Faerun, but it would still be remarkably slow by a modern context. I mean, really, unless you have a spellcaster with a bunch of sending spells pretty much at your disposal, simply communicating between cities is going to be measured in days, if not weeks... and if anything needs clarification or something, you extend out the time considerably. You don't whip out the cellular and ring someone up in Berdusk if you're sitting in a tavern in Waterdeep. You need to physically write a letter, give it to a merchant caravan, and wait for it not to only travel to Berdusk, but be responded to in writing, and then makes its way back to Waterdeep overland... not exactly a fast and efficient form of communication. To add in things like the spread of cultural, social, political, or economic changes, those things have to happen on a much larger scale, take far more time to sink in, and generally rely on word of mouth to get from one place to another. There is no such thing as mass media telling anyone whats happening in a given place... just merchants or bards or adventurers... and that's kinda hit or miss at best. Things just don't happen that quickly at that pace of life, particularly from a modern perspective, and so things seem to remain static, despite probably changing at the same pace in the context of the time it takes for ideas to spread. Beyond that, remember that places like Waterdeep and such don't rely on electorates for forming a government. It is ultimately a enlightened dictatorship, not a government for the people, by the people... I'm probably rambling at this point, but fatigue is catching up with me, so I'll end it there while its still a semi-coherent post. ;) |
| sleyvas07-24-07, 11:48 AM | Yes, things may change slower due to slower communications. HOWEVER, people still get older. There's no big difference for most folk in that category, and while some may put a few years off using longevity potions and such, its a simple fact of the matter that they'd start to feel old and tired. Not all of them are going to be Mystra's chosen who makes it so that they don't need to sleep and can call upon silver fire to rejuvenate their bodies. They have done a good job of letting you know that Mirt and such are getting old. However, there's going to come a point where they quite simply are going to need someone to take those reins. For example, Reagan was a highly influential person, possibly one of the greatest American leaders ever (ok, those that thought he sucked, don't fight me here). However, by the time he had built up that much influence and had learned enough about life to become that good of a leader, he was getting near the age where senility was creeping in. I'm not saying that all the best leaders are always old people, but there is a basis to the fact that many cultural leaders tend to be the older and more respected people and thereby more venerable. Thus, I would not be surprised (and to a degree would expect) to find some changes amongst the lords of Waterdeep. Elaine had started down this path with Danilo, and it was a good thing, but then I think I've read somewhere that he's no longer a lord? |
| daimyotx07-24-07, 02:20 PM | Waterdeep as Stagnant? Not even vaguely sure how that thought came to pass... it's had what, three open Lords since that little debacle with government being disrupted by that whole guild war thing after Aghairon passed away... which kinda resulted in the death of all but two of the hidden Lords? Not even a full century since that one happened... Then they had that whole Knights of the Shield thing a short while back... That psychotic little bugger that was trying to off them that Storm snagged for the Harpers... and that's just off the top of my head. Stigger’s comments about Waterdeep got me thinking about Waterdeep in General. I went through “The History of The Sword Coast North (http://www.geonomicon.com/chronology/temporum/swordcoastnorth.htm)” as compiled by Brian R. James (Iakhovas (http://boards1.wizards.com/member.php?u=153382) here on the boards) and picked out everything that directly related to Waterdeep. I considered trying to post it, but decided not to without Brian's permission. Also, WoTC might not want timelines THAT large posted on here. Especially with The Grand History coming out. Considering the fact that Waterdeep has only been around for about 375 years or so, it’s been a very eventful little place. Also -- Considering all of that, there hasn’t been much change in the rulership of Waterdeep other than Khelben leaving (and then dieing) and the assassination of 2 masked lords. Basically for the last 100 years (since the Guildmasters), the rulers of Waterdeep have lived fairly quiet lives (and natural deaths). With more Masked Lords being added as the years go by. Compared to all of the upheaval in the last 15 years in the other cultural centers (Cormyr especially comes to mind) around Faerûn, Waterdeep has managed to avoid a lot of the change that is sweeping across the continent (so far). :evillaugh btw, Stigger - according to Brian's timeline, only 2 of the Masked Lords were assassinated. You had me confused when you said "all but 2". Thought I had missed something serious for a moment. :D Thanks for making me do some more thinking about Waterdeep tho! |
| Smilin_Bandit07-24-07, 05:51 PM | I didn't disagree with any of that, per se. I just think that magic is much less widespread than you make it out to be. If anything, the Dark Ages area analogy is reversed - it's more like the entirety of Faerun is in the Dark Ages of technology/magic, with just a few regions in the Renaissance (Thay, Halruaa, etc.). A few high-level casters and a handful of low level ones even in a country doesn't mean that magic is in any way widespread, commonly seen, or readily available to your average citizen. The technology/magic level you infer seems more like that seen in Netheril (High, of course). I'm not exactly sure what Forgotten Realms your playing in. Silverymoon is a community based on magic, the teaching of it, the responsible use of it, and the continual growth of it are what make that city function. A city doesn't start glowing with faerie fire on its own. Waterdeep sits on top of a powderkeg of volatile magic and has examples of magic seen daily right on the city streets. The skeleton hovering outside the mage tower below Castle Waterdeep for instance. (I apologize for not having the name of the tower) How about the Moon sphere which appears on nights of the full moon in Dancing Court. These are just a couple of examples. The city of Skullport is just below Waterdeep and all of its denizens have witnessed magic at least once a week. Anytime one of the citizens witnesses a flying skull, the acting government of Skullport, they've witnessed magic. Longsaddle to the north is a Wizard Families outpost. The entire community deals with magic daily. These are just a few examples of cities and there are many more dotted all over the Realms. These don't even hold into account the subterrainean cities where magic is a daily necessity to protect its citizens from the denizens of the underdark. Then there are magical nations. Halruaa and their feuding nation of Lantan. Both of these nations use magic to the point that there is a policeforce of mundane people who learn to combat spellcasters without the use of magic. Magic can be used by the lowliest farm hand and stable boy. If we go farther east we encounter nations that are governed solely by those who weild some form of magic, whether devine or arcane. Mulhorand is controlled by the remnants of the god kings and divine magic is witnessed everyday. The people of Thay have been tormented by the evil magic of the Red Wizards for hundreds of years, and to say that the average citizen hasn't witnessed magic of some form is just ludicrous. These are just a few places that wield some form of magic daily and in full view of the common citizen. I could go on with a much more in depth list of places, but I think I've made my point. Now consider a fantasy world like Hyboria. Hyboria is a low magic realm. The entire world population sees maybe one percent of it being a proficient spell caster. Magical creatures and constructs are very rare and even a seasoned adventurer may never see a magical creature in his entire life. For that matter the average adventurer in Hyboria may never even see a +1 magical weapon or armor during his entire career. You can't say that for the Forgotten Realms, where every single NPC hero listed has some form of magic, and there are thousands of NPC's that have been listed in Dragon mag and Forgotten Realms materials over the years. An average adventuring party has more magic after third level than many other adventuring groups in other worlds may see in their entire career. Much of the current Realms are ancenstors to the great fallen empire of Netheril, and it is only reasonable to think that the children of such a magically powerful nation would continue to use magic to fulfill their daily needs. If anything there would be a very low percentage of people who hadn't ever witnessed magic being used in some way. Now this is just Faerun. You still have Kara-tur, Zhakara, and Maztica, and I believe there is another realm that is floating around out there as well. All of these are continents found on the planet of Abeir-Toril. Maztica I am unsure of, but Kara-tur and Zhakara are extremely magic oriented civilizations and run rampant with magical creatures and constructs. I don't believe there is a world that is stronger in the use of magic than Toril, and to suggest that its not has be slightly confused. |
| Stigger07-24-07, 06:18 PM | Daimyotx, I was referring to the period during the Guildmaster's reign... as far as I'm aware, only Baerom and Shilarn actually survived that period. Those other two were offed by that Zoar as I seem to recall. And no, Danilo isn't a Lord any longer, not sure why, but I'm pretty sure he passed off the mantle to that half-drow mage... Kyriani somethingorother... runs that tavern down in Dock Ward... feh, forget offhand. But, as far as I can tell, age isn't so much a factor in leadership as competance. Alexander wasn't exactly an old man... even for his period he was pretty young by all accounts. Whether he was a good leader or not is somewhat debateable, depending on the criteria you use, but that's beside the point. Besides, in regards to long lifespans, consider the impacts on healing and restorative magic on the body. A lot of the wear and tear that a body would go through with normal healing and such is offset greatly by that magic, so a lot of the system shock and trauma that one goes through in life is mitigated, leading to somewhat extended lifespans... sure Farmer #2 isn't going to live much longer than the average expectancy, but Merchant Prince #3 who's never been without access to it is going to live much longer than the average schmuck on the street, if you see my point there. |
| GothicDan07-24-07, 07:52 PM | Smiling, you mostly pointed out those cases which I already listed as exceptions to the rule. Your typical commoner in Thay may see magic often enough, but it very rarely if ever benefits most of the populace. Evermeet, other strongholds of Elven magic, Silverymoon, Halruaa, and a few other cases, are exceptions, not the rule. In almost all places except a few as listed, magic lies wholly in the hands of the powerful and elite - the rulers and the like, such as the War Wizards of Cormyr. |
| Faraer07-24-07, 08:08 PM | The Realms is broadly 'higher magic' than most literary fantasy settings. It isn't, except in specific subtle ways which have caveats, 'higher magic' than the norm of D&D. As long as you don't fall for the 'wizard in every village and every street corner' caricature and actually look into what the sources say, your label choices doesn't matter so much. |
| Stigger07-24-07, 09:24 PM | How about we split the difference and say its open to interpretation as to how high or low magic it actually is... as portrayed, I'd tend to go with high magic... but I could see where you could come to the opposite conclusion. Its as magical or non-magical as we want it to be ultimately, I think. |
| BrennonGoldeye07-24-07, 09:31 PM | Hmm. Whose the tangent bandit? :clap: |
| Stigger07-24-07, 09:33 PM | I don't start tangents all that often... I don't think. I just help them derail even further after someone's already done it generally. :D |
| BrennonGoldeye07-24-07, 09:43 PM | ;) |
| Red_Wizard07-25-07, 09:12 AM | How about we split the difference and say its open to interpretation as to how high or low magic it actually is... as portrayed, I'd tend to go with high magic... but I could see where you could come to the opposite conclusion. Its as magical or non-magical as we want it to be ultimately, I think. I was going to suggest an agree to disagree as well on the matter ;) Though I will note that even GD agrees that it's the people in power who possess the magic, and it was the change of people in power that the statement all began on, sooo...;) |
| MarkusTay6307-26-07, 09:36 AM | Wasn't Return of the Srinshee the third movie? :confused: The second one being The Vampire Strikes Back, of course... And the first one was about that new/old city in the High Moor... ;) |
| Old Sage07-26-07, 10:43 AM | I hear Attack of the Manshoon Clones was somewhat disappointing. :P |
| Ioulaum07-26-07, 01:11 PM | not nearly as bad as the Phantasm Menance. |
| MarkusTay6307-26-07, 02:50 PM | I have to say Revenge of the Slyth was the worst of the bunch. :P |
| Smilin_Bandit07-26-07, 04:08 PM | :rolleyes: *groans* |
| Lord Karsus07-26-07, 08:30 PM | -I'm gone for a few days, and look at what happens! :D |
| Stigger07-27-07, 08:23 PM | :blink: No kidding... |
| BrennonGoldeye07-28-07, 10:23 PM | See, as I have said over and over, I have very little to do with basic thread degradation. I just enjoy watching it. :) |
| MarkusTay6307-29-07, 12:07 AM | You're what fire investigator's call "an excellerent". ;) :P :D |
| captaincarot07-29-07, 04:09 AM | -I'm gone for a few days, and look at what happens! :D sense breaks out though only briefly!:P |
| Stigger07-29-07, 02:16 PM | And rarely... |
| Larloch_the_Ultra_Lich08-05-07, 05:48 PM | Wasn't there a recent short story with the knights of Myth Drannor and the Srinshee? Something where Larloch was trying to take control of the baelnorn to seize control of some Mythals. Larloch is in a short story? I must have missed this one. Which short story in what book? I agree, I believe that the last little part of Final Gate should have been left out. This would serve the purpose of leaving it ambiguous, so that the reader could decide who ends up as coronal such as Fflar, Araevin, llsevele, or someones PC and so that it wouldn't be an ABSOLUTE guarantee that the city is reclaimed and its future secured. As for freezing the timeline, if it was going to happen then lets go back to 1369 DR and freeze it there. That way Azoun, Khelben, Halaster, and Sarya are still alive and most of the crap thats happened can be reversed. Im sorry but NPC's , at least major ones, shouldn't be killed off, they should be left for DM's to utilize and PC's to take care of. I have this bad feeling that Piergeiron's next on the list, and shoot they may decide to pluck one or two of the sisters off as well. What the heck??? Halaster Freaking Blackcloak died???? What the hell did I miss????? He made a cameo in "Blackstaff", so I figured he was up and running. Fill me in on details please. |
| Lord Karsus08-05-07, 07:00 PM | Which short story in what book? -"Tears So White", in Realms of the Elves, by Ed Greenwood. What the heck??? Halaster Freaking Blackcloak died???? What the hell did I miss????? He made a cameo in "Blackstaff", so I figured he was up and running. Fill me in on details please. -Expedition to Undermountain, a Core D&D product, has Halaster dying in a freak accident, seemingly to eliminate him from the story, so that the PCs don't have to deal with an immensely powerful and insane archmage. However, we have been told that this information will be reaffirmed into Realmslore in A Grand History of the Realms. |
| Karsus the Mad08-05-07, 09:09 PM | What the heck??? Halaster Freaking Blackcloak died???? What the hell did I miss????? He made a cameo in "Blackstaff", so I figured he was up and running. Fill me in on details please. That was my reaction also when I first heard about it. Then I thought "Bleh. What is death to an archmage? A minor setback, that's all" ;) |
| Lord Karsus08-05-07, 09:38 PM | That was my reaction also when I first heard about it. Then I thought "Bleh. What is death to an archmage? A minor setback, that's all" ;) -They really messed Halaster up. His soul was shattered into thousands of fragments, or something like that. We really can sympathize. |
| Larloch_the_Ultra_Lich08-06-07, 03:31 AM | -"Tears So White", in Realms of the Elves, by Ed Greenwood. -Expedition to Undermountain, a Core D&D product, has Halaster dying in a freak accident, seemingly to eliminate him from the story, so that the PCs don't have to deal with an immensely powerful and insane archmage. However, we have been told that this information will be reaffirmed into Realmslore in A Grand History of the Realms. I knew he "supposedly" died in that product, but I always figure it was like "Elminster is dead", then he pops up a week later saying "Hey guys! what did I miss?" |
| Fabius Maximus08-06-07, 07:11 AM | Since his essence is supposed to be fragmented and was absorbed by the Called (those who recieved visions to decent into Undermountain), his return may be very well possible. |
| captaincarot08-06-07, 07:54 AM | Since his essence is supposed to be fragmented and was absorbed by the Called (those who recieved visions to decent into Undermountain), his return may be very well possible. does this then lead on to the realms hardest jigsaw puzzle, stick mr h's soul back together, once you've found all the pieces? the consequences of failure being yet another high harvesttide or the whole place falling apart. or even the failure of the mythal type thingy which holds up all the caverns and waterdeep ends up as a miniature version of the great rift? |
| Galad08-06-07, 08:41 AM | does this then lead on to the realms hardest jigsaw puzzle, stick mr h's soul back together, once you've found all the pieces? the consequences of failure being yet another high harvesttide or the whole place falling apart. or even the failure of the mythal type thingy which holds up all the caverns and waterdeep ends up as a miniature version of the great rift? That is actually a pretty good idea for an adventure. Put his soul back together or Waterdeep ends up at the bottom of a very deep pit. Great for a paladin led party, it will just lead to such emotional turmoil, having to bring back a really powerful and insane evil archmage. |
| Lord Karsus08-06-07, 09:26 AM | Great for a paladin led party, it will just lead to such emotional turmoil, having to bring back a really powerful and insane evil archmage. -Halaster isn't exactly evil. He's, well...insane! |
| Fabius Maximus08-06-07, 10:39 AM | Not anymore, he isn't. That's why the whole disaster happened in the first place. |
| Green Elven Vampire08-08-07, 03:05 AM | And then Halaster, The Srinshee and Mary poppins went to the disco tech after a hardy meal at IHOP! :rolleyes: |
| Karsus the Mad08-08-07, 03:56 AM | -They really messed Halaster up. His soul was shattered into thousands of fragments, or something like that. We really can sympathize. Oh yeah, I'd forgotten the soul shattering bit...a tad bit more than just a minor setback then:embarrass |
| Galad08-08-07, 08:16 AM | Oh yeah, I'd forgotten the soul shattering bit...a tad bit more than just a minor setback then:embarrass Well that depends. Once you have all the pieces, its just like a jigsaw puzzle. Its just gathering all the pieces that's difficult. |
| Stigger08-08-07, 02:29 PM | Nah, no problem whatsoever for me... I'll just ignore those events entirely in my Realms and that should handle the problem the most efficiently I think... :D |