Short question about Cormyrian nobility [Archive] - Wizards Community

Short question about Cormyrian nobility [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Calmar
03-25-07, 12:09 PM Is the lordship of a Cormyrian noble house handed down to the oldest scion in general when the ruler dies, or just to the oldest male? :)
Renvale999
03-25-07, 12:35 PM It probably depends on the house...if their really old fashioned or they believe in handing it down to the oldest.
Calmar
03-25-07, 12:42 PM Yes, but the gender is irrelevant, isn't it?
Stigger
03-25-07, 02:24 PM Should be as far as I'm aware. Think tradition of the family matters more than anything else.
Calmar
03-25-07, 02:29 PM Thanks :)
FrustratedRealmsFan
03-25-07, 07:50 PM Speaking of questions about Cormyr and succession... I've asked this question before, I think, but I was wondering if anyone has a complete line of succession for the throne of Cormyr... I'm sure someone (Elminster, this means you) has one, but I would appreciate it becoming common knowledge...
Stigger
03-25-07, 09:24 PM I'd be interested in seeing that myself actually.
bitter thorn
03-25-07, 09:26 PM Should be as far as I'm aware. Think tradition of the family matters more than anything else.

IIRC the lord of the Family in question can specify whomever they wish as the inheritor of the position and title (barring foes of the crown). Said noble would simply have to affirm any nontraditional choice before the heralds and court.
Old Sage
03-25-07, 09:41 PM A partial listing of Cormyr's lineage -

"26 to ??? Faerlthann
Imlon "the Touched"
Bryndar
Eskrius
Rhiiman "the Glorious"
Embrus "the Old"
Kaspler "the Learned"
Imbre
Sacrast
Daravvan
Dorglor
Embrold
Irbruin
Moriann
Tharyann "the Elder"
??? to 242 Boldovar "the Mad"
242 to 245 Iltharl "the Insufficient"
245 to ??? Gantharla*
Roderin "the Bastard"
Thargreve "the Lesser"
Holordrym
Belereve
Thargram
Besmra*
Torst
Gordroun
Keldroun
Berost "the Bold"
Gorann
Edrae "the Doomed Babe"
Ulbaeram
Silbran
Raerboth
Baerildo
Belmuth "the Bastard"
Sargrannon
Ortolar
Imbrus
Artreth
Zoumdan
Imbrus II
Meurthe "Mad Meurthe"*
Kasplara*
Jasl "the Royal Jester"
Arathra "the Little Spider"*
Barander "the Tortured King", "the Scarred Advisor"
Thargreve "the Greater", "the Peacebringer"
Jarissra*
Andilber "the Unfortunate"
c 376 to at least 389 Anglond (his son, Azoun, was still Crown Prince in
389; see Sea of Fallen Stars)
Azoun I "the Crown Prince of Battles"
From before 429 to 480 Duar "Longyears"
Galaghard I
Galaghard II "Father of the Dark Princes"
c 629 Draxius "the Neverdying"
Bryntarth I
c 900 Galaghard III
Rhiigard "the Mourning King" [Rhigaerd I]
Bryntarth II
c 1018 Arangor
Azoun II
Proster
Baerovus
Palaghard I
1187 to 1210 Pryntaler
1210 to 1227 Dhalmass
1227 to 1261 Palaghard II
1261 to 1277 Azoun III (note that the 1st Edition Boxed Set has Azoun III
dying in 1275 DR, but the later Cormyr: A Novel has him dying in 1277, "nine years ago" in Chapter 28)
1277 to 1286 Salember "the Rebel Prince" (remember, this one was a regent
that styled himself a king)
(1277 on) 1286 to 1336 Rhigaerd II [He had to wrest the throne from his uncle]
1336 to 1371 Azoun IV
Princess Alusair Nacacia Obarskyr, the Steel Regent of Cormyr
1371 to present Azoun V"

Additional thoughts from Garen "Brian Cortijo" Thal -

"The dates listed are correct (I should know; that's from one of my posts on the REALMS-L; I should also note that the asterisks (*) are Cormyr's ruling queens, and the rest kings).

Those are the dates that can be reliably pulled from Cormyr: A Novel and the various relevent Dragon Magazine articles. There are those of us who continuously--some would say obsessively--update our personal lists to make them mesh properly, so much so that even an off-hand remark about a slaying or a quotation is enough to make us triple check these numbers, but until we get the Royal Lineage out and in print, there's only so much that can be said."

And -

"The dates are left out of the above to keep from revealing too many secrets about the royal line until the time is right, but observant readers, willing to cross-reference several sources, will note that some reigns will be, simply by necessity, far longer than others.

I will note that Cormyr is unique among the Realms in that the House Obarskyr is its sole ruling dynasty. There are interregnums, certainly, but every royal of Cormyr has been part of the Obarskyr family, and Azoun V can trace a direct descent, in 36 generations (some whisper "34," very quietly) back to Faerlthann First-King. We have this not in Tethyr, nor in Impiltur, nor anywhere else where kings have ruled for over a thousand years and cannot claim to have gods sitting in thrones beside them (*cough*Mulhorand*cough*)."
Krash
03-25-07, 11:08 PM That listing is correct. Stay tuned for more on the human royal lineages in Faerūn ... wow, look at that shiny Impiltur one over there ... :D ;)

-- George Krashos
Old Sage
03-26-07, 12:05 AM You tease! :D

Now, what's that I see tucked under your arm about new lore for the four dynasties of the Old and New Impiltur? Or about the Kingless Years? ;)
Krash
03-26-07, 07:18 AM You know, I really have to turn my pile of notes into a full-fledged, lovely to read, properly formatted lineage - just like the one for Cormyr. I might make it my GEN-CON project ...

-- George Krashos

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Calmar 03-25-07, 12:09 PM	Is the lordship of a Cormyrian noble house handed down to the oldest scion in general when the ruler dies, or just to the oldest male? :)
Renvale999 03-25-07, 12:35 PM	It probably depends on the house...if their really old fashioned or they believe in handing it down to the oldest.
Calmar 03-25-07, 12:42 PM	Yes, but the gender is irrelevant, isn't it?
Stigger 03-25-07, 02:24 PM	Should be as far as I'm aware. Think tradition of the family matters more than anything else.
Calmar 03-25-07, 02:29 PM	Thanks :)
FrustratedRealmsFan 03-25-07, 07:50 PM	Speaking of questions about Cormyr and succession... I've asked this question before, I think, but I was wondering if anyone has a complete line of succession for the throne of Cormyr... I'm sure someone (Elminster, this means you) has one, but I would appreciate it becoming common knowledge...
Stigger 03-25-07, 09:24 PM	I'd be interested in seeing that myself actually.
bitter thorn 03-25-07, 09:26 PM	Should be as far as I'm aware. Think tradition of the family matters more than anything else. IIRC the lord of the Family in question can specify whomever they wish as the inheritor of the position and title (barring foes of the crown). Said noble would simply have to affirm any nontraditional choice before the heralds and court.
Old Sage 03-25-07, 09:41 PM	A partial listing of Cormyr's lineage - "26 to ??? Faerlthann Imlon "the Touched" Bryndar Eskrius Rhiiman "the Glorious" Embrus "the Old" Kaspler "the Learned" Imbre Sacrast Daravvan Dorglor Embrold Irbruin Moriann Tharyann "the Elder" ??? to 242 Boldovar "the Mad" 242 to 245 Iltharl "the Insufficient" 245 to ??? Gantharla* Roderin "the Bastard" Thargreve "the Lesser" Holordrym Belereve Thargram Besmra* Torst Gordroun Keldroun Berost "the Bold" Gorann Edrae "the Doomed Babe" Ulbaeram Silbran Raerboth Baerildo Belmuth "the Bastard" Sargrannon Ortolar Imbrus Artreth Zoumdan Imbrus II Meurthe "Mad Meurthe"* Kasplara* Jasl "the Royal Jester" Arathra "the Little Spider"* Barander "the Tortured King", "the Scarred Advisor" Thargreve "the Greater", "the Peacebringer" Jarissra* Andilber "the Unfortunate" c 376 to at least 389 Anglond (his son, Azoun, was still Crown Prince in 389; see Sea of Fallen Stars) Azoun I "the Crown Prince of Battles" From before 429 to 480 Duar "Longyears" Galaghard I Galaghard II "Father of the Dark Princes" c 629 Draxius "the Neverdying" Bryntarth I c 900 Galaghard III Rhiigard "the Mourning King" [Rhigaerd I] Bryntarth II c 1018 Arangor Azoun II Proster Baerovus Palaghard I 1187 to 1210 Pryntaler 1210 to 1227 Dhalmass 1227 to 1261 Palaghard II 1261 to 1277 Azoun III (note that the 1st Edition Boxed Set has Azoun III dying in 1275 DR, but the later Cormyr: A Novel has him dying in 1277, "nine years ago" in Chapter 28) 1277 to 1286 Salember "the Rebel Prince" (remember, this one was a regent that styled himself a king) (1277 on) 1286 to 1336 Rhigaerd II [He had to wrest the throne from his uncle] 1336 to 1371 Azoun IV Princess Alusair Nacacia Obarskyr, the Steel Regent of Cormyr 1371 to present Azoun V" Additional thoughts from Garen "Brian Cortijo" Thal - "The dates listed are correct (I should know; that's from one of my posts on the REALMS-L; I should also note that the asterisks () are Cormyr's ruling queens, and the rest kings). Those are the dates that can be reliably pulled from Cormyr: A Novel and the various relevent Dragon Magazine articles. There are those of us who continuously--some would say obsessively--update our personal lists to make them mesh properly, so much so that even an off-hand remark about a slaying or a quotation is enough to make us triple check these numbers, but until we get the Royal Lineage out and in print, there's only so much that can be said." And - "The dates are left out of the above to keep from revealing too many secrets about the royal line until the time is right, but observant readers, willing to cross-reference several sources, will note that some reigns will be, simply by necessity, far longer than others. I will note that Cormyr is unique among the Realms in that the House Obarskyr is its sole ruling dynasty. There are interregnums, certainly, but every royal of Cormyr has been part of the Obarskyr family, and Azoun V can trace a direct descent, in 36 generations (some whisper "34," very quietly) back to Faerlthann First-King. We have this not in Tethyr, nor in Impiltur, nor anywhere else where kings have ruled for over a thousand years and cannot claim to have gods sitting in thrones beside them (coughMulhorandcough*)."
Krash 03-25-07, 11:08 PM	That listing is correct. Stay tuned for more on the human royal lineages in Faerūn ... wow, look at that shiny Impiltur one over there ... :D ;) -- George Krashos
Old Sage 03-26-07, 12:05 AM	You tease! :D Now, what's that I see tucked under your arm about new lore for the four dynasties of the Old and New Impiltur? Or about the Kingless Years? ;)
Krash 03-26-07, 07:18 AM	You know, I really have to turn my pile of notes into a full-fledged, lovely to read, properly formatted lineage - just like the one for Cormyr. I might make it my GEN-CON project ... -- George Krashos