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Paix
06-13-07, 07:12 AM I was reading the info on Sundabar contained in Silver Marches and comparing it with the lore in the recent novels it appears there is a gap.

The human 'mayor' is a follower of helm according to Silver marches but the one in charge of the city seems to be a merchant in the novel. Is there a change?

The other thing that struck me from the description of its history in Silver Marches is that although it was always a city of dwarves, the human refugees who were merely allowed to settle the surface of it, appear to have taken over. Given the insular nature of dwarves and the fact, that it is their mining and their forges that keep the city alive, how is that possible?

Dwarves fight down to the last man to defend their homes from enemies but they have allowed the humans to take over and according to the novel they even have to swear allegiance to the human mayor?
captaincarot
06-13-07, 07:39 AM we don't swear alliegance to anyone but our own rulers, in our own lands.
we might allow them to build a realm up top but we still control the mines and if they think other wise we will dig their lawn up!
Paix
06-14-07, 06:08 PM A credible threat.

Shall I assume that no further lore or details have been published about that city then?
Stigger
06-14-07, 06:15 PM Helm Dwarf-Friend was a fighter 10/ranger 5 of Mielikki last I checked... haven't read the novels though. He's pretty much always siding with King whatsisname from Adbar though, and has proven himself a firm ally of the dwarves, so I wouldn't think it would be that weird to have the local dwarves loyal to him. Haven't read the novels you're referring to though, so couldn't speak to them.

As for other lore on it, you might want to check out the 2e Volo's Guide to the North, The North, and maybe the Savage Frontier. They're available on the WotC free download section as PDFs if you're interested, at least I think they are.
Faraer
06-14-07, 06:24 PM Yes, right here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/downloads).

The short answer to "how is that possible?" is that if Sundabar's dwarves had isolated themselves from their more populous human allies they might well no longer exist.
Tyberian
06-14-07, 06:33 PM [QUOTE=Paix;12707700]I was reading the info on Sundabar contained in Silver Marches and comparing it with the lore in the recent novels it appears there is a gap.

The human 'mayor' is a follower of helm according to Silver marches but the one in charge of the city seems to be a merchant in the novel. Is there a change?

Is the novel you are speaking of the latest dark elf trilogy? That could explain things if you are confusing Mirabar and Sundabar. just a thought. I did it when first reading the trilogy.
Paix
06-14-07, 06:54 PM Thank you for the replies. I have the Volo's Guide to the North and it only mentioned the same information as in the 3e supplement with the inclusion of increased fighting in the lower levels. I am guessing that this has not been expanded upon.

Tyberian, you are correct. I did confuse the two cities, hence the lore not making much sense to me.

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Paix 06-13-07, 07:12 AM	I was reading the info on Sundabar contained in Silver Marches and comparing it with the lore in the recent novels it appears there is a gap. The human 'mayor' is a follower of helm according to Silver marches but the one in charge of the city seems to be a merchant in the novel. Is there a change? The other thing that struck me from the description of its history in Silver Marches is that although it was always a city of dwarves, the human refugees who were merely allowed to settle the surface of it, appear to have taken over. Given the insular nature of dwarves and the fact, that it is their mining and their forges that keep the city alive, how is that possible? Dwarves fight down to the last man to defend their homes from enemies but they have allowed the humans to take over and according to the novel they even have to swear allegiance to the human mayor?
captaincarot 06-13-07, 07:39 AM	we don't swear alliegance to anyone but our own rulers, in our own lands. we might allow them to build a realm up top but we still control the mines and if they think other wise we will dig their lawn up!
Paix 06-14-07, 06:08 PM	A credible threat. Shall I assume that no further lore or details have been published about that city then?
Stigger 06-14-07, 06:15 PM	Helm Dwarf-Friend was a fighter 10/ranger 5 of Mielikki last I checked... haven't read the novels though. He's pretty much always siding with King whatsisname from Adbar though, and has proven himself a firm ally of the dwarves, so I wouldn't think it would be that weird to have the local dwarves loyal to him. Haven't read the novels you're referring to though, so couldn't speak to them. As for other lore on it, you might want to check out the 2e Volo's Guide to the North, The North, and maybe the Savage Frontier. They're available on the WotC free download section as PDFs if you're interested, at least I think they are.
Faraer 06-14-07, 06:24 PM	Yes, right here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/downloads). The short answer to "how is that possible?" is that if Sundabar's dwarves had isolated themselves from their more populous human allies they might well no longer exist.
Tyberian 06-14-07, 06:33 PM	[QUOTE=Paix;12707700]I was reading the info on Sundabar contained in Silver Marches and comparing it with the lore in the recent novels it appears there is a gap. The human 'mayor' is a follower of helm according to Silver marches but the one in charge of the city seems to be a merchant in the novel. Is there a change? Is the novel you are speaking of the latest dark elf trilogy? That could explain things if you are confusing Mirabar and Sundabar. just a thought. I did it when first reading the trilogy.
Paix 06-14-07, 06:54 PM	Thank you for the replies. I have the Volo's Guide to the North and it only mentioned the same information as in the 3e supplement with the inclusion of increased fighting in the lower levels. I am guessing that this has not been expanded upon. Tyberian, you are correct. I did confuse the two cities, hence the lore not making much sense to me.