Waterdeep harbour frozen? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Waterdeep harbour frozen? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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ikki
02-18-08, 07:25 PM And for how long, if so.. 3-4 months?
Perhaps even icebergs in the open sea further out that have drifted southwards...

How much snow, id believe theres a bunch of snow shoveling, likely taken onto the frozen solid harbour. A foot thick perhaps all winter more or less, trampled solid.. but in less well maintained parts could get to a fuller 3-4 feet thick..

Ps: where is that mount Mount Sar where the Greyhand Frostgiant, Harshnag the Grim, lives?
RealmsRunner
02-19-08, 02:23 AM Howdy there.
I think I can help. I have ten years of experience in Waterdeep. haha.

1.) If a winter were to be cold enough to freeze Waterdeep harbour solid, it could only last 2 months or so, unless you're talking about magically enduced weather, in which case all bets are off. There is normally a bit of ice in the harbour during winter, but not a lot. Often it is bad enough to shut the harbour for a while until it can be cleared, but there isn't a whole lot of traffic in the winter, because of the cold and the winter storms, so normally it isn't much of a problem.

2.) Mount Sar and Mount Helimbrar are just north of Waterdeep, along the High Road. Mount Helimbrar is the southernmost of the two mountains, and Mount Sar is the northernmost. These mountains help protect Waterdeep from the worst of the winter winds coming from the north, like Mount Waterdeep protects the city from the winds from the west.

I hope this has been helpful.
ikki
02-19-08, 03:44 AM Ahh thanks :)

So nothing like here in finland really then.. north of the 60th paralell.. where all winters bretty much guarantee a 3 month long time when its all covered in ice.

I was wondering since its not quite arctic like the icewind dale, but still quite far and a lot of noise has been made of the harsh winters. But guess harsh winters means its occasionally hurting the wine yards :D
Lord Karsus
02-19-08, 09:25 AM -Being as that Waterdeep closely mirrors New York, in terms of population and location, I can tell you this. Occasionally, the waters do freeze, on the coldest winter days and nights, but the ice is always a thin layer on the top, which can easily be broken by ships, and even the motion of the ocean.
ikki
02-20-08, 07:33 AM heh, and over here its regularily about 40-50cm thick.. the whole 4 month winter, ships will get crushed, which is why they are brought ashore. Well, smaller ones anyway -> 30m.

The steelhulled can handle the ice, and then we have icebreakers that keep the main paths open.
Lord Karsus
02-20-08, 09:57 AM heh, and over here its regularily about 40-50cm thick.. the whole 4 month winter, ships will get crushed, which is why they are brought ashore. Well, smaller ones anyway -> 30m.

The steelhulled can handle the ice, and then we have icebreakers that keep the main paths open.

-Well, you do live near the arctic circle and all. ;)
ikki
02-20-08, 05:10 PM Speaking of which, i kinda imagined the polar circle went at roughly mirabar, and anything north of the spine is basically north pole.
Which would still leave anything north of troll mountains frozen much of the year.

Its even in the books that the population of waterdeep goes south for the winter, but a minor colder season as described here.. pathetic to be fleeing that..
Lord Karsus
02-20-08, 06:42 PM -Yeah, that sounds about right. More or less.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
02-20-08, 08:28 PM Speaking of which, i kinda imagined the polar circle went at roughly mirabar, and anything north of the spine is basically north pole.
Which would still leave anything north of troll mountains frozen much of the year.

Its even in the books that the population of waterdeep goes south for the winter, but a minor colder season as described here.. pathetic to be fleeing that..

I guess most Waterdhavians don't have central heating? :P

Anyway, not everyone in Waterdeep leaves for the winter, it's just that the city has a portion of the population that's more transient (and given that it's a major hub of trade, that's not surprising).
RealmsRunner
02-20-08, 11:52 PM Ahh thanks :)

So nothing like here in finland really then.. north of the 60th paralell.. where all winters bretty much guarantee a 3 month long time when its all covered in ice.

I was wondering since its not quite arctic like the icewind dale, but still quite far and a lot of noise has been made of the harsh winters. But guess harsh winters means its occasionally hurting the wine yards :D

Hey, I mean, Waterdhaivens ain't chumps, but there no Nords either! Long live you ice-dwelling, metal-thrashing people! We love ya.
MarkusTay63
02-21-08, 12:32 AM Okay, coming from a relatively temperate area, where temperatures swing the full gamut from 0° to 100° (-18 to -38 C) in just a couple of months (and occassionally 30° in a day), I'm unfamiliar with areas that have the same kind of weather all year round.

Do you guys get the same light/darkness cycles as us, or do you get that six months of night thing?

I'm asking this because thats never, ever mentioned in any of the stories about Ten Towns, and after seeing Thirty Days of Night, I would think that creatures like Vampires would relish living in the colder climbs (during the right time of year, of course).
Lord Karsus
02-21-08, 10:47 AM Okay, coming from a relatively temperate area, where temperatures swing the full gamut from 0° to 100° (-18 to -38 C) in just a couple of months (and occassionally 30° in a day), I'm unfamiliar with areas that have the same kind of weather all year round.

-Hell, that's the entire summer. Sixty something degrees in the morning, eighty or ninety degrees by the afternoon, then back down to seventy or sixty at night.

I'm asking this because thats never, ever mentioned in any of the stories about Ten Towns, and after seeing Thirty Days of Night, I would think that creatures like Vampires would relish living in the colder climbs (during the right time of year, of course).

-Especially when temperature doesn't effect them.
MarkusTay63
02-21-08, 11:23 AM -Hell, that's the entire summer. Sixty something degrees in the morning, eighty or ninety degrees by the afternoon, then back down to seventy or sixty at night.I probably should have said 40° - I remember one day in Nov when it hit 75, and I was wearing a T-shirt, and then at night it dropped to 30 and we had ice. It was like we had fall in a couple of hours... :rolleyes:

-Especially when temperature doesn't effect them.Cold doesn't effect Vampires? Interesting....

Although NOT very realistic. Creatures that are incapable of generating their own warm blood usually tend toward warmer climbs - thats why some D&Ds 'Scaley' races make little sense. Of course, that just means they would have to be even hungeier and more feral, like the movie, because their need for blood would also help regulate their body temperature.

Since neither Ten Towns/Frozenfar or Sossrim is noted for having the months of daylight and night, that would mean Toril would have to have little or no axial tilt, which doesn't make sense because then the equater should be a band of intolerably heat, which it is not. Maybe the planet is slightly further from it's sun.... just checked Realmspace and the Internet, and it is indeed slightly over TWICE the distance!

Hmmmm... now its TOO FAR... so Toril's sun must be hotter... thats no good, either, because as we all know, everything gets COOLER in 4e... :P

Anyway, maybe Old Sage can help with some of this, and let me know the deal with the axial tilt (which I don't see noted in Realmspace), or the day/night cylces of the Arctic zones.

And perhaps G-Dan can chime in with a little physics, to help my head stop hurting over this.

But then again, its all magic, right? ;)
GothicDan
02-21-08, 11:24 AM Suns have cores that lead to the Positive Energy Plane in D&D, and that's why I assumed it hurt vampires. ;)

That being said, yeah, it's all magic, but there might be a little bit of RL physics embedded somewhere in 'ere...
Lord Karsus
02-21-08, 11:33 AM Cold doesn't effect Vampires? Interesting....

-Mundane cold, as in temperature.

Suns have cores that lead to the Positive Energy Plane in D&D, and that's why I assumed it hurt vampires. ;)

-That's a pretty cool way to look at it. :)
Argaud
02-21-08, 11:53 AM The Spine of the World probably acts as a massive barrier for artic winds and makes the winter weather of the North much milder it would be without those mountains. E.i. not Siberia. Maybe Sweden-like. No geographical location on Earth has such an advantage, so it is hard to estimate how it would be. Imagine how Canada would be in winter if the wind never came from the north.

Waterdeep also has the ocean to regulate the weather. Depending on the marine currents the weather might be quite different that one would expect in a city so far north. I seem to remember New York has the Gulf Stream warming the waters.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
02-21-08, 12:09 PM Cold doesn't effect Vampires? Interesting....

Although NOT very realistic. Creatures that are incapable of generating their own warm blood usually tend toward warmer climes...

But remember, vampires are already dead. :) Undead, to be precise.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
02-21-08, 12:12 PM Do you guys get the same light/darkness cycles as us, or do you get that six months of night thing?

The very long stretches of night and day occur in polar regions. As you get closer to the equator, you get less variation in terms of daylight hours (the equator gets the same amount of sunlight every day all year, as far as I know).

I agree that so-called "temperate regions" (in our case, the northeastern U.S.) aren't necessarily all that "temperate". :)
MarkusTay63
02-21-08, 12:19 PM I like the take on them in Moonlight (the new series), where the Vampire gets extremely cold and gets the shakes as his need for blood rises.

But then again, most modern vampires are 'alive' to some degree, and can even have children (which I always found ridiculous). In fact, in that series, they even found a temporary 'cure' for Vampirism (once again, making it more like a modern disease, then an ancient curse).

Not knocking the series BTW, because I like it - anything supernatural is always a good thing. :P
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
02-21-08, 12:29 PM I like the take on them in Moonlight (the new series), where the Vampire gets extremely cold and gets the shakes as his need for blood rises.

Ah, I'm not familiar with that series.:)

I was responding to the idea of vampires needing heat, which seems off to me. Living organisms need some degree of heat to live, but if a vampire is already dead, then freezing to death wouldn't be an issue.:)
Lord Karsus
02-21-08, 12:34 PM -And, there's some canon basis. The zombies invaded Rasheman, back in the day. If the cold affected them in a negative manner, the Zukir's of Thay would not have ordered the assualt.
MarkusTay63
02-22-08, 12:05 AM Ah, but you see, thats pure game BS - dead tissue would freeze solid, just as any meat would, and the zombies wouldn't be able to move.

Without a functioning circulatory system to keep them warm, they would literally be dead on their feet. :P
Lord Karsus
02-22-08, 12:07 AM Ah, but you see, thats pure game BS - dead tissue would freeze solid, just as any meat would, and the zombies wouldn't be able to move.

Without a functioning circulatory system to keep them warm, they would literally be dead on their feet. :P

[Dan Voice]-The physics of Abeir-Toril are not the physics of Earth...:teach:[/Dan Voice]
MarkusTay63
02-22-08, 12:18 AM So, which part works differently?

The part where the human body is NOT about 65% water, or the part where water DOESN'T freeze at 32° Fahrenheit? :D
Lord Karsus
02-22-08, 12:25 AM The part where the human body is NOT about 65% water, or the part where water DOESN'T freeze at 32° Fahrenheit? :D

-Do we know what the freezeing point is in the Forgotten Realms?
OleOneEye
02-22-08, 09:59 AM Ah, but you see, thats pure game BS - dead tissue would freeze solid, just as any meat would, and the zombies wouldn't be able to move.

Without a functioning circulatory system to keep them warm, they would literally be dead on their feet. :P

That is a pretty interesting concept, undead freezing solid during the winter. For however many weeks, the lands are free from the undead menace. Minter solstice is a celebration of such tranquility. Ice becomes associated with good rather than bad as normal. Undead hunters scour the frozen winter scape to locate defenseless undead to slaughter. Springtime thawing is associated with the return of evil rather than a rebirth of life as is normal. Good times.
GothicDan
02-22-08, 10:32 AM [Dan Voice]-The physics of Abeir-Toril are not the physics of Earth...[/Dan Voice]

Hey, I thought I heard myself talking.

Seriously, though? Physics tells me to approach every system and define it within its own continuum. Trying to apply too much Earth science to a fantasy world is just, in my opinion, an insult to both science and fantasy.

Science is INDUCTIVE. We view what happens, and THEN make laws based off of the observations. We don't try to apply those laws where they don't work, and then scream at the atrocities of reality. We MAKE NEW LAWS.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
02-22-08, 05:26 PM Ah, but you see, thats pure game BS - dead tissue would freeze solid, just as any meat would, and the zombies wouldn't be able to move.

I thought the same thing, myself, but then decided that dead people shouldn't be able to walk around to begin with (ie. it's a non-issue).:P
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
02-22-08, 05:28 PM Springtime thawing is associated with the return of evil rather than a rebirth of life as is normal. Good times.

Heh, I like that take!
Lord Karsus
02-22-08, 06:08 PM I thought the same thing, myself, but then decided that dead people shouldn't be able to walk around to begin with (ie. it's a non-issue).:P

-Point, set. Match.
ikki
02-22-08, 08:18 PM Okay, coming from a relatively temperate area, where temperatures swing the full gamut from 0° to 100° (-18 to -38 C) in just a couple of months (and occassionally 30° in a day), I'm unfamiliar with areas that have the same kind of weather all year round.

Do you guys get the same light/darkness cycles as us, or do you get that six months of night thing?

I'm asking this because thats never, ever mentioned in any of the stories about Ten Towns, and after seeing Thirty Days of Night, I would think that creatures like Vampires would relish living in the colder climbs (during the right time of year, of course).

6 months of night, 6 months of day.. ;)
Well thats really above the arctic circle, being "close" means we see some of it... like very rarely seeing the sun during the winter, its pitch dark in the morning, and pitch dark coming home.
Or in the summer, yeah i know the sun is still up, but its bedtime.
Usually the sun just turns red for a few hours, kinda going beneath the horzon, beofr it rises again.

Great moment for a dip, at midnight.. just before sleep..
And the water is even still warm, +16*C :D (yeah i know, med people see that as freezing)

ps listening to this: http://www.mikseri.net/artists/surma.44214.php
Garage bands site.. think you can switch it to english.. (first of the yellow links, kuuntele kaikki -listen to all)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
ikki 02-18-08, 07:25 PM	And for how long, if so.. 3-4 months? Perhaps even icebergs in the open sea further out that have drifted southwards... How much snow, id believe theres a bunch of snow shoveling, likely taken onto the frozen solid harbour. A foot thick perhaps all winter more or less, trampled solid.. but in less well maintained parts could get to a fuller 3-4 feet thick.. Ps: where is that mount Mount Sar where the Greyhand Frostgiant, Harshnag the Grim, lives?
RealmsRunner 02-19-08, 02:23 AM	Howdy there. I think I can help. I have ten years of experience in Waterdeep. haha. 1.) If a winter were to be cold enough to freeze Waterdeep harbour solid, it could only last 2 months or so, unless you're talking about magically enduced weather, in which case all bets are off. There is normally a bit of ice in the harbour during winter, but not a lot. Often it is bad enough to shut the harbour for a while until it can be cleared, but there isn't a whole lot of traffic in the winter, because of the cold and the winter storms, so normally it isn't much of a problem. 2.) Mount Sar and Mount Helimbrar are just north of Waterdeep, along the High Road. Mount Helimbrar is the southernmost of the two mountains, and Mount Sar is the northernmost. These mountains help protect Waterdeep from the worst of the winter winds coming from the north, like Mount Waterdeep protects the city from the winds from the west. I hope this has been helpful.
ikki 02-19-08, 03:44 AM	Ahh thanks :) So nothing like here in finland really then.. north of the 60th paralell.. where all winters bretty much guarantee a 3 month long time when its all covered in ice. I was wondering since its not quite arctic like the icewind dale, but still quite far and a lot of noise has been made of the harsh winters. But guess harsh winters means its occasionally hurting the wine yards :D
Lord Karsus 02-19-08, 09:25 AM	-Being as that Waterdeep closely mirrors New York, in terms of population and location, I can tell you this. Occasionally, the waters do freeze, on the coldest winter days and nights, but the ice is always a thin layer on the top, which can easily be broken by ships, and even the motion of the ocean.
ikki 02-20-08, 07:33 AM	heh, and over here its regularily about 40-50cm thick.. the whole 4 month winter, ships will get crushed, which is why they are brought ashore. Well, smaller ones anyway -> 30m. The steelhulled can handle the ice, and then we have icebreakers that keep the main paths open.
Lord Karsus 02-20-08, 09:57 AM	heh, and over here its regularily about 40-50cm thick.. the whole 4 month winter, ships will get crushed, which is why they are brought ashore. Well, smaller ones anyway -> 30m. The steelhulled can handle the ice, and then we have icebreakers that keep the main paths open. -Well, you do live near the arctic circle and all. ;)
ikki 02-20-08, 05:10 PM	Speaking of which, i kinda imagined the polar circle went at roughly mirabar, and anything north of the spine is basically north pole. Which would still leave anything north of troll mountains frozen much of the year. Its even in the books that the population of waterdeep goes south for the winter, but a minor colder season as described here.. pathetic to be fleeing that..
Lord Karsus 02-20-08, 06:42 PM	-Yeah, that sounds about right. More or less.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 02-20-08, 08:28 PM	Speaking of which, i kinda imagined the polar circle went at roughly mirabar, and anything north of the spine is basically north pole. Which would still leave anything north of troll mountains frozen much of the year. Its even in the books that the population of waterdeep goes south for the winter, but a minor colder season as described here.. pathetic to be fleeing that.. I guess most Waterdhavians don't have central heating? :P Anyway, not everyone in Waterdeep leaves for the winter, it's just that the city has a portion of the population that's more transient (and given that it's a major hub of trade, that's not surprising).
RealmsRunner 02-20-08, 11:52 PM	Ahh thanks :) So nothing like here in finland really then.. north of the 60th paralell.. where all winters bretty much guarantee a 3 month long time when its all covered in ice. I was wondering since its not quite arctic like the icewind dale, but still quite far and a lot of noise has been made of the harsh winters. But guess harsh winters means its occasionally hurting the wine yards :D Hey, I mean, Waterdhaivens ain't chumps, but there no Nords either! Long live you ice-dwelling, metal-thrashing people! We love ya.
MarkusTay63 02-21-08, 12:32 AM	Okay, coming from a relatively temperate area, where temperatures swing the full gamut from 0° to 100° (-18 to -38 C) in just a couple of months (and occassionally 30° in a day), I'm unfamiliar with areas that have the same kind of weather all year round. Do you guys get the same light/darkness cycles as us, or do you get that six months of night thing? I'm asking this because thats never, ever mentioned in any of the stories about Ten Towns, and after seeing Thirty Days of Night, I would think that creatures like Vampires would relish living in the colder climbs (during the right time of year, of course).
Lord Karsus 02-21-08, 10:47 AM	Okay, coming from a relatively temperate area, where temperatures swing the full gamut from 0° to 100° (-18 to -38 C) in just a couple of months (and occassionally 30° in a day), I'm unfamiliar with areas that have the same kind of weather all year round. -Hell, that's the entire summer. Sixty something degrees in the morning, eighty or ninety degrees by the afternoon, then back down to seventy or sixty at night. I'm asking this because thats never, ever mentioned in any of the stories about Ten Towns, and after seeing Thirty Days of Night, I would think that creatures like Vampires would relish living in the colder climbs (during the right time of year, of course). -Especially when temperature doesn't effect them.
MarkusTay63 02-21-08, 11:23 AM	-Hell, that's the entire summer. Sixty something degrees in the morning, eighty or ninety degrees by the afternoon, then back down to seventy or sixty at night.I probably should have said 40° - I remember one day in Nov when it hit 75, and I was wearing a T-shirt, and then at night it dropped to 30 and we had ice. It was like we had fall in a couple of hours... :rolleyes: -Especially when temperature doesn't effect them.Cold doesn't effect Vampires? Interesting.... Although NOT very realistic. Creatures that are incapable of generating their own warm blood usually tend toward warmer climbs - thats why some D&Ds 'Scaley' races make little sense. Of course, that just means they would have to be even hungeier and more feral, like the movie, because their need for blood would also help regulate their body temperature. Since neither Ten Towns/Frozenfar or Sossrim is noted for having the months of daylight and night, that would mean Toril would have to have little or no axial tilt, which doesn't make sense because then the equater should be a band of intolerably heat, which it is not. Maybe the planet is slightly further from it's sun.... just checked Realmspace and the Internet, and it is indeed slightly over TWICE the distance! Hmmmm... now its TOO FAR... so Toril's sun must be hotter... thats no good, either, because as we all know, everything gets COOLER in 4e... :P Anyway, maybe Old Sage can help with some of this, and let me know the deal with the axial tilt (which I don't see noted in Realmspace), or the day/night cylces of the Arctic zones. And perhaps G-Dan can chime in with a little physics, to help my head stop hurting over this. But then again, its all magic, right? ;)
GothicDan 02-21-08, 11:24 AM	Suns have cores that lead to the Positive Energy Plane in D&D, and that's why I assumed it hurt vampires. ;) That being said, yeah, it's all magic, but there might be a little bit of RL physics embedded somewhere in 'ere...
Lord Karsus 02-21-08, 11:33 AM	Cold doesn't effect Vampires? Interesting.... -Mundane cold, as in temperature. Suns have cores that lead to the Positive Energy Plane in D&D, and that's why I assumed it hurt vampires. ;) -That's a pretty cool way to look at it. :)
Argaud 02-21-08, 11:53 AM	The Spine of the World probably acts as a massive barrier for artic winds and makes the winter weather of the North much milder it would be without those mountains. E.i. not Siberia. Maybe Sweden-like. No geographical location on Earth has such an advantage, so it is hard to estimate how it would be. Imagine how Canada would be in winter if the wind never came from the north. Waterdeep also has the ocean to regulate the weather. Depending on the marine currents the weather might be quite different that one would expect in a city so far north. I seem to remember New York has the Gulf Stream warming the waters.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 02-21-08, 12:09 PM	Cold doesn't effect Vampires? Interesting.... Although NOT very realistic. Creatures that are incapable of generating their own warm blood usually tend toward warmer climes... But remember, vampires are already dead. :) Undead, to be precise.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 02-21-08, 12:12 PM	Do you guys get the same light/darkness cycles as us, or do you get that six months of night thing? The very long stretches of night and day occur in polar regions. As you get closer to the equator, you get less variation in terms of daylight hours (the equator gets the same amount of sunlight every day all year, as far as I know). I agree that so-called "temperate regions" (in our case, the northeastern U.S.) aren't necessarily all that "temperate". :)
MarkusTay63 02-21-08, 12:19 PM	I like the take on them in Moonlight (the new series), where the Vampire gets extremely cold and gets the shakes as his need for blood rises. But then again, most modern vampires are 'alive' to some degree, and can even have children (which I always found ridiculous). In fact, in that series, they even found a temporary 'cure' for Vampirism (once again, making it more like a modern disease, then an ancient curse). Not knocking the series BTW, because I like it - anything supernatural is always a good thing. :P
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 02-21-08, 12:29 PM	I like the take on them in Moonlight (the new series), where the Vampire gets extremely cold and gets the shakes as his need for blood rises. Ah, I'm not familiar with that series.:) I was responding to the idea of vampires needing heat, which seems off to me. Living organisms need some degree of heat to live, but if a vampire is already dead, then freezing to death wouldn't be an issue.:)
Lord Karsus 02-21-08, 12:34 PM	-And, there's some canon basis. The zombies invaded Rasheman, back in the day. If the cold affected them in a negative manner, the Zukir's of Thay would not have ordered the assualt.
MarkusTay63 02-22-08, 12:05 AM	Ah, but you see, thats pure game BS - dead tissue would freeze solid, just as any meat would, and the zombies wouldn't be able to move. Without a functioning circulatory system to keep them warm, they would literally be dead on their feet. :P
Lord Karsus 02-22-08, 12:07 AM	Ah, but you see, thats pure game BS - dead tissue would freeze solid, just as any meat would, and the zombies wouldn't be able to move. Without a functioning circulatory system to keep them warm, they would literally be dead on their feet. :P [Dan Voice]-The physics of Abeir-Toril are not the physics of Earth...:teach:[/Dan Voice]
MarkusTay63 02-22-08, 12:18 AM	So, which part works differently? The part where the human body is NOT about 65% water, or the part where water DOESN'T freeze at 32° Fahrenheit? :D
Lord Karsus 02-22-08, 12:25 AM	The part where the human body is NOT about 65% water, or the part where water DOESN'T freeze at 32° Fahrenheit? :D -Do we know what the freezeing point is in the Forgotten Realms?
OleOneEye 02-22-08, 09:59 AM	Ah, but you see, thats pure game BS - dead tissue would freeze solid, just as any meat would, and the zombies wouldn't be able to move. Without a functioning circulatory system to keep them warm, they would literally be dead on their feet. :P That is a pretty interesting concept, undead freezing solid during the winter. For however many weeks, the lands are free from the undead menace. Minter solstice is a celebration of such tranquility. Ice becomes associated with good rather than bad as normal. Undead hunters scour the frozen winter scape to locate defenseless undead to slaughter. Springtime thawing is associated with the return of evil rather than a rebirth of life as is normal. Good times.
GothicDan 02-22-08, 10:32 AM	[Dan Voice]-The physics of Abeir-Toril are not the physics of Earth...[/Dan Voice] Hey, I thought I heard myself talking. Seriously, though? Physics tells me to approach every system and define it within its own continuum. Trying to apply too much Earth science to a fantasy world is just, in my opinion, an insult to both science and fantasy. Science is INDUCTIVE. We view what happens, and THEN make laws based off of the observations. We don't try to apply those laws where they don't work, and then scream at the atrocities of reality. We MAKE NEW LAWS.
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 02-22-08, 05:26 PM	Ah, but you see, thats pure game BS - dead tissue would freeze solid, just as any meat would, and the zombies wouldn't be able to move. I thought the same thing, myself, but then decided that dead people shouldn't be able to walk around to begin with (ie. it's a non-issue).:P
Rinonalyrna Fathomlin 02-22-08, 05:28 PM	Springtime thawing is associated with the return of evil rather than a rebirth of life as is normal. Good times. Heh, I like that take!
Lord Karsus 02-22-08, 06:08 PM	I thought the same thing, myself, but then decided that dead people shouldn't be able to walk around to begin with (ie. it's a non-issue).:P -Point, set. Match.
ikki 02-22-08, 08:18 PM	Okay, coming from a relatively temperate area, where temperatures swing the full gamut from 0° to 100° (-18 to -38 C) in just a couple of months (and occassionally 30° in a day), I'm unfamiliar with areas that have the same kind of weather all year round. Do you guys get the same light/darkness cycles as us, or do you get that six months of night thing? I'm asking this because thats never, ever mentioned in any of the stories about Ten Towns, and after seeing Thirty Days of Night, I would think that creatures like Vampires would relish living in the colder climbs (during the right time of year, of course). 6 months of night, 6 months of day.. ;) Well thats really above the arctic circle, being "close" means we see some of it... like very rarely seeing the sun during the winter, its pitch dark in the morning, and pitch dark coming home. Or in the summer, yeah i know the sun is still up, but its bedtime. Usually the sun just turns red for a few hours, kinda going beneath the horzon, beofr it rises again. Great moment for a dip, at midnight.. just before sleep.. And the water is even still warm, +16*C :D (yeah i know, med people see that as freezing) ps listening to this: http://www.mikseri.net/artists/surma.44214.php Garage bands site.. think you can switch it to english.. (first of the yellow links, kuuntele kaikki -listen to all)