Cohort, War Weaver and retraining [Archive] - Wizards Community

Cohort, War Weaver and retraining [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
delewobmesid
10-29-07, 02:27 PM I have a Cohort who has picked up access to war weaver as of 5th level; I originally made him an evoker with opp enchantment and necromancy; I will be giving him another level of wizard to so he can meet the prerequisits of the prestidge class;

I think I want to change the character's specialization/opposiition schools to unlock necromancy (mass false life for a second level spell in a few levels seems like a bargain to me)

Here is the original build so far
Human Evoker: opp necro/ench
10,13,14,15+1,12,8
1st: Empower spell, metamagic school focus
3rd: Firey Burst
5th: Extend spell

spell book
1st: colorspray, grease, mm, mage armor, identify, (don't remember)
2nd: scorching ray, blast of force, glitterdust, (don't remember)
3rd: fireball, haste

If I change the character's specialization, does metamagic school focus 'follow' the retraining or would that invalidate it?
bitznarf
10-29-07, 03:33 PM I do believe that each MMSF 'option' is in reality a different feat, the same way Weapon Focus and Weapon Spec are. So as I understand it, you would have to first retrain MMSF (Evocation) into something else (like Skill Focus (Craft (Basketweaving)), then retrain your specialization, then retrain SF(C(BW)) into MMSF (new school).
copperwyrmling
10-29-07, 10:19 PM I agree with Bitznarf: being a specialist evoker is the prereq you're using to get MMSF (Evocation), so you would need to first retrain MMSF (Evoc) to Feat X, then retrain your specialization, then retrain Feat X to MMSF (new specialization). Retraining feat/ability trees is a pain :(

I think I want to change the character's specialization/opposiition schools to unlock necromancy (mass false life for a second level spell in a few levels seems like a bargain to me)

Note that you can't put False Life in a warweaver's tapestry: it's a Personal spell and they're explicitly disallowed.
Lomiat
10-29-07, 10:26 PM Note that you can't put False Life in a warweaver's tapestry: it's a Personal spell and they're explicitly disallowed.

Yep, in fact, you'd probably be better off unlocking Enchantment (or just retraining to become a Generalist after retraining MMSF) as a War Weaver can do some pretty nice things with Heroism.
delewobmesid
11-09-07, 05:35 PM My soon to be Warweaver has retrained out of MMSF to Enlarge spell, but now I don't know what spells are the best and what feat makes the most sense for a lvl 6 cohort...

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
delewobmesid 10-29-07, 02:27 PM	I have a Cohort who has picked up access to war weaver as of 5th level; I originally made him an evoker with opp enchantment and necromancy; I will be giving him another level of wizard to so he can meet the prerequisits of the prestidge class; I think I want to change the character's specialization/opposiition schools to unlock necromancy (mass false life for a second level spell in a few levels seems like a bargain to me) Here is the original build so far Human Evoker: opp necro/ench 10,13,14,15+1,12,8 1st: Empower spell, metamagic school focus 3rd: Firey Burst 5th: Extend spell spell book 1st: colorspray, grease, mm, mage armor, identify, (don't remember) 2nd: scorching ray, blast of force, glitterdust, (don't remember) 3rd: fireball, haste If I change the character's specialization, does metamagic school focus 'follow' the retraining or would that invalidate it?
bitznarf 10-29-07, 03:33 PM	I do believe that each MMSF 'option' is in reality a different feat, the same way Weapon Focus and Weapon Spec are. So as I understand it, you would have to first retrain MMSF (Evocation) into something else (like Skill Focus (Craft (Basketweaving)), then retrain your specialization, then retrain SF(C(BW)) into MMSF (new school).
copperwyrmling 10-29-07, 10:19 PM	I agree with Bitznarf: being a specialist evoker is the prereq you're using to get MMSF (Evocation), so you would need to first retrain MMSF (Evoc) to Feat X, then retrain your specialization, then retrain Feat X to MMSF (new specialization). Retraining feat/ability trees is a pain :( I think I want to change the character's specialization/opposiition schools to unlock necromancy (mass false life for a second level spell in a few levels seems like a bargain to me) Note that you can't put False Life in a warweaver's tapestry: it's a Personal spell and they're explicitly disallowed.
Lomiat 10-29-07, 10:26 PM	Note that you can't put False Life in a warweaver's tapestry: it's a Personal spell and they're explicitly disallowed. Yep, in fact, you'd probably be better off unlocking Enchantment (or just retraining to become a Generalist after retraining MMSF) as a War Weaver can do some pretty nice things with Heroism.
delewobmesid 11-09-07, 05:35 PM	My soon to be Warweaver has retrained out of MMSF to Enlarge spell, but now I don't know what spells are the best and what feat makes the most sense for a lvl 6 cohort...