Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Mattastrophic 01-04-07, 04:57 PM	"Benefit: You can cast spells unobtrusively, mingling verbal and somatic components into your performances. To disguise a spell, make a Perform check as part of the action used to cast the spell. Onlookers must match or exceed your check result with a Spot check to detect that you're casting a spell (your performance is obvious to everyone in the vicinity, but the fact that you're casting a spell isn't.) Unless the spell visibly emanates from you, or observers have some other means of determining its source, they don't know where the effect came from." I'm wondering a few things. First: Would this be effective in LG? Second: How would I present this ability to a judge, so it actually gets adjudicated? I have a feeling that "I cast a Disguised Charm Person" will just mean I get targetted like any other spellcaster. -Matt
CrystalBlue 01-04-07, 05:08 PM	I know one thing it'll cut back on. Agro. >.< "Oh look! That guy over there hit us with a fireball. Let's all attack him relentlessly now." I don't know if it'll be allowed, though.
UMiskatonic 01-04-07, 07:49 PM	Cast it in town. "I'd like to hire you adventurers for a job" "Ok. <I cast disguised charm person>. What information have you left out?"
Iswald 01-04-07, 10:35 PM	You start some kind of performance. During it, you cast your spell. It would help if there was some logical reason for your performance. Simply casting the spell out of the blue wouldn't really help too much, though it couldn't be spellcrafted.
Jay_Ibero_911 01-04-07, 10:50 PM	Unless the spell visibly originates from you, NPC's would have no way of knowing where it came from. Sure it may be wierd that something happened at the same time you burst into an impromptu performance, but unless they see it happen repeatedly, they have minimal reason to connect the spell effect with the performance.
Japangirl 01-04-07, 10:52 PM	And if you're a bard, they know why you're performing. Obviously you are giving your party +hit and +damage, thus not casting any spells!
Iswald 01-05-07, 09:25 AM	Unless the spell visibly originates from you, NPC's would have no way of knowing where it came from. Sure it may be wierd that something happened at the same time you burst into an impromptu performance, but unless they see it happen repeatedly, they have minimal reason to connect the spell effect with the performance. If you start performing, cast a spell with obvious effects and then stop performing immediately, the NPCs should be getting some bonuses to their spot and sense motive checks... It is a fantasy world after all. It wouldn't be too surprising if music and magic worked together.
ShinAkuma2 01-05-07, 01:07 PM	It wouldn't be too surprising if music and magic worked together. Hey, they should make a class where music and magic work together. Hmm...Nah, forget it.
Japangirl 01-05-07, 01:47 PM	Hey, they should make a class where music and magic work together. Hmm...Nah, forget it. Lyric Thaumaturge from Complete Mage should be allowed. Pretty please, Britt?
Mattastrophic 01-05-07, 04:08 PM	Back to the original questions: First: Would this be effective in LG? Second: How would I present this ability to a judge, so it actually gets adjudicated? -Matt
Iswald 01-06-07, 02:44 AM	First: Would this be effective in LG? It depends on how you use it. Second: How would I present this ability to a judge, so it actually gets adjudicated? Didn't I already answer this in my first reply?
Morgen 01-06-07, 03:30 AM	Two words. Perform Comedy. Knock, knock jokes from hell! Bwhahaahaa! Samwise Bakukan can indeed live in this 3.5 world! Bleh, that's a terrible thought. Anyway it is definately a viable LG feat. If your going to be using your bardic music anyway you may as well enjoy more benefits from it. It totally ruins counterspells that don't come out of a ring. The trick is figuring out which spells to cast. Probably charm spells and the like. Always remind your judges of odd things like this though, they've got a lot on thier minds. I always have to remind people about my glammored armor.
Frumpkis 01-06-07, 09:36 AM	My primary PC is a bard, and unfortunately I haven't had room in his build to fit it in, but come lvl 15 he'll be picking up Disguise Spell. I've also seen a few other players with bard characters who have Disguise Spell. So don't worry about it not working in LG. Disguise Spell has a number of uses: - It screws up spellcrafting. This also has the effect of screwing up counterspelling. - If you're casting enchantments, illusions, or divinations, it potentially makes people less suspicious. The other people in the bar won't notice you cast a Charm Person or Detect Thoughts on the barkeep. The illusion of a troll coming through the forest is more believable because you didn't wave your hands in that direction. All people see is some guy starting up a musical performance/oration/dance/etc, instead of someone casting a spell. - As others have said, if the spell has no visible effect, people might have no idea anything's up at all. - In combat, if a spell has a visible effect but doesn't emanate from you, the hostiles might not suspect you. They might target the wizard in your party instead (because obviously the wizard must've used silent/still spell or something!).