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Donald_Cannith 05-29-07, 01:22 AM	Hey I was trying to build a character for Greyhawk Ruins and I got the idea for a Divine Prankster of Zagyg as a gnome. What is the best way to pull it off? Is it possible to take perform comedy for bardic music. Also, I didnt know if I should use Bard or Rogue levels I was unsure so I decided to try this Gnome Str:10(4) Dex: 12(4) Con 14(4) Int:10(2) Wis:14(6) Cha:15(8) I was going to take Cleric first simply because the party needs a Cleric and I am it but here it goes Trickery and Madness Domains Bard 1: Extra Music Cleric 1: Cleric 2: Practiced Spellcaster(Cleric) Cleric 3: Bard 2: Divine Prankster 1: Divine Fortune DP2 dp3: dp4: Ironskin Chant DP5: DP6: DP7:Extra Turning Dp8: dp9: DP10: Arcane Accompaniment or possibly Rogue 1: Dodge Cleric 1 Cleric 2; Titan Fighting Rogue 2: Evasion Cleric 3 DP1: Practised Spellcaster (cleric) DP2 DP3: DP4: Extra Music DP 5: DP6: DP7: Ironskin Chant Dp8 dp9 dp10: Extra Turning
awroe 05-29-07, 04:27 AM	General consensus is that Rogue is a lot better than Bard (trapfinding yay!), and you should only loose one caster level (take more Cleric before Divine Prankster / retrain the skillpoints instead of taking the second level of Rogue).
Donald_Cannith 05-29-07, 12:50 PM	well the group I am playing this chara ter in already has a guy who is going to be rogue primarily so I feel as though there would be some overlap there. Is killing joke not worth losing two levels of casting. If I delay entry into the prestige I lose Killing joke. Is there no other way to do it. The trouble is, with 2 skill points per levelas a cleric moist of skilling up is going to have to be done in other ways. The easiest thing I can think of is taking bard 1st,tho the party needs a cleric and i am it. and simply retraining the skill points from it at 5th level to give myself skillpoints I need and use my cleric stuff on concentration and spell craft to get ironskin chant and practised spellcaster. Are there other threads on this somewhere
_metz_ 05-29-07, 01:32 PM	First of all, I think you should concentrate on your Divine progression, NOT bardic if you need a cleric in your party. Hence go wisdom not cha as primary stat. Secondly, Craft wondrous item is TOO good to pass up, with any character, so you should really take it. Furthermore, should really have con 16 if you are a gnome (otherwise not getting a points benefit). Domains: Trickery and Magic (magic is better than madness, and is just as in character for an archmage's worshiper, gnomes are insane enough to not need the domain anyways) The Divine Prankster stacks for bardic music ,so I would go the bard route if you already have a rogue. I would go: Str: 10 Dex: 10 (buy Heavy Plate) Con: 16 Int: 10 Wis: 15 Cha: 14 Stat boosts to wisdom. Build: 1. Bard1: Extra Music 2. Cleric1: 3. Cleric2: Practiced Spell caster (Cleric) 4. Bard2: 5. Cleric3: 6. Divine Prankster1: Craft Wondrous Item (craft early, craft often) 7. Divine Prankster2: 8. Divine Prankster3: 9. Divine Prankster4: Reach Spell? 10. Divine Prankster5: 11. Divine Prankster6: 12. Divine Prankster7: ??????? 13. Divine Prankster8: 14. Divine Prankster9: 15. Divine Prankster10: ???????? Rest of the feats up to you, but extra music seems like a good idea at some point. This way you are a 13th level cleric, ?(CL 15) and the bard seems more in character.
awroe 05-29-07, 01:45 PM	Are there other threads on this somewhere Relevant LG threads: http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=779758 http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=802627 http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=775457
awroe 05-29-07, 01:55 PM	well the group I am playing this chara ter in already has a guy who is going to be rogue primarily so I feel as though there would be some overlap there. Is killing joke not worth losing two levels of casting. I would say no - while nice, it takes 3 rounds, which rules it out in combat (much better things for you to do for three rounds), and many things are immune to it (mind effecting, language dependent compulsion). Compared with getting all your spells a level earlier? If your party needs a cleric, they may prefer more spells.
awroe 05-29-07, 01:59 PM	to give myself skillpoints I need and use my cleric stuff on concentration and spell craft to get ironskin chant and practised spellcaster. It's not clear to me whether "Comedic Performace" counts as Bardic Music for using Ironskin Chant, so you may be reduced to only two uses per day. If they are useable, Inspire Spellpower looks like a nice feat if you adventure with other casters.
Donald_Cannith 05-29-07, 03:22 PM	With the magic domain Bard 1: Extra Music Cleric 1: Cleric 2: Craft Wondrous item Cleric 3: Cleric 4:Retrain skills to properly qualify for DP DP1: Inspire Spellpower DP2: DP3: DP4:Glorious Weapons DP5 DP6 DP7: Divine Fortune DP8: DP9: DP10: Lingering song or with madness Bard 1: Extra Music Cleric 1: Cleric 2: Spell Focus: Enchantment Cleric 3: Cleric 4: DP1: Enchanting Song DP2 DP3: DP4: Domain Spont ( Madness) DP5 DP6 DP7:Inspire Spellpower DP8 DP9 DP10: Divine Fortune