Enlightened Fist? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Enlightened Fist? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Alpha_Nerd
01-16-07, 01:21 PM What do you guys would think the best way to get into enlightened fist is? I've seen people putting in paladin 2 for charisma to saves, but do you think that lowers your caster level too much? I guess it would be something like this

1 Monk 1
2 Paladin 1
3 Paladin 2
4 Sorc 1
5 Sorc 2
6 Sorc 3
7 Fist

and so on but doesn't that push back Ascetic Mage all the way back to 9th? and would that really be worth it, I mean your saves are going to be good without the charisma bonuses.
jstorrie
01-16-07, 05:34 PM The old cookie-cutter EF build was annihilated by a recent FAQ ruling that Practised Spellcaster does not qualify you for prestige classes; the best EF prefix I've seen since is Mommy Was An Orc's, which uses a Green Star Adept dip to qualify - check through the boards here.
Mommy was an Orc
01-16-07, 06:05 PM I've actually kind of gone back on that. Unfortunately, GSA pushes Ascetic Mage back to 12th, which kind of destroys everything.

I still reasonably like Monk 2/Sorc 3/Pal 2 - it wouldn't be my first choice, particularly at APL 8, but the Paladin levels mean I'm really about the equivalent of a Monk 5 at 5th, except with better specials and worse wisdom.

It does mean sacrificing spellcasting, but I view the character as an improved Monk who happens to cast spells. Rather than a weak caster with a bad Fort Save who shouldn't be on the front line.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Alpha_Nerd 01-16-07, 01:21 PM	What do you guys would think the best way to get into enlightened fist is? I've seen people putting in paladin 2 for charisma to saves, but do you think that lowers your caster level too much? I guess it would be something like this 1 Monk 1 2 Paladin 1 3 Paladin 2 4 Sorc 1 5 Sorc 2 6 Sorc 3 7 Fist and so on but doesn't that push back Ascetic Mage all the way back to 9th? and would that really be worth it, I mean your saves are going to be good without the charisma bonuses.
jstorrie 01-16-07, 05:34 PM	The old cookie-cutter EF build was annihilated by a recent FAQ ruling that Practised Spellcaster does not qualify you for prestige classes; the best EF prefix I've seen since is Mommy Was An Orc's, which uses a Green Star Adept dip to qualify - check through the boards here.
Mommy was an Orc 01-16-07, 06:05 PM	I've actually kind of gone back on that. Unfortunately, GSA pushes Ascetic Mage back to 12th, which kind of destroys everything. I still reasonably like Monk 2/Sorc 3/Pal 2 - it wouldn't be my first choice, particularly at APL 8, but the Paladin levels mean I'm really about the equivalent of a Monk 5 at 5th, except with better specials and worse wisdom. It does mean sacrificing spellcasting, but I view the character as an improved Monk who happens to cast spells. Rather than a weak caster with a bad Fort Save who shouldn't be on the front line.