How to Start a Divine Crusader of Cladagin Silverbeard? [Archive] - Wizards Community

How to Start a Divine Crusader of Cladagin Silverbeard? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Lightblade
04-07-07, 04:13 PM Hi, all. At some point i'd like to make a martial character that hopes to become a Knight of the Watch. Flipping throught the books, it seemed like being a Divine Crusader of Cladagin Silverbeard with the Competition domain would be a nice way to go. I know a dwarf's CHA hit is hard on a divine crusader, but so long as I take advantage of the boosted CON, it should all even out, i guess.

Trouble is, i'm at a loss at deciding how to start him out. I've decided on a combination of Fighter, Knight, and Paladin levels to get to 7 BAB, but not sure how to arrange them. Ideas i've thrown around in my head:

Knight3 / Fighter 4
Knight 3 / Fighter 2 / Paladin 2
Knight 3 / Fighter 1 / Paladin 3
Knight 3 / Paladin 4
Knight 2 / Fighter 2 / Paladin 3
Knight 2 / Fighter 4 / Paladin 1

Attibutes would be Str 14 Dex 10 Con 16 Int 10 Wis 10 Cha 14
(or Wis 12 / Cha 13 if i end up with 4 levels of Paladin)

Note that the Knights of the Watch require the feat Mounted Combat, so I don't see a point in only taking one level. On the flip side, as a dwarf I don't need the Knight 4 Armor Mastery ability.

Also, I haven't considered any prestiege classes I could take before starting up Divine Crusader. If there are any you think would fit especially well, please let me know.
jstorrie
04-07-07, 05:27 PM Do you have access and plan on taking the Knight of the Watch prestige class, or would you like to build using other character classes? If you could briefly outline the requirements and benefits of the Knight of the Watch prestige class that'd help, too, as it's a bit obscure.
Lightblade
04-07-07, 05:47 PM I didn't mean he'd take the Knight of the Watch PrC, just that he'd be a member of the metaorg.
Mommy was an Orc
04-07-07, 06:02 PM I don't like Knight in a Dwarf build - Knight 2/Fighter 1/Paladin 4 is a very natural route to Divine Crusader, but not when you'll take an XP penalty for it.

You might want to check out Hospitaler and Beastmaster. Beastmaster will get you a mount that might survive an attack without penalizing you if it does die.

And therefore, I'd probably go any of the following four routes:
Fighter 2/Paladin 4/Beastmaster 1(turning for divine might)
Fighter 4/Paladin 2/Beastmaster 1(melee weapon mastery at 9th)
Knight 2/Fighter 2/Paladin 2/Beastmaster 1(mount, good charisma synergy, and no XP penalty - probably the most natural build)
Fighter 2/Paladin 4/Hospitaler 1(free rideby attack)
Jay_Ibero_911
04-10-07, 10:46 AM Hi, all. At some point i'd like to make a martial character that hopes to become a Knight of the Watch. Flipping throught the books, it seemed like being a Divine Crusader of Cladagin Silverbeard with the Competition domain would be a nice way to go. I know a dwarf's CHA hit is hard on a divine crusader, but so long as I take advantage of the boosted CON, it should all even out, i guess.

Trouble is, i'm at a loss at deciding how to start him out. I've decided on a combination of Fighter, Knight, and Paladin levels to get to 7 BAB, but not sure how to arrange them. Ideas i've thrown around in my head:

Knight3 / Fighter 4
Knight 3 / Fighter 2 / Paladin 2
Knight 3 / Fighter 1 / Paladin 3
Knight 3 / Paladin 4
Knight 2 / Fighter 2 / Paladin 3
Knight 2 / Fighter 4 / Paladin 1

Attibutes would be Str 14 Dex 10 Con 16 Int 10 Wis 10 Cha 14
(or Wis 12 / Cha 13 if i end up with 4 levels of Paladin)

Note that the Knights of the Watch require the feat Mounted Combat, so I don't see a point in only taking one level. On the flip side, as a dwarf I don't need the Knight 4 Armor Mastery ability.

Also, I haven't considered any prestiege classes I could take before starting up Divine Crusader. If there are any you think would fit especially well, please let me know.

Hmm...I'd say Knight3/Paladin2/Fighter2 or Knight3/Paladin4 as your best bets. Depends on exactly what you want to do with him though, you may or may not need the extra feats from fighter. Alternately, you may want to try Knight2/Paladin2/Fighter2/Pious Templar1 to pick up mettle. Or Knight2/Paladin2/Fighter1/Pious Templar1/Hospitaler1...ok I'm just being silly now...
bitznarf
04-10-07, 03:44 PM Or Knight2/Paladin2/Fighter1/Pious Templar1/Hospitaler1...ok I'm just being silly now...
But its a good kind of silly. Without at least looking at all the options, you may miss out on something. Although for this sort of a character, Ride-by-Attack is pretty much a wasted feat. And you still need 1st level Divine spells to qualify.
Jay_Ibero_911
04-10-07, 08:53 PM But its a good kind of silly. Without at least looking at all the options, you may miss out on something. Although for this sort of a character, Ride-by-Attack is pretty much a wasted feat. And you still need 1st level Divine spells to qualify.

Pious templar satisfies the divine casting at least, assuming 12 wisdom...

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Lightblade 04-07-07, 04:13 PM	Hi, all. At some point i'd like to make a martial character that hopes to become a Knight of the Watch. Flipping throught the books, it seemed like being a Divine Crusader of Cladagin Silverbeard with the Competition domain would be a nice way to go. I know a dwarf's CHA hit is hard on a divine crusader, but so long as I take advantage of the boosted CON, it should all even out, i guess. Trouble is, i'm at a loss at deciding how to start him out. I've decided on a combination of Fighter, Knight, and Paladin levels to get to 7 BAB, but not sure how to arrange them. Ideas i've thrown around in my head: Knight3 / Fighter 4 Knight 3 / Fighter 2 / Paladin 2 Knight 3 / Fighter 1 / Paladin 3 Knight 3 / Paladin 4 Knight 2 / Fighter 2 / Paladin 3 Knight 2 / Fighter 4 / Paladin 1 Attibutes would be Str 14 Dex 10 Con 16 Int 10 Wis 10 Cha 14 (or Wis 12 / Cha 13 if i end up with 4 levels of Paladin) Note that the Knights of the Watch require the feat Mounted Combat, so I don't see a point in only taking one level. On the flip side, as a dwarf I don't need the Knight 4 Armor Mastery ability. Also, I haven't considered any prestiege classes I could take before starting up Divine Crusader. If there are any you think would fit especially well, please let me know.
jstorrie 04-07-07, 05:27 PM	Do you have access and plan on taking the Knight of the Watch prestige class, or would you like to build using other character classes? If you could briefly outline the requirements and benefits of the Knight of the Watch prestige class that'd help, too, as it's a bit obscure.
Lightblade 04-07-07, 05:47 PM	I didn't mean he'd take the Knight of the Watch PrC, just that he'd be a member of the metaorg.
Mommy was an Orc 04-07-07, 06:02 PM	I don't like Knight in a Dwarf build - Knight 2/Fighter 1/Paladin 4 is a very natural route to Divine Crusader, but not when you'll take an XP penalty for it. You might want to check out Hospitaler and Beastmaster. Beastmaster will get you a mount that might survive an attack without penalizing you if it does die. And therefore, I'd probably go any of the following four routes: Fighter 2/Paladin 4/Beastmaster 1(turning for divine might) Fighter 4/Paladin 2/Beastmaster 1(melee weapon mastery at 9th) Knight 2/Fighter 2/Paladin 2/Beastmaster 1(mount, good charisma synergy, and no XP penalty - probably the most natural build) Fighter 2/Paladin 4/Hospitaler 1(free rideby attack)
Jay_Ibero_911 04-10-07, 10:46 AM	Hi, all. At some point i'd like to make a martial character that hopes to become a Knight of the Watch. Flipping throught the books, it seemed like being a Divine Crusader of Cladagin Silverbeard with the Competition domain would be a nice way to go. I know a dwarf's CHA hit is hard on a divine crusader, but so long as I take advantage of the boosted CON, it should all even out, i guess. Trouble is, i'm at a loss at deciding how to start him out. I've decided on a combination of Fighter, Knight, and Paladin levels to get to 7 BAB, but not sure how to arrange them. Ideas i've thrown around in my head: Knight3 / Fighter 4 Knight 3 / Fighter 2 / Paladin 2 Knight 3 / Fighter 1 / Paladin 3 Knight 3 / Paladin 4 Knight 2 / Fighter 2 / Paladin 3 Knight 2 / Fighter 4 / Paladin 1 Attibutes would be Str 14 Dex 10 Con 16 Int 10 Wis 10 Cha 14 (or Wis 12 / Cha 13 if i end up with 4 levels of Paladin) Note that the Knights of the Watch require the feat Mounted Combat, so I don't see a point in only taking one level. On the flip side, as a dwarf I don't need the Knight 4 Armor Mastery ability. Also, I haven't considered any prestiege classes I could take before starting up Divine Crusader. If there are any you think would fit especially well, please let me know. Hmm...I'd say Knight3/Paladin2/Fighter2 or Knight3/Paladin4 as your best bets. Depends on exactly what you want to do with him though, you may or may not need the extra feats from fighter. Alternately, you may want to try Knight2/Paladin2/Fighter2/Pious Templar1 to pick up mettle. Or Knight2/Paladin2/Fighter1/Pious Templar1/Hospitaler1...ok I'm just being silly now...
bitznarf 04-10-07, 03:44 PM	Or Knight2/Paladin2/Fighter1/Pious Templar1/Hospitaler1...ok I'm just being silly now... But its a good kind of silly. Without at least looking at all the options, you may miss out on something. Although for this sort of a character, Ride-by-Attack is pretty much a wasted feat. And you still need 1st level Divine spells to qualify.
Jay_Ibero_911 04-10-07, 08:53 PM	But its a good kind of silly. Without at least looking at all the options, you may miss out on something. Although for this sort of a character, Ride-by-Attack is pretty much a wasted feat. And you still need 1st level Divine spells to qualify. Pious templar satisfies the divine casting at least, assuming 12 wisdom...