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Jay_Ibero_911 03-01-07, 04:47 PM	Race:Gnome Alignment:Lawful Good->Neutral Good (Gaerdal Ironhand, Courage+War), (Garl Glittergold, Community+Liberation), (Fharlanghn, Luck+Travel), (Heironeous, Courage+War), (Istus, Luck+Destiny), (Kord, Luck+Courage), (Rao, Mind+Community)... STR-15 (8)-2 DEX-10 (2) CON-14 (6)+2 INT-10 (2) WIS-12 (4) CHA-14 (6) Lv1(Knight)Skill Focus (Handle Animal) Lv2(Knight)Mounted Combat Lv3(Fighter)Ride-by Attack, Spirited Charge Lv4(Fighter)Power Attack, +1 STR Lv5(Druid) Lv6(Beastmaster)Track Lv7(Wild Plains Outrider) Lv8(Cleric)+1 STR Lv9(Marhsal)Divine Might, Skill Focus (Diplomacy) Lv10(Marhsal) Lv11(Barbarian) Lv12(Hospitaler)Extra Rage, Weapon Focus (Lance), +1 STR Lv13(Wild Plains Outrider) Lv14(Wild Plains Outrider) Lv15(Beastmaster)Natural Bond (If you get access), Alertness God and domains are pretty much the only variable here. Riding Dog animal companion. Lose Knight's Challenge when you stop being lawful, and probably stick with metal armor at the expense of a few druid spells. All this and no XP penalty...What do you think? Just for an example: 15th level Spirited Charge, +6 belt, +6 cloak, rage Attack Bonus:BAB+12, +8 str, +1 weapon, +1 focus, +1 size, +1 Marshal, +2 Charge, +1 Size=+27 Damage=3d6, +3 weapon, +36 str, +15 marshal, +15 divine might=3d6+69 Max power attack: +15 for 3d6+141
bitznarf 03-01-07, 04:51 PM	Race:Gnome Alignment:Lawful Good->Neutral Good Don't you know Gnomes are evil (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=800859).
Jay_Ibero_911 03-01-07, 04:55 PM	Don't you know Gnomes are evil (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=800859). Well of course. He's just writing "good" on his character sheet to throw off "the man"...
LachlarlanIII 03-01-07, 05:05 PM	Race:Halfling Alignment:Lawful Good (Yondalla) STR-15 (8)-2 DEX-10 (2)+2 CON-14 (6) INT-10 (2) WIS-12 (4) CHA-14 (6) Lv1(Knight)Skill Focus (Handle Animal) Lv2(Knight)Mounted Combat Lv3(Fighter)Ride-by Attack, Track Lv4(Fighter)Spirited Charge, +1 STR Lv5(Druid) Lv6(Beastmaster)Mounted Archery Lv7(Wild Plains Outrider) Lv8(Cleric)+1 STR Lv9(Marhsal)Weapon Focus (Short Sword), Skill Focus (Diplomacy) Lv10(Paladin) Lv11(Paladin) Lv12(Hospitaler)True Believer, Weapon Focus (Lance), +1 STR Lv13(Pious Templar) Lv14(Halfling Outrider) Lv15(Cavalier)Natural Bond (If you get access), Alertness God and domains are pretty much the only variable here. Riding Dog animal companion. Lose Knight's Challenge when you stop being lawful, and probably stick with metal armor at the expense of a few druid spells. All this and no XP penalty...What do you think? I win. :D (changes are bolded)
Jay_Ibero_911 03-01-07, 05:18 PM	I win. :D Ok, so I've been defied...But you trade 2HD on your mount my swapping that last beastmaster level. Cavalier only stacks for Special Mounts, not animal companions....
LachlarlanIII 03-01-07, 05:23 PM	Ok, so I've been defied...But you trade 2HD on your mount my swapping that last beastmaster level. Cavalier only stacks for Special Mounts, not animal companions.... This is true, but with the lvl of Halfling Outrider, you can count it as a paladin mount and a druid companion. (not sure how much that adds though) Also, you only asked to make it more mutted, not more mutted and effective :P
Jay_Ibero_911 03-01-07, 05:30 PM	This is true, but with the lvl of Halfling Outrider, you can count it as a paladin mount and a druid companion. (not sure how much that adds though) Also, you only asked to make it more mutted, not more mutted and effective :P Oh, and it's not a legal build...Track is a pre-req for Wild Plains Outrider....And while Halfling Outrider stacks for both Animal Companion and Special Mount, it doesn't make one into the other, and so Cavalier still doesn't stack with the rest for your mount...
LachlarlanIII 03-01-07, 05:42 PM	Oh, and it's not a legal build...Track is a pre-req for Wild Plains Outrider....And while Halfling Outrider stacks for both Animal Companion and Special Mount, it doesn't make one into the other, and so Cavalier still doesn't stack with the rest for your mount... I've already fixed it. I think I could also squeeze a level of Pious Templar in somewhere as well :D Added one level of Pious Templar :D
Jay_Ibero_911 03-01-07, 06:05 PM	I've already fixed it. I think I could also squeeze a level of Pious Templar in somewhere as well :D Added one level of Pious Templar :D Ok...beat me by one class...12 to my 11...Mutt master supreme...Now for the real challenge, can you do it and make it more effective too?
LachlarlanIII 03-01-07, 06:06 PM	I also added 2 levels of Paladin to add Cha to saves :D I'm having fun with this build :D
LachlarlanIII 03-01-07, 06:09 PM	Ok...beat me by one class...12 to my 11...Mutt master supreme...Now for the real challenge, can you do it and make it more effective too? I actually need to look at my books to find out exactly what each effective level of animal companionship comes out to.
Jay_Ibero_911 03-01-07, 06:10 PM	I also added 2 levels of Paladin to add Cha to saves :D I'm having fun with this build :D Still at 12 classes, but you are definately making it your own...
LachlarlanIII 03-01-07, 06:19 PM	Ok...beat me by one class...12 to my 11...Mutt master supreme...Now for the real challenge, can you do it and make it more effective too? I'm only counting 9 different classes in your original build. 1. Knight 2. Fighter 3. Druid 4. Beastmaster 5. Wild Plains Outrider 6. Cleric 7. Marshal. 8. Barbarian 9. Hospitaler Did I miss any? :confused:
Jay_Ibero_911 03-01-07, 06:21 PM	I'm only counting 9 different classes in your original build. 1. Knight 2. Fighter 3. Druid 4. Beastmaster 5. Wild Plains Outrider 6. Cleric 7. Marshal. 8. Barbarian 9. Hospitaler Did I miss any? :confused: D'oh...stupid brain...I should really try to think about things I'm trying to think about...
LachlarlanIII 03-01-07, 06:23 PM	D'oh...stupid brain...I should really try to think about things I'm trying to think about... I forgive you ;) There's so many things going on in these builds it's hard to differentiate them. :D
Jay_Ibero_911 03-01-07, 06:25 PM	I forgive you ;) There's so many things going on in these builds it's hard to differentiate them. :D Hey, you already have track, you might be able to squeeze a level of dark hunter in there by swapping weapon focus (shortsword) for blind fight, and then dropping lance for shortsword focus at the hospitaler level....
jhorred 03-01-07, 09:00 PM	Swap one level of Paladin for a level of Ranger....
paigeoliver 03-02-07, 12:36 AM	Ok, this build uses 15 different classes, ends up with a +12 BAB, but doesn't lose one at all until 8th level. Race human. Stats a bunch of scores that are all 12 and 14, with maybe a 15 or 16 str. 1. Ranger. Mounted Combat, Ride by attack 2. Barbarian 3. Fighter. Spirited Charge, Power Attack. 4. Hexblade 5 Swashbuckler 6. Knight, Skill Focus Handle Animal 7. Beastmaster 8. Marshall 9. Animal Lord (Wolflord or catlord). Blind Fight 10. Bloodhound 11. Wild Plains Outrider. 12. Rogue, Endurance 13. Highland Stalker. 14. Dark Hunter 15. Exemplar. - Weapon Focus Lance!!!
clik_ml 03-02-07, 10:10 AM	1-Barb/ 2-Ftr/ 3-Swash/ 4-Druid/ 5-Knight/ 6-Rgr/ 7-Hospitaler/ 8-Beastmaster/ 9-Marshal/ 10-HalflingOutrider/ 11-AnimalLord(wolf)/ 12-WildPlainsOutrider/ 13-ConsectratedHarrier/ 14-Bloodhound/ 15-HorizonWalker/ Deep Halfling 13/10/14/10/12/14 (all bumps to str) BAB +13 (drops only to druid and marshal, at levels 4 and 9 respectively) Feats: 1)Mounted Combat 2)Ride By Attack 3)Spirited Charge 3)Weapon Finesse 6)Track 6)Skill Focus (handle animal) 7)Power Attack 9)Mounted Archery 9)Skill Focus (diplomacy) 12)Endurance 15)Natural Bond Self critiques: * Alignment shift from true neutral to lawful neutral early on (pre-druid). * The skills requirements are fairly easy to accomplish, didn't bother detailing the process on those. * Endurance and the last few prestige classes were chosen mostly due to my laziness. * I could have plugged in a pious templar and removed the druid level in order to net one more BAB, but I like boosting the animal companion. * Natural Bond isn't open, but it is so easy to get access to that I consider it a non-issue by level 15. Nice notes: * It's a halfling, the master race. * consistent ability to spirited charge makes any build workable * Ends up with equivalent druid level 11 (1 druid, 1 animal lord, 1 halfling outirder, 1 wild plains outrider, 4 beast master, 3 natural bond) for the animal companion/mount * 15 classes
TheBlackFlail 03-03-07, 04:43 AM	Now you just need to find a way to squeeze Shock Trooper in there...
Mommy was an Orc 03-05-07, 04:05 PM	I think the build is trying to hard too be complex for the sake of complexity, without necessarily examining why it is being complex. Look at the following build based off of yours: Lv1(Ranger) Track, Skill Focus (Handle Animal) Lv2(Knight) Lv3(Knight ) Mounted Combat,Ride-by Attack Lv4(Cleric) +1 STR Lv5(Fighter) Spirited Charge Lv6(Beastmaster)Power Attack Lv7(Wild Plains Outrider) Lv8(Wild Plains Outrider)+1 STR Lv9(Marhsal)Divine Might, Skill Focus (Diplomacy) Lv10(Marhsal) Lv11(Barbarian) Lv12(Fighter)Extra Rage, Weapon Focus (Lance), +1 STR Lv13(Wild Plains Outrider) Lv14(Wolf Lord) Lv15(Beastmaster)Natural Bond (If you get access), Alertness Same feats, one less BAB lost, lose Druid spells you weren't planning to cast anyway, lose 2 hp, gain 12 skill points. Exact same animal companion progression except for level 5. If the losing of 2 hp is a big deal, just move Ranger to 5th and Knight 2/Cleric 1/Fighter 1 up 1. And mind you, I'm not sure what the huge benefit of this build is over something simpler.
Jay_Ibero_911 03-05-07, 05:17 PM	I think the build is trying to hard too be complex for the sake of complexity, without necessarily examining why it is being complex. Look at the following build based off of yours: Lv1(Ranger) Track, Skill Focus (Handle Animal) Lv2(Knight) Lv3(Knight ) Mounted Combat,Ride-by Attack Lv4(Cleric) +1 STR Lv5(Fighter) Spirited Charge Lv6(Beastmaster)Power Attack Lv7(Wild Plains Outrider) Lv8(Wild Plains Outrider)+1 STR Lv9(Marhsal)Divine Might, Skill Focus (Diplomacy) Lv10(Marhsal) Lv11(Barbarian) Lv12(Fighter)Extra Rage, Weapon Focus (Lance), +1 STR Lv13(Wild Plains Outrider) Lv14(Wolf Lord) Lv15(Beastmaster)Natural Bond (If you get access), Alertness Same feats, one less BAB lost, lose Druid spells you weren't planning to cast anyway, lose 2 hp, gain 12 skill points. Exact same animal companion progression except for level 5. If the losing of 2 hp is a big deal, just move Ranger to 5th and Knight 2/Cleric 1/Fighter 1 up 1. And mind you, I'm not sure what the huge benefit of this build is over something simpler. Depends on what you mean by "simpler". The idea was to collect as much of the typical mounted combat stuff as possible while also having a tough mount. Your version is an overall improvement, is just a bit slower in becoming calvalry over the first few levels, but at that point it's just as easy to be a normal melee combatant. So good call there. Animal Lord is easy to overlook...
Mommy was an Orc 03-05-07, 07:46 PM	Depends on what you mean by "simpler". I think there's a tendency to ignore just what a Paladin 15 or nearly pure Fighter 2/Paladin 12/Hospitaler 1 does. It gains spells, mount, and a really nasty smite. The 2nd build is a bit weaker on those three things, but it adds in 3 feats, something a pure Paladin needs pretty badly to be good at Divine Might, Smiting, and a Mount.
clannagh 03-05-07, 08:08 PM	I think there's a tendency to ignore just what a Paladin 15 or nearly pure Fighter 2/Paladin 12/Hospitaler 1 does. It gains spells, mount, and a really nasty smite. The 2nd build is a bit weaker on those three things, but it adds in 3 feats, something a pure Paladin needs pretty badly to be good at Divine Might, Smiting, and a Mount. Paladin/cavalier can also work.
haferka 03-06-07, 12:03 AM	Race:Halfing Alignment:Lawful Good STR-15 (8)-2 DEX-10 (0)+2 CON-14 (8) INT-10 (2) WIS-12 (4) CHA-14 (6) Lv1(Ranger)Track, Skill Focus(handle animal) Lv2(Knight) Lv3(Knight)Mounted Combat, Ride-by Attack Lv4(Fighter)Spirited Charge, +1 STR Lv5(Fighter)Power Attack Lv6(Beastmaster)???? Lv7(Marshal) Lv8(Paladin)+1 STR Lv9(Paladin)Divine Might Lv10(Paladin) Lv11(Paladin) Lv12(Paladin)Devoted Tracker, +1 STR Lv13(Halfing Outrider) Lv14(Halfing Outrider) Lv15(Halfing Outrider)???? Total # Classes = 7 Lvl12 is the key.. "Devoted Tracker" Paladin mount gains animal companion bonus HD & abilities... 13+ Is all HO, since it adds to your effective Druid & Paladin lvl for the abilities of ONE creature (Since your one creature gets both.. add halfing outrider lvls to both...
clik_ml 03-06-07, 03:19 AM	Lv1(Ranger)Track Lv2(Knight) Lv3(Knight)Mounted Combat, Ride-by Attack Lv4(Fighter)Spirited Charge, +1 STR Lv5(Fighter)Power Attack Lv6(Beastmaster)???? Lv7(Paladin) Lv8(Cleric)+1 STR Lv9(Paladin)Divine Might Lv10(Paladin) Lv11(Paladin) Lv12(Paladin)Devoted Tracker, +1 STR Couple problems with this build. You can't leave the paladin class for cleric then return to paladin. This is easily fixed by getting rid of the cleric level, since it brings little to nothing useful to the build. A very good swap for the cleric level (say before the paladin levels begin) would be 1 level of Marshal for the "Over the top" aura, which adds cha modifier to damage on charges. Second problem is probably an oversight. No level 1 feat is chosen; however, you still need to take the Skill Focus(Handle Animal) to qualify for beastmaster so I presume that's what was supposed to go there. Level 6 and 9 feats should probably go towards ImpBullRush+ShockTrooper, however Divine Might and Natural Bond would make acceptable substitutes.