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boogahwoof 06-17-07, 02:38 AM	I submitted my thread on my sorcerer i was going into energy sub and admix with, well recently i got access to the occular spell meta magic feat out of the lords of madness. Just wondering if anyone is familiar with it and if its worth it?
ithardin 06-17-07, 03:02 AM	Ocular spell (pg 181 of Lords of Madness) basically lets you cast a spell into each of your eyes. They are then stored there until you use a full-round action to fire them as beams from your eye(s). It changes the spells to ray spells with a range of 60' I think they can only be stored for up to 8 hours and there are restrictions on which spells can be stored/cast as ocular spells. The example in the book is casting/storing two scorching ray spells in your eyes, storing them until you wish to cast them as a full-round action from your eyes. Ian
Timlagor 06-17-07, 02:22 PM	I think it's a cool Feat and good too if you can land Rays but I don't think it's terribly overpowered. It's probably better for a Sorceror than for a Wizard because Quicken is so much harder for Sorcs and they have fewer spells to choose from anyway so picking 'the right 2' for the eyes in advance isn't such a limitation ...and they have more slots to burn on Metamagic. I would take it if it's a serious option but I haven't used or even seen it in action so my opinion is entirely theoretical.
ithardin 06-17-07, 03:30 PM	It might be interesting for a fighter/wizard type to have a couple of back-up spells stored in the ole eyeballs. I bet the spellswords out there could think of some sneaky things to do with it. And firing them from your eyes leaves your hands free. Is there a situation where using this could help a wizard who is grappled? Let's hear from the brain trust!
UMiskatonic 06-17-07, 03:44 PM	Yeah, like whenever you are grappled. Remember, you've pretty much cast the spell. So no need to get out components, concentrate, or win a grapple check. Just let it rip.
magebeast 06-18-07, 12:36 AM	I have access to it on my sorcerer. I'm retraining my 6th level feat into twin post RHOD. I'll be taking Ocular Spell at 12th. I'll just toss a couple of twinned Scorching Rays into my eyes, and let them go whenever I feel the need. Sure, it'll burn half of my 6th level spells for the day, but I sort of think that 12 rays @ 4d6 damage each as a full round action would be kind of neat.
Maesto 06-18-07, 12:59 AM	I have access to it on my sorcerer. I'm retraining my 6th level feat into twin post RHOD. I'll be taking Ocular Spell at 12th. I'll just toss a couple of twinned Scorching Rays into my eyes, and let them go whenever I feel the need. Sure, it'll burn half of my 6th level spells for the day, but I sort of think that 12 rays @ 4d6 damage each as a full round action would be kind of neat. Not sure that this will work - remember Twinned bumps up the level by four, and Occular spell bumps up the level by 2, so a twinned ocular spell scorching ray would take an 8th level spell slot...
copper_wyrmling 06-18-07, 01:40 AM	Not sure that this will work - remember Twinned bumps up the level by four, and Occular spell bumps up the level by 2, so a twinned ocular spell scorching ray would take an 8th level spell slot... Yeah - when my sorc / wild mage gets it, at L15 (I can't retrain into it because I didn't have the Knowledge (Dungeoneering) prereq when I took any of my earlier feats) she might do something like storing two empowered scorching rays and casting a quickened scorching ray. It'll be cooler at L16 when she can add split ray to the mix (two split empowered ocular rays + quickened empowered ray), or do ocular split ray enervations + quickened enervation, but I guess I'll just have to wait for the high-level campaign ;) I was delighted when I got access to the feat with that character - she's a ray-specialist so it's quite powerful for her mechanically, and from a flavor perspective, being able to shoot rays out of her eyes is just very cool :) I probably would NOT take it with my wannabe-shadowcraft-mage sorceress, as she doesn't have enough spells to which the feat is applicable.
magebeast 06-18-07, 10:39 AM	Not sure that this will work - remember Twinned bumps up the level by four, and Occular spell bumps up the level by 2, so a twinned ocular spell scorching ray would take an 8th level spell slot... Does it bump it by 2? Man, I must be reading that description too fast. EDIT: Oh, sheesh, it's on the second column on the page, and I never looked over because it appeared to be complete. I don't think I'll be picking this one up anymore.
Timlagor 06-18-07, 11:39 AM	I would require at least a concentration check to release them in a grapple (if I allowed it at all) since it's a full round action and you could probably only target others in the grapple.
magebeast 06-18-07, 08:37 PM	I would require at least a concentration check to release them in a grapple (if I allowed it at all) since it's a full round action and you could probably only target others in the grapple. I could maybe understand why you would only let them target the person in the grapple, but the spells have already been cast. What's your justification for a concentration check?
LGMoses 06-19-07, 01:58 AM	o man thats friggin awesome!
ithardin 06-19-07, 12:19 PM	Yeah, I don't see why a concentration check would be needed (unless it would have something to do with damage you receive while in the grapple). You just look at the fella/thing/bear warrior/etc and BLAST EM!
Timlagor 06-21-07, 04:39 PM	It's a full round action to release the spells (..or I may be going loopy but I'm pretty sure it is) so it's clearly not a quick and easy thing to do.