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Tahldrehlian 01-10-07, 10:07 PM	Hello. I am playin in an intro mod this saturday... This will be my tertiary LG character and I really want to build something leading into an optimized Justiciar. I was looking at Ranger 2/Fighter 2/Rogue 3/Justiciar 8 (have to get 8 levels for Improved Hog Tie). Either Human or Dwarf. Any Suggestions?
_m_ 01-10-07, 11:20 PM	Hello. I am playin in an intro mod this saturday... This will be my tertiary LG character and I really want to build something leading into an optimized Justiciar. I was looking at Ranger 2/Fighter 2/Rogue 3/Justiciar 8 (have to get 8 levels for Improved Hog Tie). Either Human or Dwarf. Any Suggestions? i'd suggest paladin, cause imo it leads into justicar better. and i'd suggest human, since ul prolly need a bunch of feats to make it work very well. and id suggest reading mommy / me / arv / britts thread about magical manacles, as it seems to be a stumbling block for justicars atm. i'd also consider looking at... gwumph i think started it... the pinning / grappling thread, as theres some issues coming up there too.
Jay_Ibero_911 01-11-07, 12:18 AM	You know, by taking one level of bloodhound at 6th, you can make it into justiciar at 7th, squeezing in one more level of the class. Ranger 3, Fighter 2 works well to get there...
Tahldrehlian 01-11-07, 02:04 PM	Here's something I've come up with. Ranger - Power Attack Fighter - Weapon Focus (Dwarven Waraxe) Fighter - Skill Focus (Gather Info), Improved Bull Rush Rogue Rogue Rogue - Shock Trooper Exotic Weapon Master - Uncanny Blow Stunt Justiciar up to 15. Dwarf. 16 12 17 10 12 6
Mommy was an Orc 01-11-07, 02:39 PM	Here's something I've come up with. Ranger - Power Attack Fighter - Weapon Focus (Dwarven Waraxe) Fighter - Skill Focus (Gather Info), Improved Bull Rush Rogue Rogue Rogue - Shock Trooper Exotic Weapon Master - Uncanny Blow Stunt Justiciar up to 15. Dwarf. 16 12 17 10 12 6 You need Track and a +6 BAB to take Shock Trooper and Exotic Weapon Master...
Mommy was an Orc 01-11-07, 02:41 PM	You know, by taking one level of bloodhound at 6th, you can make it into justiciar at 7th, squeezing in one more level of the class. Ranger 3, Fighter 2 works well to get there... Except then you can't trapfind...
Morgen 01-11-07, 02:54 PM	You need Track and a +6 BAB to take Shock Trooper and Exotic Weapon Master... They took a level of Ranger at 1st level, they've got Track. :) So why the rogue levels is my big question. Ranger should get you any of the skills you need and your nonlethal damage and sneak attack would only combine with a sap. I think that's the way it works at least, sneak attack damage has to be done with a subdual attack to be nonlethal. All Justicar does is allow you to not take a penalty to your attack when doing subdual damage. Unless it was a mercyful weapon? Kudos to anyone trying to play a Justicar! If I hadn't just made an illusionist I'd have probably tried to make one myself. So many classes to try out! :)
Mommy was an Orc 01-11-07, 02:59 PM	They took a level of Ranger at 1st level, they've got Track. :) Now he does...
ShinAkuma2 01-11-07, 03:37 PM	Except then you can't trapfind... Given 2 Rogue levels, you won't be doing much Trapfinding (or, more importantly, disabling) anyway. Unless you're content to use a lot of cross-class points...I usually try to avoid that when possible.
Mommy was an Orc 01-11-07, 03:39 PM	Given 2 Rogue levels, you won't be doing much Trapfinding (or, more importantly, disabling) anyway. Unless you're content to use a lot of cross-class points...I usually try to avoid that when possible. Justiciar has both Search and Disable Device as class skills and if you spread out the Rogue levels, it isn't a problem.
clannagh 01-11-07, 07:09 PM	Justiciar has both Search and Disable Device as class skills and if you spread out the Rogue levels, it isn't a problem. If you can squeeze in tactile trapsmith that will bypass the low INT issue as well
Jay_Ibero_911 01-11-07, 07:23 PM	Justiciar has both Search and Disable Device as class skills and if you spread out the Rogue levels, it isn't a problem. Actually, they get open lock, but not disable device...
awroe 01-12-07, 02:56 PM	your nonlethal damage and sneak attack would only combine with a sap. I think that's the way it works at least, sneak attack damage has to be done with a subdual attack to be nonlethal. All Justicar does is allow you to not take a penalty to your attack when doing subdual damage. Unless it was a mercyful weapon? I'm not convinced that this is the case. Justicar allows you to do nonlethal damage with any melee weapon with no penalty. Sneak attack requires optimal weapon usage (which no penalty would seem to be?) and is of the same type as the source damage (e.g. sneaking with scorching ray does fire, sneaking with non-lethal weapon should do non-lethal?). I suppose it should be the same as a Rogue/Monk trying to sneak attack with non-lethal fists. Edit: Except that unarmed strike is specifically exempt, of course. AW.
Tahldrehlian 01-12-07, 05:44 PM	Ranger - Power Attack Fighter - Weapon Focus (Waraxe) Fighter - Skill Focus Gather Info, Improved Bull Rush Fighter Fighter - Weapon Specialization (Waraxe) Hexblade - Shock Trooper EWM - Stunt: Uncanny Blow Justiciar 8-15 The Hexblade is really just for +1 BAB and +2 to will saves. My Hexblade Curse will only have a 8 DC... but a 1 always fails!