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Knight Build [Archive] - Wizards Community

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LachlarlanIII
02-06-07, 02:09 PM Lawful Neutral Human

Str 15, Dex 14, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 8, Cha 14

1: Knight 1 - Combat Reflexes, Power Attack
2: Knight 2 - Mounted Combat
3: Knight 3 - Hold the Line
4: Knight 4 - Str 16
5: Knight 5 - Quick Draw
6: Knight 6 - Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Bastard Sword)
7: Hexblade 1
8: Hexblade 2 - Str 17
9: Fighter 1 - Improved Critical (BS), Weapon Focus (BS)
10: Fighter 2 - Close-Quarters Fighting
11: Fighter 3
12: Fighter 4 - Blind-Fight, Weapon Specialization (BS), Str 18
13: Fighter 5
14: Fighter 6 - Ride-By Attack
15: Fighter 7 - Improved Toughness
16-20: Fighter 8-12

Alternate build for those of you from mostly Good regions:

Change alignment to LG and replace Hexblade levels with Paladin levels.

Straightforward tank/basher that can use Knight's Challenge to keep an enemy's focus, cork doorways, and deal moderate damage back. Decent saves against magical attacks.
Cynric
02-06-07, 11:13 PM Looks fine to me. Assuming that the LGCS when it arrives in the next day or so, allows the Knight class.
DerekSTheRed
02-12-07, 08:15 PM Why not go another level of Hexblade so you can get mettle? It's not like fighter 7 gets you anything.

Derek
LachlarlanIII
02-12-07, 10:00 PM Why not go another level of Hexblade so you can get mettle? It's not like fighter 7 gets you anything.

Derek

Fighter 7 is there for the High Level Campaign.

For anyone that wants to play this build that isn't interested in the HLC, feel free to replace that level.
magebeast
02-12-07, 10:08 PM I know this reduces your damage a bit, but if I were you I'd go for EWP Spiked Chain. Why? Because at level 3 you've got a nice bunch of squares around you that are now permanently rough terrain for enemies, because with combat reflexes you're always threatening.

I realize, however, that you are probably intending to use a Bastard Sword in one hand for tanking purposes.
RedKnightofKet
02-12-07, 10:10 PM Don't you get a rebuild for the HLC anyway? Might as well make something most effective for LG, then change it at 16th.
LachlarlanIII
02-12-07, 10:31 PM I know this reduces your damage a bit, but if I were you I'd go for EWP Spiked Chain. Why? Because at level 3 you've got a nice bunch of squares around you that are now permanently rough terrain for enemies, because with combat reflexes you're always threatening.

I realize, however, that you are probably intending to use a Bastard Sword in one hand for tanking purposes.

Actually, the Scourge would be a better option. One handed with the reach of a Whip and, as far as I can tell, does damage as normal as it doesn't have the subdual only tag.

May not be the most "knightly" of weapons, but it does have 5' more reach than the Spiked Chain.

Don't you get a rebuild for the HLC anyway? Might as well make something most effective for LG, then change it at 16th.

If that's the case, I wasn't aware of it.
magebeast
02-13-07, 01:00 AM Actually, the Scourge would be a better option. One handed with the reach of a Whip and, as far as I can tell, does damage as normal as it doesn't have the subdual only tag.

The description of the weapon doesn't state that it has reach, so I'd be suspicious of that. Plus, if it works "as a whip" you don't threaten anyway, so it'd be useless for those purposes.
LachlarlanIII
02-13-07, 10:40 AM The description of the weapon doesn't state that it has reach, so I'd be suspicious of that. Plus, if it works "as a whip" you don't threaten anyway, so it'd be useless for those purposes.

Based on the description it should have reach because it's a "multi-tailed barbed whip."

Whips have reach.

But you may be right. Something that could probably use clarification.
jstorrie
02-13-07, 10:49 AM Scourge doesn't deal damage to creatures with an armor bonus above a certain amount - so it's better than a whip, but not by a lot.

Whips sort of don't have reach. Technically speaking they work like a ranged weapon, not a reach weapon.
zoinks69
02-14-07, 01:48 AM I also like the Spiked Chain Knight (well "like" is the wrong word. I have nightmares of seeing them at interactives). Tote around a Strength domain cleric or wizard with the Enlarge Person spell and you quite literally own the battlefield. Toss in a Large spiked chain and Monkey Grip (if you can get away with it) and those small battlemats start getting limiting. Only thing better is Mage Slayer on top of it all :D
Sithobi1
02-14-07, 10:07 AM Weapons with Reach larger than your size don't grant you extra reach per the FAQ(it may or may not be RAW, but LG uses the FAQ as if it overrides RAW).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
LachlarlanIII 02-06-07, 02:09 PM	Lawful Neutral Human Str 15, Dex 14, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 8, Cha 14 1: Knight 1 - Combat Reflexes, Power Attack 2: Knight 2 - Mounted Combat 3: Knight 3 - Hold the Line 4: Knight 4 - Str 16 5: Knight 5 - Quick Draw 6: Knight 6 - Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Bastard Sword) 7: Hexblade 1 8: Hexblade 2 - Str 17 9: Fighter 1 - Improved Critical (BS), Weapon Focus (BS) 10: Fighter 2 - Close-Quarters Fighting 11: Fighter 3 12: Fighter 4 - Blind-Fight, Weapon Specialization (BS), Str 18 13: Fighter 5 14: Fighter 6 - Ride-By Attack 15: Fighter 7 - Improved Toughness 16-20: Fighter 8-12 Alternate build for those of you from mostly Good regions: Change alignment to LG and replace Hexblade levels with Paladin levels. Straightforward tank/basher that can use Knight's Challenge to keep an enemy's focus, cork doorways, and deal moderate damage back. Decent saves against magical attacks.
Cynric 02-06-07, 11:13 PM	Looks fine to me. Assuming that the LGCS when it arrives in the next day or so, allows the Knight class.
DerekSTheRed 02-12-07, 08:15 PM	Why not go another level of Hexblade so you can get mettle? It's not like fighter 7 gets you anything. Derek
LachlarlanIII 02-12-07, 10:00 PM	Why not go another level of Hexblade so you can get mettle? It's not like fighter 7 gets you anything. Derek Fighter 7 is there for the High Level Campaign. For anyone that wants to play this build that isn't interested in the HLC, feel free to replace that level.
magebeast 02-12-07, 10:08 PM	I know this reduces your damage a bit, but if I were you I'd go for EWP Spiked Chain. Why? Because at level 3 you've got a nice bunch of squares around you that are now permanently rough terrain for enemies, because with combat reflexes you're always threatening. I realize, however, that you are probably intending to use a Bastard Sword in one hand for tanking purposes.
RedKnightofKet 02-12-07, 10:10 PM	Don't you get a rebuild for the HLC anyway? Might as well make something most effective for LG, then change it at 16th.
LachlarlanIII 02-12-07, 10:31 PM	I know this reduces your damage a bit, but if I were you I'd go for EWP Spiked Chain. Why? Because at level 3 you've got a nice bunch of squares around you that are now permanently rough terrain for enemies, because with combat reflexes you're always threatening. I realize, however, that you are probably intending to use a Bastard Sword in one hand for tanking purposes. Actually, the Scourge would be a better option. One handed with the reach of a Whip and, as far as I can tell, does damage as normal as it doesn't have the subdual only tag. May not be the most "knightly" of weapons, but it does have 5' more reach than the Spiked Chain. Don't you get a rebuild for the HLC anyway? Might as well make something most effective for LG, then change it at 16th. If that's the case, I wasn't aware of it.
magebeast 02-13-07, 01:00 AM	Actually, the Scourge would be a better option. One handed with the reach of a Whip and, as far as I can tell, does damage as normal as it doesn't have the subdual only tag. The description of the weapon doesn't state that it has reach, so I'd be suspicious of that. Plus, if it works "as a whip" you don't threaten anyway, so it'd be useless for those purposes.
LachlarlanIII 02-13-07, 10:40 AM	The description of the weapon doesn't state that it has reach, so I'd be suspicious of that. Plus, if it works "as a whip" you don't threaten anyway, so it'd be useless for those purposes. Based on the description it should have reach because it's a "multi-tailed barbed whip." Whips have reach. But you may be right. Something that could probably use clarification.
jstorrie 02-13-07, 10:49 AM	Scourge doesn't deal damage to creatures with an armor bonus above a certain amount - so it's better than a whip, but not by a lot. Whips sort of don't have reach. Technically speaking they work like a ranged weapon, not a reach weapon.
zoinks69 02-14-07, 01:48 AM	I also like the Spiked Chain Knight (well "like" is the wrong word. I have nightmares of seeing them at interactives). Tote around a Strength domain cleric or wizard with the Enlarge Person spell and you quite literally own the battlefield. Toss in a Large spiked chain and Monkey Grip (if you can get away with it) and those small battlemats start getting limiting. Only thing better is Mage Slayer on top of it all :D
Sithobi1 02-14-07, 10:07 AM	Weapons with Reach larger than your size don't grant you extra reach per the FAQ(it may or may not be RAW, but LG uses the FAQ as if it overrides RAW).