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jimmy_dowdall
04-17-07, 08:52 AM My friends and i are putting together a six man pholtie party for ruins, i'm going to playing the fighter, (my turn) i would like to go pious templar but am being put off by the favourite weapon being a staff, has anyone any interesting builtideas for this. idealy i would like a high ac and good damage output
Mommy was an Orc
04-17-07, 08:57 AM My friends and i are putting together a six man pholtie party for ruins, i'm going to playing the fighter, (my turn) i would like to go pious templar but am being put off by the favourite weapon being a staff, has anyone any interesting builtideas for this. idealy i would like a high ac and good damage output

Longstaff from Complete Adventurer is a double exotic weapon that treats WF/WS: Quarterstaff as being WF/WS in it. As it is a double exotic weapon, you can flurry with it if you take Exotic Weapon Master.

If you fight defensively, it makes you immune to flanking, so you might want to pick up Melee Evasion and 5 ranks of Tumbling. Which squares pretty well with Monk 2.
jstorrie
04-17-07, 03:31 PM This sort of thing is significantly easier if you cut out the Pious Templar levels–they eat up two feats (True Believer and a Weapon Focus which doesn't qualify you for Exotic Weapon Master) and this fighting style consumes a lot of feats. Consider:

Human
Str 14 Dex 14 Con 14 Int 14 Wis 12 Cha 8
1 Monk: Stunning Fist, Improved Unarmed Strike, Dodge, Deadly Defense
2 Monk: Combat Reflexes
3 Fighter: Melee Evasion, Combat Expertise
4 Fighter: Two-Weapon Fighting
5 Fighter
6 Fighter: Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Longstaff, Weapon Focus: Longstaff
7 Exotic Weapon Master: Flurry of Strikes
8 Fighter
9 Fighter: Weapon Specialization: Longstaff, Melee Weapon Mastery: Bludgeoning
10 Exotic Weapon Master: Double Weapon Defense
11 Fighter
12 Fighter: Leap of the Heavens
13 Exotic Weapon Master: Stunning Blow
13 Fighter
14 Fighter: Hold the Line
15 Knight: Crushing Strike

This does mean delaying your magic weapon purchase until character level 6, but as a monk and a quarterstaff wielder you can get away with it–you're going to be packing Oil of Shillelagh anyway, and you can always fall back on ki strike.
Eric Anondson
04-17-07, 04:17 PM Human
Str 14 Dex 14 Con 14 Int 14 Wis 12 Cha 8
1 Monk: Stunning Fist, Improved Unarmed Strike, Two-Weapon Fighting, Deadly DefenseTwo-Weapon Fighting will need a 15 Dex.
jstorrie
04-17-07, 04:24 PM Yeah, you'd have to take it at 4 if you didn't want to spend an unreasonable amount of build points on it. Picking it up with Ranger 2 is a viable alternative.
allyourlocks
04-17-07, 04:30 PM The longstaff counts as a Monk special weapon in terms of Flurry of Blows - wouldn't this negate the need for EWM Flurry?
Mommy was an Orc
04-17-07, 04:41 PM The longstaff counts as a Monk special weapon in terms of Flurry of Blows - wouldn't this negate the need for EWM Flurry?

EWM Flurry can be done while holding the weapon in two hands - so you get x2 Power Attack and Str 1.5 instead 1 and 1...
Lupo
04-17-07, 04:42 PM My friends and i are putting together a six man pholtie party for ruins, i'm going to playing the fighter, (my turn) i would like to go pious templar but am being put off by the favourite weapon being a staff, has anyone any interesting builtideas for this. idealy i would like a high ac and good damage output

quarterstaves are not so bad, especially at low levels, if treated with oil of shillelagh, try to get two levels of ranger for TWF, then go for pious templar to get bless weapon.

or take four levels of cleric of pholtus, with the glory domain - grants bless weapon as a domain spell.

quarterstaves can be used one or two handed, and work fine with power attack.
<edit> uhps, my fault, should be: can be used as a normal weapon or as a double weapon, but it is always a two-handed weapon</edit>

with enough fighter levels for feats longstaff might be an option.

the pious templar prerequisite does not LIMIT you to your deity's weapon ;) [unless the god has a more strict codex anyway].
<edit> you are free to use other weapons, but the weapon specialization from pious templar is for the deity's weapon only</edit>

ciao

martin m.
jstorrie
04-17-07, 05:07 PM Ah, yes, you are limited to your deity's favoured weapon. See CD page 50.

You can EWM, Flurry, and TWF with a quarterstaff for three extra attacks, or you can EWM with it two-handed for an extra attack and optimal Power Attack. You can build around one, the other, or both.
Alpha_Nerd
04-17-07, 05:09 PM Would using a Longstaff 2-handed qualify for Uncanny Blow? I mean, techinically you're using a 1-handed side 2-handed?
Mithreinmaethor
04-17-07, 05:25 PM Check this thread also. Been looking at a Quarterstaff character also

http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=830361
TWG_Prometheus
04-17-07, 07:09 PM I don't see the need for a quarterstaff, really. Skip Pious Templar and move on. If you want a devout Fighter, I'd start with a 14 Wis base and toss in Iron Will, then do whatever you want. Alternately, take Knight or Paladin levels, which should provide better roleplaying support.
jstorrie
04-17-07, 08:39 PM Would using a Longstaff 2-handed qualify for Uncanny Blow? I mean, techinically you're using a 1-handed side 2-handed?

Nope. One-handed is a specific type, which a double weapon (generally speaking, and specifically a longstaff) ain't.
dkay807
04-18-07, 12:06 AM EWM Flurry can be done while holding the weapon in two hands - so you get x2 Power Attack and Str 1.5 instead 1 and 1...

See PHB description of Flurry of Blows with a Quarterstaff... when you Flurry with a Quarterstaff, you are obligated to use both ends... thus, you cannot 2HF with a quarterstaff if you are using Flurry of Blows. I think Flurry of Strikes would still work with it.
jimmy_dowdall
04-19-07, 02:05 PM thanks guys i think i'll just skip pious templar,and maybe just vanilla fighter it
Mommy was an Orc
04-19-07, 02:53 PM See PHB description of Flurry of Blows with a Quarterstaff... when you Flurry with a Quarterstaff, you are obligated to use both ends... thus, you cannot 2HF with a quarterstaff if you are using Flurry of Blows. I think Flurry of Strikes would still work with it.

Isn't that what I said? EWM flurry can be used 2HF?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
jimmy_dowdall 04-17-07, 08:52 AM	My friends and i are putting together a six man pholtie party for ruins, i'm going to playing the fighter, (my turn) i would like to go pious templar but am being put off by the favourite weapon being a staff, has anyone any interesting builtideas for this. idealy i would like a high ac and good damage output
Mommy was an Orc 04-17-07, 08:57 AM	My friends and i are putting together a six man pholtie party for ruins, i'm going to playing the fighter, (my turn) i would like to go pious templar but am being put off by the favourite weapon being a staff, has anyone any interesting builtideas for this. idealy i would like a high ac and good damage output Longstaff from Complete Adventurer is a double exotic weapon that treats WF/WS: Quarterstaff as being WF/WS in it. As it is a double exotic weapon, you can flurry with it if you take Exotic Weapon Master. If you fight defensively, it makes you immune to flanking, so you might want to pick up Melee Evasion and 5 ranks of Tumbling. Which squares pretty well with Monk 2.
jstorrie 04-17-07, 03:31 PM	This sort of thing is significantly easier if you cut out the Pious Templar levels–they eat up two feats (True Believer and a Weapon Focus which doesn't qualify you for Exotic Weapon Master) and this fighting style consumes a lot of feats. Consider: Human Str 14 Dex 14 Con 14 Int 14 Wis 12 Cha 8 1 Monk: Stunning Fist, Improved Unarmed Strike, Dodge, Deadly Defense 2 Monk: Combat Reflexes 3 Fighter: Melee Evasion, Combat Expertise 4 Fighter: Two-Weapon Fighting 5 Fighter 6 Fighter: Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Longstaff, Weapon Focus: Longstaff 7 Exotic Weapon Master: Flurry of Strikes 8 Fighter 9 Fighter: Weapon Specialization: Longstaff, Melee Weapon Mastery: Bludgeoning 10 Exotic Weapon Master: Double Weapon Defense 11 Fighter 12 Fighter: Leap of the Heavens 13 Exotic Weapon Master: Stunning Blow 13 Fighter 14 Fighter: Hold the Line 15 Knight: Crushing Strike This does mean delaying your magic weapon purchase until character level 6, but as a monk and a quarterstaff wielder you can get away with it–you're going to be packing Oil of Shillelagh anyway, and you can always fall back on ki strike.
Eric Anondson 04-17-07, 04:17 PM	Human Str 14 Dex 14 Con 14 Int 14 Wis 12 Cha 8 1 Monk: Stunning Fist, Improved Unarmed Strike, Two-Weapon Fighting, Deadly DefenseTwo-Weapon Fighting will need a 15 Dex.
jstorrie 04-17-07, 04:24 PM	Yeah, you'd have to take it at 4 if you didn't want to spend an unreasonable amount of build points on it. Picking it up with Ranger 2 is a viable alternative.
allyourlocks 04-17-07, 04:30 PM	The longstaff counts as a Monk special weapon in terms of Flurry of Blows - wouldn't this negate the need for EWM Flurry?
Mommy was an Orc 04-17-07, 04:41 PM	The longstaff counts as a Monk special weapon in terms of Flurry of Blows - wouldn't this negate the need for EWM Flurry? EWM Flurry can be done while holding the weapon in two hands - so you get x2 Power Attack and Str 1.5 instead 1 and 1...
Lupo 04-17-07, 04:42 PM	My friends and i are putting together a six man pholtie party for ruins, i'm going to playing the fighter, (my turn) i would like to go pious templar but am being put off by the favourite weapon being a staff, has anyone any interesting builtideas for this. idealy i would like a high ac and good damage output quarterstaves are not so bad, especially at low levels, if treated with oil of shillelagh, try to get two levels of ranger for TWF, then go for pious templar to get bless weapon. or take four levels of cleric of pholtus, with the glory domain - grants bless weapon as a domain spell. quarterstaves can be used one or two handed, and work fine with power attack. <edit> uhps, my fault, should be: can be used as a normal weapon or as a double weapon, but it is always a two-handed weapon</edit> with enough fighter levels for feats longstaff might be an option. the pious templar prerequisite does not LIMIT you to your deity's weapon ;) [unless the god has a more strict codex anyway]. <edit> you are free to use other weapons, but the weapon specialization from pious templar is for the deity's weapon only</edit> ciao martin m.
jstorrie 04-17-07, 05:07 PM	Ah, yes, you are limited to your deity's favoured weapon. See CD page 50. You can EWM, Flurry, and TWF with a quarterstaff for three extra attacks, or you can EWM with it two-handed for an extra attack and optimal Power Attack. You can build around one, the other, or both.
Alpha_Nerd 04-17-07, 05:09 PM	Would using a Longstaff 2-handed qualify for Uncanny Blow? I mean, techinically you're using a 1-handed side 2-handed?
Mithreinmaethor 04-17-07, 05:25 PM	Check this thread also. Been looking at a Quarterstaff character also http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=830361
TWG_Prometheus 04-17-07, 07:09 PM	I don't see the need for a quarterstaff, really. Skip Pious Templar and move on. If you want a devout Fighter, I'd start with a 14 Wis base and toss in Iron Will, then do whatever you want. Alternately, take Knight or Paladin levels, which should provide better roleplaying support.
jstorrie 04-17-07, 08:39 PM	Would using a Longstaff 2-handed qualify for Uncanny Blow? I mean, techinically you're using a 1-handed side 2-handed? Nope. One-handed is a specific type, which a double weapon (generally speaking, and specifically a longstaff) ain't.
dkay807 04-18-07, 12:06 AM	EWM Flurry can be done while holding the weapon in two hands - so you get x2 Power Attack and Str 1.5 instead 1 and 1... See PHB description of Flurry of Blows with a Quarterstaff... when you Flurry with a Quarterstaff, you are obligated to use both ends... thus, you cannot 2HF with a quarterstaff if you are using Flurry of Blows. I think Flurry of Strikes would still work with it.
jimmy_dowdall 04-19-07, 02:05 PM	thanks guys i think i'll just skip pious templar,and maybe just vanilla fighter it
Mommy was an Orc 04-19-07, 02:53 PM	See PHB description of Flurry of Blows with a Quarterstaff... when you Flurry with a Quarterstaff, you are obligated to use both ends... thus, you cannot 2HF with a quarterstaff if you are using Flurry of Blows. I think Flurry of Strikes would still work with it. Isn't that what I said? EWM flurry can be used 2HF?