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Genghis Cohen 01-15-07, 07:27 PM	I'm building a Holy Liberator (he's 8th level and will take his first Holy Liberator level at 11th.) When he hits 13th level, few things will make him need to roll a will save. Glitterdust is one. What else would require him to roll a will save, and how can he protect himself against the need to roll these saves?
clannagh 01-15-07, 07:45 PM	I'm building a Holy Liberator (he's 8th level and will take his first Holy Liberator level at 11th.) When he hits 13th level, few things will make him need to roll a will save. Glitterdust is one. What else would require him to roll a will save, and how can he protect himself against the need to roll these saves? ummh .. low level spells include command and color spray (which still stuns you regardless of hit die) mid levels include Fear some biggies off the top of my head include chaos hammer prismatic wall/spray indigo and violet
Genghis Cohen 01-15-07, 07:57 PM	ummh .. low level spells include command and color spray (which still stuns you regardless of hit die) mid levels include Fear some biggies off the top of my head include chaos hammer prismatic wall/spray indigo and violet3rd level Holy Liberators are immune to Chaos Hammer (HLs have to be CG), Color Spray, Command, Fear and the Indigo of Prismatic Wall/Spray. Any sugegstions about how a tank can return from another plane?
bhale187 01-15-07, 08:13 PM	Level 4 and under Hold Person, tasha hideous laugh, suggestion, hallucinate terrain, illusion wall, phantasm killer, rainbow pattern, shaow conjuration
bhale187 01-15-07, 08:18 PM	Level 5 and Up Harm, blaspemy, just about every illusion school spell
Genghis Cohen 01-15-07, 09:19 PM	Level 4 and under Hold Person, tasha hideous laugh, suggestion, hallucinate terrain, illusion wall, phantasm killer, rainbow pattern, shaow conjuration3rd level HLs are imune to Hold Person, Tasha's Hideous Laughter, Suggestion, Phantasmal Killer, and Rainbow Pattern. Illusionary Wall and Shadow Conjuration are easy enough to deal with.
Genghis Cohen 01-15-07, 09:26 PM	Level 5 and Up Harm, blaspemy, just about every illusion school spellNow we've got some nastiness. Harm can wipe out all but one precious hit point fast. Death Ward should protect against this, but you can't count on it being in effect. If my dwarf ever get access to the Soulfire (BoED) armor upgrade, he'll be one happy camper. Hopefully the Circle will ban Blasphemy (and Holy Word.)
clannagh 01-15-07, 09:34 PM	whats his charisma like ?? force of personality ???
Genghis Cohen 01-15-07, 09:46 PM	whats his charisma like ?? force of personality ???Thanks to Shedding Scales (and speaking of failed will saves,) he has a whopping 5 for charisma. Not 6. 5.
UMiskatonic 01-15-07, 09:49 PM	You can shove up your saves in general, or push up your wisdom. Either would do. Being a dwarf would help vs. magic, being a halfling would help saves overall. The right magic items can easily do this, so can levels in marshal. Remove fear can be cast ahead of time, Resurgence can be cast after the fact (but not by you). There's a paladin spell in SpC that blocks fear, but off the top of my head, I'm not sure if it's limited. Luck domain allows a re-roll, as does an amulet of fortune prevailing (need access). PrC's for melee types generally don't allow for good will saves, but Occult Slayer does. So does Dervish, for some reason. Occult Slayer also gives you that spell-turning mojo, which helps vs. certain types of will saves. Pious Templar is also quite good, and gives mettle, plus a strong will save. And, remember that invisibility can be a pretty good defense. It's hard to target you if you're invisible.