Racial Substitution Levels? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Racial Substitution Levels? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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dkay807
06-27-07, 11:11 PM Does anyone know of a region that provides access to them?

I'm specifically interested in Dwarf Cleric from RS.
Grantor
06-28-07, 01:26 PM Does anyone know of a region that provides access to them?

I'm specifically interested in Dwarf Cleric from RS.

The Duchy of Urnst just did their mid-year update on Meta-Orgs, and as part of that several backgrounds had substitution levels added to them. However, you can only get backgrounds before level 2, so that may not be of any help. I don't recall any of the Meta-Orgs actually granting those, just the backgrounds.

Possibly other regions have added alternate class abilities and substitution levels, keep checking!
Jay_Ibero_911
06-28-07, 03:02 PM The Duchy of Urnst just did their mid-year update on Meta-Orgs, and as part of that several backgrounds had substitution levels added to them. However, you can only get backgrounds before level 2, so that may not be of any help. I don't recall any of the Meta-Orgs actually granting those, just the backgrounds.

Possibly other regions have added alternate class abilities and substitution levels, keep checking!

What are these backgrounds you speak of?
Grantor
06-28-07, 03:45 PM Backgrounds are limited Meta-Orgs in our region. They have minimal requirements, but can only be taken while you are level one.

Examples:

Racial:
Illegitimate Child of a Noble House
Legitimate Child of a Noble House
Abbor -Alz Hillfolk
Rhennee Barge folk - Boskvetvi Barge
The Dwarven Clans
Elven Clans of the Western Celadon
Halfling of the Vale

Training:
Page in the Ducal Diplomatic Corps
Raised by the Rogues
Trained at Chat’An Monastery
Cabin Boy in the Ducal Navy
Served in a Village Militia
Trained at a Private Shrine of the Nobility
Trained at an Isolated Shrine

Here are some of the benefits for Dwarves:
· Free standard upkeep on any adventure that starts or
ends in Dumadan.
· May take substitution levels as a dwarf cleric (RS), dwarf fighter, and/or dwarf sorcerer (RS) at a cost of 1 TU each time a level is substituted (spent traveling back to Dumadan for training).
· Paladins may begin play with the underdark knight (CC) alternative class feature. ("Begin play" means that this must be your first character level).
Mithreinmaethor
06-28-07, 03:48 PM Try this

http://www.bandit-kingdoms.net/meta/ARs/DwarvesofMorakduum.pdf
Jay_Ibero_911
06-28-07, 04:34 PM Cool. I hope we get some of that here in Keoland...
KShaver
06-28-07, 04:43 PM What are these backgrounds you speak of?

We have just a couple similar items in Veluna, not nearly as extensive, but the races are fairly well covered.

May take substitution levels as a dwarf cleric (RS), dwarf fighter, and/or dwarf sorcerer (RS) at a cost of 1 TU each time a level is substituted (spent traveling back to Dumadan for training).

Of course this makes your level 1 racial sub cost you a total of 5 TUs and 200gp as you have to start without it then retrain at 2nd.
dkay807
06-28-07, 08:09 PM Wow, cool! I'm so glad I posted this thread now. I have options in other regions... who would have thought?
Maesto
06-29-07, 12:01 AM I thought Britt fairly clearly said that Metaorgs can't let you do something to your build at first level? http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=868101
dkay807
06-29-07, 08:46 AM I thought Britt fairly clearly said that Metaorgs can't let you do something to your build at first level? http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=868101

Well, good thing character backgrounds aren't Metaorgs, eh?
KShaver
06-29-07, 11:10 AM Well, good thing character backgrounds aren't Metaorgs, eh?

I doubt backgrounds can either, though it is something that should have been added to the CS when they opened up Racial subs.
Britt
06-29-07, 01:15 PM Racial backgrounds ARE metaorgs. They just have a different name and more rules attached by their Triad. There is no such thing, officially, as a "racial background". With the current rules, a metaorg cannot let you take something at first level.
solbergb
06-29-07, 01:24 PM If memory serves, those background metaorgs have to be signed on your first AR, but Britt may be right, they may only grant substitution stuff that can be done in later levels or of course, you could retrain it (can you retrain them? I know you can retrain alternate class features. Not sure about sub levels)
Franco Un-American
06-29-07, 03:46 PM Well, I've seen backgrounds that say you can 'start play' with a given rules item (usually a racial substitution level or alternate class feature). Should this be changed?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
dkay807 06-27-07, 11:11 PM	Does anyone know of a region that provides access to them? I'm specifically interested in Dwarf Cleric from RS.
Grantor 06-28-07, 01:26 PM	Does anyone know of a region that provides access to them? I'm specifically interested in Dwarf Cleric from RS. The Duchy of Urnst just did their mid-year update on Meta-Orgs, and as part of that several backgrounds had substitution levels added to them. However, you can only get backgrounds before level 2, so that may not be of any help. I don't recall any of the Meta-Orgs actually granting those, just the backgrounds. Possibly other regions have added alternate class abilities and substitution levels, keep checking!
Jay_Ibero_911 06-28-07, 03:02 PM	The Duchy of Urnst just did their mid-year update on Meta-Orgs, and as part of that several backgrounds had substitution levels added to them. However, you can only get backgrounds before level 2, so that may not be of any help. I don't recall any of the Meta-Orgs actually granting those, just the backgrounds. Possibly other regions have added alternate class abilities and substitution levels, keep checking! What are these backgrounds you speak of?
Grantor 06-28-07, 03:45 PM	Backgrounds are limited Meta-Orgs in our region. They have minimal requirements, but can only be taken while you are level one. Examples: Racial: Illegitimate Child of a Noble House Legitimate Child of a Noble House Abbor -Alz Hillfolk Rhennee Barge folk - Boskvetvi Barge The Dwarven Clans Elven Clans of the Western Celadon Halfling of the Vale Training: Page in the Ducal Diplomatic Corps Raised by the Rogues Trained at Chat’An Monastery Cabin Boy in the Ducal Navy Served in a Village Militia Trained at a Private Shrine of the Nobility Trained at an Isolated Shrine Here are some of the benefits for Dwarves: · Free standard upkeep on any adventure that starts or ends in Dumadan. · May take substitution levels as a dwarf cleric (RS), dwarf fighter, and/or dwarf sorcerer (RS) at a cost of 1 TU each time a level is substituted (spent traveling back to Dumadan for training). · Paladins may begin play with the underdark knight (CC) alternative class feature. ("Begin play" means that this must be your first character level).
Mithreinmaethor 06-28-07, 03:48 PM	Try this http://www.bandit-kingdoms.net/meta/ARs/DwarvesofMorakduum.pdf
Jay_Ibero_911 06-28-07, 04:34 PM	Cool. I hope we get some of that here in Keoland...
KShaver 06-28-07, 04:43 PM	What are these backgrounds you speak of? We have just a couple similar items in Veluna, not nearly as extensive, but the races are fairly well covered. May take substitution levels as a dwarf cleric (RS), dwarf fighter, and/or dwarf sorcerer (RS) at a cost of 1 TU each time a level is substituted (spent traveling back to Dumadan for training). Of course this makes your level 1 racial sub cost you a total of 5 TUs and 200gp as you have to start without it then retrain at 2nd.
dkay807 06-28-07, 08:09 PM	Wow, cool! I'm so glad I posted this thread now. I have options in other regions... who would have thought?
Maesto 06-29-07, 12:01 AM	I thought Britt fairly clearly said that Metaorgs can't let you do something to your build at first level? http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=868101
dkay807 06-29-07, 08:46 AM	I thought Britt fairly clearly said that Metaorgs can't let you do something to your build at first level? http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=868101 Well, good thing character backgrounds aren't Metaorgs, eh?
KShaver 06-29-07, 11:10 AM	Well, good thing character backgrounds aren't Metaorgs, eh? I doubt backgrounds can either, though it is something that should have been added to the CS when they opened up Racial subs.
Britt 06-29-07, 01:15 PM	Racial backgrounds ARE metaorgs. They just have a different name and more rules attached by their Triad. There is no such thing, officially, as a "racial background". With the current rules, a metaorg cannot let you take something at first level.
solbergb 06-29-07, 01:24 PM	If memory serves, those background metaorgs have to be signed on your first AR, but Britt may be right, they may only grant substitution stuff that can be done in later levels or of course, you could retrain it (can you retrain them? I know you can retrain alternate class features. Not sure about sub levels)
Franco Un-American 06-29-07, 03:46 PM	Well, I've seen backgrounds that say you can 'start play' with a given rules item (usually a racial substitution level or alternate class feature). Should this be changed?