Skill Tricks [Archive] - Wizards Community

Skill Tricks [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
control freak
06-17-07, 10:16 PM Simple question are skill tricks open now because i want to take unccanny trickster with my rogue (i know i need acess but i would really really like to get into the class)
King Kashue
06-17-07, 10:26 PM Such information can be found in the LGCS...

And I'll be the 20th person to say this: MAKE YOUR SIGNATURE SMALLER...
control freak
06-17-07, 10:36 PM I have the sorce book but it doesnt say anything about them and says that spesific rules options are open but doesnt mention skill tricks(although does mention compleat scoundrel
UMiskatonic
06-18-07, 12:23 AM I think you need access to them. So, keep playing and keep your eyes open. Remember, it has to come out in a book, and THEN someone needs to start writing a mod, send it in, and only then can you play it.

Access from previous books seems to take at least three months, and is more likely found in specials and interactives, since they are usually written less far in advance.
King Kashue
06-18-07, 12:32 AM I have the sorce book but it doesnt say anything about them and says that spesific rules options are open but doesnt mention skill tricks(although does mention compleat scoundrel

Well then, the answer to your question is likely in the second sentence of the opening paragraph of Appendix 4 (the place with the lists to which you're referring). Page 26 of LGCS 7.5.
Markusdark
07-27-07, 01:14 PM Or, to be more direct - no, Skill tricks are not allowed in LG.
Also, if you check the Prestige Class listings in Appendix 4, you'll note that the Uncanny Trickster is not allowed as a prestige class.
Lupo
07-27-07, 02:48 PM Simple question are skill tricks open now because i want to take unccanny trickster with my rogue (i know i need acess but i would really really like to get into the class)

skill tricks are definitely unbalancing the whole 3.x D&D system :( .

skill tricks allow feat like stunts for those who have a lot of skills and ranks in them :rolleyes:

rogues gets lots of skills, fighters gets lots of feats, and the classes are considered more or less balanced towards each other.

with skill tricks, rogues and basically those classes with lots of skill points and good skill choices will outrun the other classes quite fast.

so without a fundamental change how skill points and skills are allocated to different classes, the skill tricks should be banned.

maybe something for the future D&D 4.x :P

ciao

martin m.
myshkingfh
07-27-07, 08:11 PM rogues gets lots of skills, fighters gets lots of feats, and the classes are considered more or less balanced towards each other.

I was unaware that anyone thought this! :P
control freak
07-27-07, 08:15 PM as was i i was under the impression that fighter> rogue in LG after all how many people dont want a BDF thats FTR 14 as opposed to rogue 15 who no one would really like at a table but might cope with it skill tricks wouldnt even CLOSE to make up for it
KarmaInferno
07-28-07, 10:21 AM If the rules don't say you can specifically have something, you can't have it.

-karma
control freak
07-28-07, 11:10 AM no that would mean its NONC
bitznarf
07-28-07, 01:17 PM And, as such you can't have it. Should it ever become Open for your PC, then you can use it. You can never have something be both NONC and Open when talking about one specific PC.
control freak
07-28-07, 01:50 PM And, as such you can't have it. Should it ever become Open for your PC, then you can use it. You can never have something be both NONC and Open when talking about one specific PC.

however if it was closed authors couldnt use it
bitznarf
07-28-07, 02:16 PM Nope, Closed only applies to PCs.
control freak
07-28-07, 02:39 PM really i was under the impression without that little cross symbol let them use spesific closed ones

†= open to authors

Master specialist
Malconvoker
Blighter †
Blood Magus†

Spells
Slime wall †
Chain of smog

and stuff like that ones without † are closed even to authors i believe
bitznarf
07-28-07, 02:41 PM Nope. There was something of a fuss raised when it was noticed that those † mean nothing. Notice the wording on Cosed: "A PC may not take advantage of any rules item listed as Closed, ever." It says nothing about NPCs. Britt has comfirmed that Open/Closed/NONC means nothing to NPCs, we should simply trust to circle to not allow stupid **** in (to paraphrase).
control freak
07-28-07, 02:58 PM we should simply trust to circle to not so stupid **** (to paraphrase).

that why people mad about dominion?:rolleyes: :D
bitznarf
07-28-07, 03:29 PM Nah, dominion was (is) something else entirely.
control freak
07-28-07, 03:54 PM it had something to do with the CR of a single monster and difficult terrain

but in all seriousness there should be concreat rules that even authors have to use (the APL + 3 tops for COR and maby APL +4 CORS) thats why i was curious if they were even allowed to use that broken stuff
bitznarf
07-28-07, 04:13 PM There is the Core Writers Guidelines (which all core writters must adhere to) that everyone can see and download. There are also 'interal documents' that the circle and/or triads use for what authors may and may not do.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
control freak 06-17-07, 10:16 PM	Simple question are skill tricks open now because i want to take unccanny trickster with my rogue (i know i need acess but i would really really like to get into the class)
King Kashue 06-17-07, 10:26 PM	Such information can be found in the LGCS... And I'll be the 20th person to say this: MAKE YOUR SIGNATURE SMALLER...
control freak 06-17-07, 10:36 PM	I have the sorce book but it doesnt say anything about them and says that spesific rules options are open but doesnt mention skill tricks(although does mention compleat scoundrel
UMiskatonic 06-18-07, 12:23 AM	I think you need access to them. So, keep playing and keep your eyes open. Remember, it has to come out in a book, and THEN someone needs to start writing a mod, send it in, and only then can you play it. Access from previous books seems to take at least three months, and is more likely found in specials and interactives, since they are usually written less far in advance.
King Kashue 06-18-07, 12:32 AM	I have the sorce book but it doesnt say anything about them and says that spesific rules options are open but doesnt mention skill tricks(although does mention compleat scoundrel Well then, the answer to your question is likely in the second sentence of the opening paragraph of Appendix 4 (the place with the lists to which you're referring). Page 26 of LGCS 7.5.
Markusdark 07-27-07, 01:14 PM	Or, to be more direct - no, Skill tricks are not allowed in LG. Also, if you check the Prestige Class listings in Appendix 4, you'll note that the Uncanny Trickster is not allowed as a prestige class.
Lupo 07-27-07, 02:48 PM	Simple question are skill tricks open now because i want to take unccanny trickster with my rogue (i know i need acess but i would really really like to get into the class) skill tricks are definitely unbalancing the whole 3.x D&D system :( . skill tricks allow feat like stunts for those who have a lot of skills and ranks in them :rolleyes: rogues gets lots of skills, fighters gets lots of feats, and the classes are considered more or less balanced towards each other. with skill tricks, rogues and basically those classes with lots of skill points and good skill choices will outrun the other classes quite fast. so without a fundamental change how skill points and skills are allocated to different classes, the skill tricks should be banned. maybe something for the future D&D 4.x :P ciao martin m.
myshkingfh 07-27-07, 08:11 PM	rogues gets lots of skills, fighters gets lots of feats, and the classes are considered more or less balanced towards each other. I was unaware that anyone thought this! :P
control freak 07-27-07, 08:15 PM	as was i i was under the impression that fighter> rogue in LG after all how many people dont want a BDF thats FTR 14 as opposed to rogue 15 who no one would really like at a table but might cope with it skill tricks wouldnt even CLOSE to make up for it
KarmaInferno 07-28-07, 10:21 AM	If the rules don't say you can specifically have something, you can't have it. -karma
control freak 07-28-07, 11:10 AM	no that would mean its NONC
bitznarf 07-28-07, 01:17 PM	And, as such you can't have it. Should it ever become Open for your PC, then you can use it. You can never have something be both NONC and Open when talking about one specific PC.
control freak 07-28-07, 01:50 PM	And, as such you can't have it. Should it ever become Open for your PC, then you can use it. You can never have something be both NONC and Open when talking about one specific PC. however if it was closed authors couldnt use it
bitznarf 07-28-07, 02:16 PM	Nope, Closed only applies to PCs.
control freak 07-28-07, 02:39 PM	really i was under the impression without that little cross symbol let them use spesific closed ones †= open to authors Master specialist Malconvoker Blighter † Blood Magus† Spells Slime wall † Chain of smog and stuff like that ones without † are closed even to authors i believe
bitznarf 07-28-07, 02:41 PM	Nope. There was something of a fuss raised when it was noticed that those † mean nothing. Notice the wording on Cosed: "A PC may not take advantage of any rules item listed as Closed, ever." It says nothing about NPCs. Britt has comfirmed that Open/Closed/NONC means nothing to NPCs, we should simply trust to circle to not allow stupid **** in (to paraphrase).
control freak 07-28-07, 02:58 PM	we should simply trust to circle to not so stupid **** (to paraphrase). that why people mad about dominion?:rolleyes: :D
bitznarf 07-28-07, 03:29 PM	Nah, dominion was (is) something else entirely.
control freak 07-28-07, 03:54 PM	it had something to do with the CR of a single monster and difficult terrain but in all seriousness there should be concreat rules that even authors have to use (the APL + 3 tops for COR and maby APL +4 CORS) thats why i was curious if they were even allowed to use that broken stuff
bitznarf 07-28-07, 04:13 PM	There is the Core Writers Guidelines (which all core writters must adhere to) that everyone can see and download. There are also 'interal documents' that the circle and/or triads use for what authors may and may not do.