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kjenks 06-20-07, 04:50 PM	My first gish build. Str 14, Dex 18, Con 14, Int 14, Wis 8, Cha 6 1 Swashbuckler 1 Power Attack, Weapon Finesse 2 Wizard 1 Scribe Scroll 3 Wizard 2 Craft Wondrous Item 4 Wizard 3 (bump Con) 5 Wizard 4 6 Wizard 5 Smiting Spell (PH2), Craft Magic Arms and Armor 7 Eldritch Knight 1 Improved Toughness 8 Eldritch Knight 2 (bump Con) 9 Eldritch Knight 3 Spectral Skirmisher (PH2) 10 Eldritch Knight 4 11 Eldritch Knight 5 12 Eldritch Knight 6 Quicken Spell (bump Str) 13 Eldritch Knight 7 14 Eldritch Knight 8 15 Eldritch Knight 9 Improved Initiative I'm planning on using the Master's Touch spell to be proficient in elven courtblade or spiked chain, using both Weapon Finesse and two-handed Power Attack. At level 9, he'd use Greater Invis for the Spectral Skirmisher feat. But I have this nagging feeling that there are better "gish" prestige classes than Eldritch Knight.
TWG_Prometheus 06-20-07, 05:32 PM	But I have this nagging feeling that there are better "gish" prestige classes than Eldritch Knight. Not really. Eldritch Knight is the classic and as far as open classes go, is the best we've got overall. Most builds work in Spellsword, but yours should work fine without it. A few notes: You seem to have an inordinate focus on Constitution. You're not even suffering the Con loss penalty from being an Elf, you have Craft Wondrous for quicker progression on your Amulet of Health and you've already got Improved Toughness in the build. Unless you're ditching Necromancy, that's overkill. What you'll find is that your Wizard levels are going to cost you dearly on your attack rolls. You aren't talking about making this guy a tank, so bump Strength or Dexterity, not Constitution. Get Wizard 6. This character's Will saves are going to stink. You're starting with a negative modifier and even with Wizard 6, you're only getting +5 Will save out of Wizard before you drop back down to a poor Will save class. That's +4 Will save at level 6 or +6 if you get a +2 Cloak/Vest. Bad Will saves are generally tolerable on a full Fighter or Barbarian because they're a very focused build, but a Gish needs to have more robust defenses in my opinion. You can't get CWI at level 3 with this build. Your caster level is insufficient. On that note, you'll want Practised Spellcaster. Improved Initiative will be better for you early on than Power Attack. The more I look at what you were trying to do, the more I'm thinking that you're shying away at the thought of the lower d6 and d4 HD too much. Especially if you don't close out Necromancy, you have False Life, Ray of Enfeeblement and Vampiric Touch to help you close the gap. You won't have the high HP of a pure fighter build, but you should be able to get by without them. Check to make sure that Spectral Skirmisher is going to serve you better than Arcane Strike. I'm not familiar with Spectral Skirmisher, but I have a hard time believing it's better than Arcane Strike.
bitznarf 06-20-07, 06:20 PM	There is at least one Grey Elf gish running around out there who doesn't worry too much about HP. I believe he is currently a Fig1/Wiz5/Spellsword1/EK1 with around 100 HP with an average roll on false life. So there *are* ways to get the HP as TWG_Prometheus has been saying, if that is holding you back.
Mommy was an Orc 06-20-07, 06:52 PM	I'd probably sub out Fighter 1 for Swashbuckler 1, even if you intend to get Weapon Finesse - it makes Spellsword 1 free. Also, an interesting option is Unseen Seer - it is a bit trickier to get into, but a Rogue 1/Fighter 1/Wizard 4/Unseen Seer 8/Spellsword 1 is also casting 7th level spells, has 1 less BAB, but does +4d6 Sneak Damage, has a lot of skill points, does trapfinding, etc... If that looks unoptimal, yet still better than the traditional Eldritch Knight builds, there's a reason...
kjenks 06-20-07, 11:27 PM	Level 1 is fixed, mostly. I played him in an intro mod. I can restart, if needed, and just blow off the XP and gold from the intro mod. But I like the combo of Power Attack + Weapon Finesse, and Weapon Finesse will help with touch spells later on. And Swashbuckler seems somehow elfier than Fighter. Wizard 6 is a good call. It increases caster level and BAB, Will saves and (for what it's worth) familiar abilities. 1 Swashbuckler 1 Power Attack, Weapon Finesse 2 Wizard 1 Scribe Scroll 3 Wizard 2 Smiting Spell (PH2) 4 Wizard 3 (bump Dex) 5 Wizard 4 6 Wizard 5 Craft Wondrous Item, Craft Magic Arms and Armor 7 Wizard 6 8 Eldritch Knight 1 Improved Toughness (bump Dex) 9 Eldritch Knight 2 Arcane Strike (PH2) 10 Eldritch Knight 3 11 Eldritch Knight 4 12 Eldritch Knight 5 Quicken Spell (bump Str) 13 Eldritch Knight 6 14 Eldritch Knight 7 15 Eldritch Knight 8 (some feat TBD) He's off 3 points of BAB from a straight fighter and he's off 2 CL from a wizard. I'd consider changing that Smiting Spell into Practiced Spellcaster, but I don't think that caster level is especially critical for most of the spells I was contemplating for his spellbook. His spellbook turns out to be mostly Open non-PH spells, with a few PH spells purchased in scroll form or copied from other wizards. Almost all of his level 1 spells are swift, except for Mage Armor and Shield. In fact, a good percentage of his spells are swift at every level.
_metz_ 06-21-07, 12:16 AM	I would restart the Character, for the fightery level to be fighter, (Yay Spellsword level!) But more importantly for the stats. A snow Elf has no negative Str OR Con. So by going not going Dex 18 you can maximise your points efficiency. IN your build, you will end up with: Str 15, Dex 18, Con 16, Int 14, Wis 8, Cha 6 Why Str 15? Why not Wisdom 10 for the saves? Or Int 15 so with a +2 booster you are Int 17 (Can cast lvl 7 spells, or when when denied items can cast 5th level spells) HOWEVER you only get Con 16 at level 8. Seeing as you are going to be a wizard till about level 9 when Eldritch Knight/Arcane Strike Kicks in, then Con 16 by level 4 may be important. You end up with the same stats but get Con faster than dex. I like the Con option personally. Especially with d4 hit die. Try Restarting for: Str: 14 (Power attack is your friend) Dex: 16 Con: 15 (First bump to this, rest to Dex) Int: 15 Wis: 8 Cha:6 OR Str: 14 (Power attack is your friend) Dex: 16 Con: 15 (First bump to this, rest to Dex) Int: 14 Wis: 10 Cha:6 OR Str: 14 (Power attack is your friend) Dex: 17 (Hope for a +1 book access) Con: 15 (First bump to this, rest to Dex) Int: 14 Wis: 8 Cha:6 The fighter level Is REALLY important, as it will Get you that spellsword level. And spellsword is AWESOME. As for level progression, I would lean towards: 1 Fighter1: Weapon Finesse, 2 Wizard1: Scribe Scroll 3 Wizard2: Practiced Spellcaster 4 Wizard3: 5 Wizard4: 6 Wizard5: Smiting Spell, CWI 7 Wizard6: 8 Spellsword1: +2 Fort AND +2 Will AND +1 BAB AND -10% spell failure (Yay Mithral Chain Shirts) 9 Eldritch Knight1: Arcane Strike, Improved Toughness? 10 Eldritch Knight2: 11 Eldritch Knight3: 12 Eldritch Knight4: Quicken Spell 13 Eldritch Knight5: 14 Eldritch Knight6: 15 Eldritch Knight7: TBD I don't think you need craft magic arms and Armour, as CWI saves you enough as it is. But thats a personal choice. BAB is still 3 off, but you are a 15th level caster with 13 levels of actual casting, can wear a Mithral Chain Shirt without penalty, and your saves are: +14,+8,+8 (Going off my first stat choice) Crafting a good Vest of resistance shouldn't be hard. a +3 one is surprisingly cheap. Without Stat boosters you have 121 Hitpoints at level 15 as well. Not too Shabby for a 13th level wizard. And you can use a Mithral Buckler, and a Mithral Chain Shirt, coupled with dex thats decent armour. (Not fantastic) If your hear is set on Craft Magic Arms and Armour, then dump the Improved toughness imo.
bitznarf 06-21-07, 12:20 AM	And Swashbuckler seems somehow elfier than Fighter. From an in-game standpoint there is no 'detect Swashbuckler' ability. You can define him as a swashbuckler anyway, regardless of which class you actually use. If you are looking at Swashbuckler for the skills, well, then Swashbuckler is the class for you. Fighter is better for access to Spellsword though as metz mentioned.
Ira_Dei 06-21-07, 07:06 AM	You didn't mention armour, and I'm assuming you're geared up for that; just remember that scrolls are prone to ASF from armour too.
kjenks 06-21-07, 09:47 AM	After level 1, I'm thinking it's just Mage Armor, all the time. He has studded leather right now, and I don't see much need to ever buy or craft more armor unless he gets access to something with 0% ASF.
TWG_Prometheus 06-21-07, 11:26 AM	After level 1, I'm thinking it's just Mage Armor, all the time. He has studded leather right now, and I don't see much need to ever buy or craft more armor unless he gets access to something with 0% ASF. I'm actually with kjenks on this one. The Fighter level + Spellsword works fine and gets some Will save in there, but...for an Elf Wizard-Gish and especially a Gish that will be pushing their Dexterity over the +6 allowed by a Mithril Chain shirt, using Swashbuckler + Mage Armor spells works just fine. Remember that switching from Swashbuckler to Fighter is not without its own cost. Swashbuckler has 4+ skills and *Tumble* as a class skill. For most Gish I'd recommend the Spellsword level, but for an Elf Gish and especially since the player in question favors the Swashbuckler path, skipping it for earlier Eldritch Knight progression is very reasonable in my mind. I was actually considering a High Elf Ranger/Wizard archer Gish that would be depending on Mage Armor for their defense myself. (If I didn't already have a level 8 Paladin/Sorcerer Spellsword to occupy myself with.) I'll reiterate the Practised Spellcaster again though, kjenks. Even for only two caster levels, I can almost guarantee you'll want it when the time comes. Fortunately, you have five levels to make that decision for yourself. I note that you're also including Improved Toughness as a Fighter bonus feat, but I'll assume that you're aware of the potential for table variation on that.
amnuxoll 06-21-07, 02:07 PM	There is at least one Grey Elf gish running around out there who doesn't worry too much about HP. I believe he is currently a Fig1/Wiz5/Spellsword1/EK1 with around 100 HP with an average roll on false life. So there *are* ways to get the HP as TWG_Prometheus has been saying, if that is holding you back. My 12th level Gish has 102 hit points naked and can easily clear 140. This is no accident. Like Ken, I put a lot of emphasis on defense. And, FWIW, I rarely find that I need that many hp but it makes me play in character better and feel more heroic and so, to me, it's worth it. :AMN:
kjenks 06-21-07, 03:41 PM	I'll reiterate the Practised Spellcaster again though, kjenks. Even for only two caster levels, I can almost guarantee you'll want it when the time comes. Fortunately, you have five levels to make that decision for yourself. I'll check out the spells I'm considering in detail to see if any of them really depend on caster level. Most of the swift spells do not. I note that you're also including Improved Toughness as a Fighter bonus feat, but I'll assume that you're aware of the potential for table variation on that. Actually, I haven't looked into that in detail. What's the controversy?
Kithran 06-21-07, 03:59 PM	I'll check out the spells I'm considering in detail to see if any of them really depend on caster level. Most of the swift spells do not. Actually, I haven't looked into that in detail. What's the controversy? Basically its a consequence of the 'most recent book' rule. Improved Toughness originally appeared in Complete Warrior with a note that its a Fighter Bonus Feat. It then appeared in Libris Mortis without that note. Kithran
TWG_Prometheus 06-21-07, 04:26 PM	I'll check out the spells I'm considering in detail to see if any of them really depend on caster level. Most of the swift spells do not. If the Swift spells or even the spells you'd normally have in your spells memorized were the primary issue, I wouldn't be as firm on my recommendation for Practised Spellcaster. However, as a Wizard, you'll have other considerations. Some days, you'll BE the arcane guy, and the caster level check on your Dispel Magic will be important. Other days, you'll be out dragon hunting, and having a caster level 6 Resist Energy 10 instead of a caster level 8 Resist Energy 20 is going to be un-fun. Since you're depending on Mage Armor/Greater Mage Armor for your defense, you also have to be consider what happens when you're hit with a targeted Dispel Magic. If the caster is your level +2 and you're down 2 caster levels, you can more or less kiss every buff you've got goodbye. If you were making a Sorcerer or a Bard and had a set-in-stone spell list, I'd feel more comfortable with someone just checking their spells known to see if they needed Practised Spellcaster. If all you've got, for instance, is Critical Strike, Blades of Flame, Swift Fly, Swift Expeditious Retreat, and Bladeweave going for you...who cares what your caster level is? A Wizard, I think, can't afford to limit themselves in such a manner. Some days you'll just want something different than what you initially planned out. As I said before, though, you'll have ~5-6 levels to figure out how YOUR Gish works as opposed to anyone else's. That will be the real deciding factor. I know my Paladin/Sorcerer Gish has changed their plan for what spells to choose as spells known several times over my play experience, and I expect they'll continue to do so as my needs evolve.
kjenks 06-22-07, 03:16 AM	Basically its a consequence of the 'most recent book' rule. Improved Toughness originally appeared in Complete Warrior with a note that its a Fighter Bonus Feat. It then appeared in Libris Mortis without that note. Kithran Ah. That's not an issue. The LGCS makes it clear which version we must use. LGCS === Improved Toughness (CW) ===
Dr.Cornelius 06-22-07, 05:06 AM	My 12th level Gish has 102 hit points naked and can easily clear 140. This is no accident.For those of you scoring at home - a traditional Ftr 1/Wiz 6/SS 1/EK 4 build tops out at around 73 HP with natural Con 14 at level 12. Improved Toughness and a +4 Amulet of Health would bring it up to 109. Empowered False Life adds around 22 for a total of around 130. Not sure where the last 10 come from.
Dr.Cornelius 06-22-07, 05:57 AM	Snow Elf Swashbuckler Gish has a lot of flavor, but here are some comments: Gish PrC's don't get any better than a level of Spellsword (optional, Mithril Chain is the only reason) followed by Eldritch Knight. Rage Mage would rock if the BAB and spell progression didn't suck. Maybe the new campaign cards will open up Duskblade... Most Gish should fill the light infantry slot and are no substitute for having a full progression Wizard/Sorcerer along. Being down spell progression, specialist wizard is the best choice. Transmuter is probably the best and Evoker, Conjurer and Necromancer are reasonable. For example, the Gish can do just fine without the Enchantment school. Abjuration is the next best choice to dump - the only real loss is Dispel Magic, and that will be at reduced level without Practiced Spellcaster. Mage Armor is only 1 hour/level and the bookkeeping is a bit of a pain at lower levels. Recommend Chain Shirt and non-Somatic spells until caster level 4 or so. The decsion point on armor comes after Wiz 5: either Wiz 6 -> Spellsword 1 and Mithril Chain Shirt, or straight to EK 1. The Gish is typically feat starved - dropping a feat on Weapon Finesse is questionable. On the plus side, high Dex helps with ray spells and AC. Relying on Master's Touch for your primary melee weapon is a bit risky. Get locked in melee before it goes up, or have it dispelled and the Snow Elf is in a pickle. Many of the non-Somatic spells are also likely to be cast in harms way - Bladeweave, True Strike, Vampiric Touch, etc. Given the number of close-in spells, have you considered Combat Casting? Now most wizards are better off with Spell Focus(Concentration) but I think the Gish is just as well with CC. If you go with Combat Casting, consider Retributive Spell (CM) over Smiting Spell (PH2). Retributive Spell potentially saves an action in combat and is not limited to touch spells. After some thought, I am not sure that the Power Attack / True Strke combo is worth burning a feat. With low BAB, the optimal Power Attack w/o TS is likely to be only 1-2 anyway. On the other hand, the action spent on a single True Strike might be better used on a buff like Enlarge Person, Fist of Stone, Bull's Strength, Blink, Haste or Trollshape. One more thing - have you considered Spring Attack? With a reach weapon there is good synergy with Gish spells. Feat Progression: 1 Fighter 1 Dodge, Mobility, Combat Casting (or EWP) 2 Wizard 1 Scribe Scroll 3 Wizard 2 Practiced Spellcaster or Smiting Spell or Retributive Spell 4 Wizard 3 5 Wizard 4 6 Wizard 5 Improved Toughness, Craft Wondrous Item 7 Eldritch Knight 1 Spring Attack 8 Eldritch Knight 2 9 Eldritch Knight 3 Arcane Strike (PH2) You can also pull off Spring Attack with a Swashbuckler by dropping one of the optional feats.
_metz_ 06-22-07, 09:56 AM	My 12th level Gish has 102 hit points naked and can easily clear 140. This is no accident. Like Ken, I put a lot of emphasis on defense. And, FWIW, I rarely find that I need that many hp but it makes me play in character better and feel more heroic and so, to me, it's worth it. :AMN: The build I posted will have 103 HPs at level 12, without stat boosters or spells. :)
waynec 06-23-07, 08:42 AM	It's wierd Ken But I was contemplating a new character Snow Elf swashie gish that was similar in build to yours. I thought I'd go online and see if there was a thread. Ther it was at the top...:P I'm curious.. What spells did u have in mind? His spellbook turns out to be mostly Open non-PH spells, with a few PH spells purchased in scroll form or copied from other wizards. Almost all of his level 1 spells are swift, except for Mage Armor and Shield. In fact, a good percentage of his spells are swift at every level.[/QUOTE] Cheers
waynec 06-23-07, 08:55 AM	I'll reiterate the Practised Spellcaster again though, kjenks. Even for only two caster levels, I can almost guarantee you'll want it when the time comes. Fortunately, you have five levels to make that decision for yourself. You'll also need Practiced spellcaster for crafting. Otherwise you wo'nt be making stat boost items until lev 10 and not 8.
Mommy was an Orc 06-23-07, 09:39 AM	You'll also need Practiced spellcaster for crafting. Otherwise you wo'nt be making stat boost items until lev 10 and not 8. That's no longer true in LG - if you have CWI and can cast the spell, you can craft.
kjenks 06-23-07, 11:20 AM	I put my plan for his spellbook on a computer that temporarily has no Internet connection, so I'll have to post it on Monday when I can get that PC back on-line.
waynec 06-24-07, 08:36 AM	That's no longer true in LG - if you have CWI and can cast the spell, you can craft. So there is no caster level requirement at all? All the entries in the DMG and MIC have been voided. If I have the spell on my list and can cast it then I can craft that item? :eek:
Mommy was an Orc 06-24-07, 09:42 AM	So there is no caster level requirement at all? All the entries in the DMG and MIC have been voided. If I have the spell on my list and can cast it then I can craft that item? :eek: In general, the CL is just the typical CL of the item found. That's provided the item itself doesn't specify a caster level - such as Cloak of Resistance which is CL 5th(doesn't mean anything), but also says "creator’s caster level must be at least three times the cloak’s bonus" So if you want to craft a Cloak of Resistance +2, you need to be caster level 6.
kjenks 06-24-07, 09:56 AM	Two more potential paths... If I can get access to Ruathar... 1 Swashbuckler 1 Power Attack, Weapon Finesse 2 Wizard 1 Scribe Scroll 3 Ruathar 1 Smiting Spell (PH2) 4 Ruathar 2 5 Unseen Seer 1 6 Unseen Seer 2 Practiced Spellcaster 7 Eldritch Knight 1 Improved Initiative 8 Eldritch Knight 2 9 Eldritch Knight 3 Spectral Skirmisher (PH2) 10 Eldritch Knight 4 11 Eldritch Knight 5 12 Eldritch Knight 6 Quicken Spell 13 Eldritch Knight 7 14 Eldritch Knight 8 15 Eldritch Knight 9 Or this one, with two dice of sneak attack: 1 Swashbuckler 1 Power Attack, Weapon Finesse 2 Wizard 1 Scribe Scroll 3 Wizard 2 Smiting Spell (PH2) 4 Wizard 3 5 Rogue 1 6 Unseen Seer 1 Practiced Spellcaster 7 Unseen Seer 2 8 Eldritch Knight 1 Improved Initiative 9 Eldritch Knight 2 (some feat TBD) 10 Eldritch Knight 3 11 Eldritch Knight 4 12 Eldritch Knight 5 Quicken Spell 13 Eldritch Knight 6 14 Eldritch Knight 7 15 Eldritch Knight 8 (some feat TBD)
Mommy was an Orc 06-24-07, 10:29 AM	Two more potential paths... If I can get access to Ruathar... 1 Swashbuckler 1 Power Attack, Weapon Finesse 2 Wizard 1 Scribe Scroll 3 Ruathar 1 Smiting Spell (PH2) 4 Ruathar 2 5 Unseen Seer 1 6 Unseen Seer 2 Practiced Spellcaster Ruathar is amazingly easy to qualify for, but not that easy. You can't get into it until 6th. Ditto for Unseen Seer.
ThaiGQ 06-24-07, 12:57 PM	Ruathar is amazingly easy to qualify for, but not that easy. You can't get into it until 6th. Ditto for Unseen Seer. I'm curious though...I've seen a lot of builds that use Ruathar, but how do you get access? It's not one of the Open PrCs if I'm not mistaken...or is there some source that is giving out free access that I'm not aware of? :P
Mommy was an Orc 06-24-07, 01:56 PM	I'm curious though...I've seen a lot of builds that use Ruathar, but how do you get access? It's not one of the Open PrCs if I'm not mistaken...or is there some source that is giving out free access that I'm not aware of? :P There are a couple of metaorgs in Keoland that basically give it out for free.
Dr.Cornelius 06-24-07, 06:51 PM	Hey Ken, I would love to get your take on the plusses and minuses of Smiting Spell vs Retributive Spell. In my book it is a very close call, with the edge to Retributive Spell. Here's how it breaks down: Smiting Spell Advantages: 1) Does not require a concentration check to cast. 2) Is effective against non-melee oponents - for example, spellcasters or ranged attackers. 3) In some cases you may have enough time to cast Smiting Spell on two weapons, or twice on the same weapon (assuming this works). Smiting Spell Disadvantages: 1) Duration is only 1 minute, so this is effectively a pre-combat or in-combat buff. Significant opportunity cost as a different buff could have been cast in its place. 2) Only affects touch spells: Shocking Grasp - excellent at low levels but tops out at 5d6. Ghoul Touch - many classes of creatures are immune to paralysis, Gish DCs are not maxed out. Vampiric Touch - the key touch spell, but without Metamagic School Focus is not available until level 8-9. 3) Spell fizzles if you miss the melee attack. 4) If the mod does not allow time for casting, the Smiting Spell slots may be wasted. (Question: can you cast a spell memorized as Smiting as a normal touch attack? For example, memorize Shocking Grasp in a 2nd level slot - can it also be cast as a standard Shocking Grasp?) Retributive Spell Advantages: 1) Cast in advance - does not take an action. 2) Can be used with non-touch spells such as Ray of Enfeeblement and Fireburst. Retritibite Spell Disadvantages: <corrected> 1) Character must be hit in melee to activate Retributive Spell. 2) Normally select Retributive Spell well in advance - typically at the beginning of the day. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Smiting Spell (PH2) Alter a spell with a range of touch to transfer its energy from your hand to a weapon that you hold. The next time you strike an opponent with that weapon, the spell discharges. The target takes the normal damage and effects of a successful attack in addition to the spell's effect. Duration: 1 minute. Cost: +1 spell level. Retributive Spell (CM) When you cast a spell modified by this metamagic feat, the spell has no immediate effect. Any time you are dealt damage by a melee attack during the next 24 hours (or until you next prepare or ready your spells), you can choose to cast the spell on that attacker as an immediate action. Once activated, a retributive spell disappears (it can only affect one attacker). You can apply this feat only to a spell that targets a creature. A retributive spell can target only the attacker that triggered it, even if the spell would normally allow you to target multiple creatures. You can have only one retributive spell cast at a time. Cost: +1 level.
bitznarf 06-24-07, 10:49 PM	I thought you didn't need to cast immediate/swift spells defensivly, they don't provoke AoO's.
Dr.Cornelius 06-25-07, 01:17 AM	I thought you didn't need to cast immediate/swift spells defensivly, they don't provoke AoO's.Right you are - the reference is Spell Compendium page 4. Corrected post above.
kjenks 06-25-07, 03:58 PM	I put my plan for his spellbook on a computer that temporarily has no Internet connection, so I'll have to post it on Monday when I can get that PC back on-line. Character level 2: Starting spellbook: Accelerated Movement: Swift. Balance, Climb, Hide, Move Silently or Tumble at normal speed with no penalty on skill check. SpC Blades of Fire: Swift. Your melee weapons deal +1d8 fire damage for 1 round. SpC Critical Strike: Swift. For 1 round you gain +1d6 damage, doubled threat range, and +4 on attack rolls to confirm critical threats on flanked or denied-Dex foes. SpC, Notes Guided Shot: Swift. You ignore most cover and any distance penalties with your ranged attacks for 1 round. SpC Master’s Touch: Swift. You gain proficiency in a weapon or shield touched for 1 min./level. SpC Buy scrolls and add to spellbook: Mage Armor: Gives subject +4 armor bonus, 1 hour/level. FAQ Protection from Evil: +2 to AC and saves, counter mind control, hedge out elementals and outsiders. [Good] Shield: Invisible disc gives +4 to AC, blocks magic missiles. True Strike: +20 on your next attack roll. Character level 3: Wizard Level 2 spellbook: Expeditious Retreat, Swift: Swift. Your speed increases by 30 ft. for 1 round. SpC Familiar Pocket: Creates an extradimensional hiding place for your familiar. SpC Character level 4: Wizard Level 3 spellbook: Sonic Weapon: Weapon touched deals +1d6 sonic damage with each hit. SpC Whirling Blade: Make an attack on a line of foes with your slashing weapon. SpC Buy scrolls and add to spellbook: Bear’s Endurance: Subject gains +4 to Con for 1 min./level. Bull’s Strength: Subject gains +4 to Str for 1 min./level. Cat’s Grace: Subject gains +4 to Dex for 1 min./level. FAQ False Life: Gain 1d10 temporary hp +1/level (max +10). Notes Fox’s Cunning: Subject gains +4 Int for 1 min./level. Mirror Image: Creates decoy duplicates of you (1d4 +1 per three levels, max 8). LGCS Clarification, FAQ Character level 5: Wizard Level 4 spellbook: Bladeweave: Swift. Your melee attack dazes your opponent. SpC Fly, Swift: Swift. You fly for 1 round. SpC Character level 6: Wizard Level 5 spellbook: Mage Armor, Greater: Gives subject +6 armor bonus, 1 hour/level. SpC FAQ Spectral Weapon: Swift. Use quasi-real weapon to make touch attacks. SpC Buy scrolls and add to spellbook: Displacement: Attacks miss subject 50%. Flame Arrow: Arrows deal +1d6 fire damage. Fly: Subject flies at speed of 60 ft. Keen Edge: Doubles normal weapon’s threat range. Secret Page: Changes one page to hide its real content. Vampiric Touch: Touch deals 1d6/two levels damage (max 10d6); caster gains damage as hp. Notes Character level 7: Wizard Level 6 spellbook: Enhance Familiar: Your familiar gains a +2 modifier on saves, combat rolls, and AC for 1 hour/level. SpC Fortify Familiar: Your familiar gains +2 to natural armor, 25% chance to avoid sneak attack and critical hits for 1 hour/level and 2d8 temporary hit points for 1 hour. SpC, Notes Character level 9: Eldritch Knight Level 2 spellbook: Fire Shield: Creatures attacking you take fire damage; you’re protected from heat or cold. Sword of Deception: Blade of energy attacks independently, deals 1d4 damage, penalizes subsequent save. SpC Buy scrolls and add to spellbook: Invisibility, Greater: As invisibility, but subject can attack and stay invisible. FAQ Character level 10: Eldritch Knight Level 3 spellbook: Dimension Door: Teleports you short distance. Stoneskin: Ignore 10 points of damage per attack. Costs 250 gp. Character level 11: Eldritch Knight Level 4 spellbook: Blink, Greater: As blink, but you control the timing. SpC Fly, Mass: One creature/level flies at speed of 60 ft. SpC Character level 12: Eldritch Knight Level 5 spellbook: Fireburst, Greater: Subjects within 15 ft. take 1d10/level fire damage (max 15d10). SpC Seeming: Changes appearance of one person per two levels. Character level 13: Eldritch Knight Level 6 spellbook: Brilliant Blade: Weapon or group of projectiles gain the brilliant energy quality. SpC Fires of Purity: Target bursts into magical flame, becomes a dangerous weapon. SpC Character level 14: Eldritch Knight Level 7 spellbook: Anticipate Teleportation, Greater F: As anticipate teleportation, except for three rounds and types of creatures. SpC Antimagic Field: Negates magic within 10 ft. FAQ Character level 15: Eldritch Knight Level 8 spellbook: Brilliant Aura: Allies' weapons become brilliant energy, ignoring armor. SpC Limited Wish: Alters reality-within spell limits. LGCS Clarification, FAQ
kjenks 06-25-07, 04:00 PM	Hey Ken, I would love to get your take on the plusses and minuses of Smiting Spell vs Retributive Spell. Heck, I may take both of 'em.
Dr.Cornelius 06-26-07, 02:26 PM	Heck, I may take both of 'em.Combine with Metamagic School Focus and its a good deal.