spellwarp sniper a shortcut to Arcane trixter ? [Archive] - Wizards Community

spellwarp sniper a shortcut to Arcane trixter ? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Kelios_Lyonsmane
02-28-07, 04:45 PM I just read ( on the site i dont have the book )the spellwarp sniper and if i'm corect ( Since it gets a sudden strike with rays ) its a "shortcut" to the Arcane trixter Prestige class with only 1 Caster lvl penalty . Am i right or way off ?
Alpha_Nerd
02-28-07, 05:03 PM I would say no because Sudden Strike is not Sneak Attack, unless those are considered equivalent for prestige class requirements. Unseen Seer, however, is.
SirApropos
02-28-07, 05:54 PM Sudden Strike and Sneak Attack are considered to be the same for qualifying for feats, prestige classes and similar options that require a minimum number of sneak attack damage.

Complete Adventurer Pg 8, Complete Scoundrel Pg 25
GenghisBob
02-28-07, 06:09 PM Except,

SWS gets Sudden Ray strike, which is not Sudden strike or Sneak attack...
so it is not explicit that it does count.
Timlagor
03-01-07, 09:03 AM I'd say that it's no good.
It's certainly not something I'd risk actually trying in LG because you are bound to find a judge that says "no" at some point.

take Unseen Seer like the rest of us :P
Hariman
03-03-07, 01:36 AM I've posted a question asking about this in the LG questions/answers thread.

We'll have an answer soon.

I'm betting yes, because Sudden Raystrike is a limited form of Sudden Strike. Which means that you have a limited form of sudden strike. There's nothing gamebreaking about letting a narrow form of sudden strike qualify in place of sudden strike or sneak attack.
Hariman
03-05-07, 11:08 AM I e-mailed customer service and they said that "Sudden Raystrike" and an Invisible Blade's "Dagger Sneak Attack" are "Different abilities which stack with Sneak Attack or Sudden Strike".

So, I'll be dipping into Unseen Seer at some point to get my rogue wizard spellwarp sniper into arcane trickster. Of course, that might mean that US won't work because you gain "damage bonus" to sneak attack, not actual sneak attack.

The Custserv answer stated that DMs could make house rules if the wanted.

What a load.

Hariman

PS: I bet if three other people ask the same question, they'll get three different answers.
Kelios_Lyonsmane
03-05-07, 04:29 PM I e-mailed customer service and they said that "Sudden Raystrike" and an Invisible Blade's "Dagger Sneak Attack" are "Different abilities which stack with Sneak Attack or Sudden Strike".

So, I'll be dipping into Unseen Seer at some point to get my rogue wizard spellwarp sniper into arcane trickster. Of course, that might mean that US won't work because you gain "damage bonus" to sneak attack, not actual sneak attack.

The Custserv answer stated that DMs could make house rules if the wanted.

What a load.

Hariman [QUOTE]

Ty for the info :)

[QUOTE=Hariman;11671136]

PS: I bet if three other people ask the same question, they'll get three different answers. Can you feel the Customer service quality ;)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Kelios_Lyonsmane 02-28-07, 04:45 PM	I just read ( on the site i dont have the book )the spellwarp sniper and if i'm corect ( Since it gets a sudden strike with rays ) its a "shortcut" to the Arcane trixter Prestige class with only 1 Caster lvl penalty . Am i right or way off ?
Alpha_Nerd 02-28-07, 05:03 PM	I would say no because Sudden Strike is not Sneak Attack, unless those are considered equivalent for prestige class requirements. Unseen Seer, however, is.
SirApropos 02-28-07, 05:54 PM	Sudden Strike and Sneak Attack are considered to be the same for qualifying for feats, prestige classes and similar options that require a minimum number of sneak attack damage. Complete Adventurer Pg 8, Complete Scoundrel Pg 25
GenghisBob 02-28-07, 06:09 PM	Except, SWS gets Sudden Ray strike, which is not Sudden strike or Sneak attack... so it is not explicit that it does count.
Timlagor 03-01-07, 09:03 AM	I'd say that it's no good. It's certainly not something I'd risk actually trying in LG because you are bound to find a judge that says "no" at some point. take Unseen Seer like the rest of us :P
Hariman 03-03-07, 01:36 AM	I've posted a question asking about this in the LG questions/answers thread. We'll have an answer soon. I'm betting yes, because Sudden Raystrike is a limited form of Sudden Strike. Which means that you have a limited form of sudden strike. There's nothing gamebreaking about letting a narrow form of sudden strike qualify in place of sudden strike or sneak attack.
Hariman 03-05-07, 11:08 AM	I e-mailed customer service and they said that "Sudden Raystrike" and an Invisible Blade's "Dagger Sneak Attack" are "Different abilities which stack with Sneak Attack or Sudden Strike". So, I'll be dipping into Unseen Seer at some point to get my rogue wizard spellwarp sniper into arcane trickster. Of course, that might mean that US won't work because you gain "damage bonus" to sneak attack, not actual sneak attack. The Custserv answer stated that DMs could make house rules if the wanted. What a load. Hariman PS: I bet if three other people ask the same question, they'll get three different answers.
Kelios_Lyonsmane 03-05-07, 04:29 PM	I e-mailed customer service and they said that "Sudden Raystrike" and an Invisible Blade's "Dagger Sneak Attack" are "Different abilities which stack with Sneak Attack or Sudden Strike". So, I'll be dipping into Unseen Seer at some point to get my rogue wizard spellwarp sniper into arcane trickster. Of course, that might mean that US won't work because you gain "damage bonus" to sneak attack, not actual sneak attack. The Custserv answer stated that DMs could make house rules if the wanted. What a load. Hariman [QUOTE] Ty for the info :) [QUOTE=Hariman;11671136] PS: I bet if three other people ask the same question, they'll get three different answers. Can you feel the Customer service quality ;)