The Top 3 Open feats [Archive] - Wizards Community

The Top 3 Open feats [Archive] - Wizards Community

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control freak
08-01-07, 12:33 PM i was just thinking about it and it has been pointed out that CWI is amzeing and debatebly the best feat well i figure i will add feats to the equasion heres my list of top ones

1: CWI
1: Power attack
3: Spirited charge

i couldnt decide between power attack and CWI and spirited charge is on there because of how amazeing it can beif built right
myshkingfh
08-01-07, 12:39 PM I think it depends on your characer. Weapon Finesse was a big pick-up for my character. But obviously the best feat is Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Spiked Chain! :D
control freak
08-01-07, 12:41 PM well my idea was more for general feats, and power attack is definately up there and so is CWI spirited charge is simply because i couldnt think of any other really strong feats
bitznarf
08-01-07, 12:42 PM CWI is number 1 in my opinion. After that, it is hard to give a number 2, number 2 depends on the specific build that you talking about.

For summoners - Augment Summoning
For melee folks - Power Attack
For warriors - what Eric said
For wizard specialists - Metamagic School Focus
For sorcorers - metamagic in general
For healing clerics - Augment Healing
For turning clerics - Divine Ward
For rogues - Staggering Strike
etc.
etc.
Eric Anondson
08-01-07, 12:44 PM Close Quarters Fighting is easily a top choice for warriors the higher level you get. Shuts down those Improved Grabbing nasties.
myshkingfh
08-01-07, 01:08 PM I've not picked it up yet, but Staggering Strike seems like it's something I should have had all along. Might retrain to that ASAP.
Demoyn
08-01-07, 01:35 PM CWI is number 1 in my opinion. After that, it is hard to give a number 2, number 2 depends on the specific build that you talking about.

For summoners - Augment Summoning
For melee folks - Power Attack
For warriors - what Eric said
For wizard specialists - Metamagic School Focus
For sorcorers - metamagic in general
For healing clerics - Augment Healing
For turning clerics - Divine Ward
For rogues - Staggering Strike
etc.
etc.

What about battle clerics???
Lupo
08-01-07, 02:17 PM i was just thinking about it and it has been pointed out that CWI is amzeing and debatebly the best feat well i figure i will add feats to the equasion heres my list of top ones

1: CWI
1: Power attack
3: Spirited charge

i couldnt decide between power attack and CWI and spirited charge is on there because of how amazeing it can beif built right

for all casters: CWI

for frontliners: Power attack

the third is just to defendant on specific build:

Practiced Spellcaster

Divine Ward

Augment Healing

Domain Spontaneity

Rapid Shot

Melee/Ranged Weapon Mastery

ciao

martin m.

ps: a cleric with both, augment healing AND divine ward is really awful, doing this with a radiant servant of mighty rotten milk just becomes insane :P
bitznarf
08-01-07, 02:28 PM ps: a cleric with both, augment healing AND divine ward is really awful, doing this with a radiant servant of mighty rotten milk just becomes insane :P
You forgot one bit: Radiant Servant of Pelor + alternate class feature spontaneous domain casting (Healing Domain) + Augment Healing + Divine Ward.
Lupo
08-01-07, 03:04 PM You forgot one bit: Radiant Servant of Pelor + alternate class feature spontaneous domain casting (Healing Domain) + Augment Healing + Divine Ward.

but the alternate class feature is not open ;)

and there are some issues with "domain spontaneity" and the wording of the radiant class feature.

ciao

martin m.
bitznarf
08-01-07, 03:08 PM Ah, right. I was thinking Greyhawk Ruins still. And I'm aware of the issues. I don't plan on making one myself. We recently picked up a new player up here (up to 5 total including a DM now :)) who likes to play a heal bot as he called it. So his first PC is on the way to being Radiant Servant of Azor'Alq (local god). Tried a rogue in Scourge of the Howling Horde and didn't really like it, so in Greyhawk Ruins he plans on going all out healing cleric.
Timlagor
08-01-07, 03:21 PM No one has mentioned Mad Foam Rager ..though Extra Rage is needed first really and probably pips it.

I'm going with Staggering Strike for 3rd place though.
Banor
08-01-07, 08:51 PM Ah, right. I was thinking Greyhawk Ruins still. And I'm aware of the issues. I don't plan on making one myself. We recently picked up a new player up here (up to 5 total including a DM now :)) who likes to play a heal bot as he called it. So his first PC is on the way to being Radiant Servant of Azor'Alq (local god). Tried a rogue in Scourge of the Howling Horde and didn't really like it, so in Greyhawk Ruins he plans on going all out healing cleric.

Make sure you buy him a drink every time you survive APL totally imbalanced encounters with more HP than you guys started with :P
clannagh
08-01-07, 08:56 PM well my idea was more for general feats, and power attack is definately up there and so is CWI spirited charge is simply because i couldnt think of any other really strong feats

Well my paladin is training out of spirited charge once she qualifies for shock trooper becasue she doesnt have room for both and seriously spirited charge is good but shock trooper on a ride by attacker is .. well approaching broken.

So no, I wouldnt put spirited charge in the top 3 feats at all.

Its interesting that improved trip isnt mentioned .. being the root source of most of the spiked chain complaints.
Genghis Cohen
08-01-07, 09:02 PM I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Skill Focus (Craft[Paper Mache])
Wraith235
08-01-07, 09:11 PM CWI ?
what is that
Genghis Cohen
08-01-07, 09:14 PM CWI ?
what is thatCraft Wondrous Items
clannagh
08-01-07, 09:24 PM No one has mentioned Mad Foam Rager ..though Extra Rage is needed first really and probably pips it.

I have stayed away from using that one because it smacks of excess possible table variation.

For example if you fail your save against Wail of the Banshee invoke the feat as an immediate action and then have death ward cast during the spell delay ? What about if you get hit by Evards invoke the feet and then move out of the Evards area?

These questions are all resovable but I don't like using things that may cause problems at a table or generate a lot of rule checking delays.
bitznarf
08-01-07, 09:25 PM Ooh, my Wizard should so take Skill Focus (Craft (Conspiracy)). He does have the ranks..
dkay807
08-01-07, 09:33 PM The easy answer is: what does EVERYONE that plays a particular character role have (or at least most people)?

Power Attack, Augment Summoning, Practiced Spellcaster, Metamagic School Focus, Melee/Ranged Weapon Mastery, Extra Rage, Augment Healing, Craft Wondrous Item, etc.

Spirited Charge is of course popular...

They've all been said. We all know what the best open feats are!
Puggle Halfwine
08-02-07, 12:38 AM I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Empower Spell yet.
bitznarf
08-02-07, 12:40 AM Eh, I sorta put it under 'metamagic in gereral'.
jstorrie
08-02-07, 01:20 AM Weapon Specialization/Weapon Mastery (you wouldn't take one without taking both)
Extra Rage
Split Ray
copper_wyrmling
08-06-07, 07:02 PM Well my paladin is training out of spirited charge once she qualifies for shock trooper becasue she doesnt have room for both and seriously spirited charge is good but shock trooper on a ride by attacker is .. well approaching broken.

So no, I wouldnt put spirited charge in the top 3 feats at all.

But spirited charge PLUS shocktrooper is even better ;)

I'll submit Quicken Spell as one of the most powerful metamagics, but yeah, I agree with the other suggestions so far.
clannagh
08-06-07, 07:35 PM But spirited charge PLUS shocktrooper is even better ;)

I'll submit Quicken Spell as one of the most powerful metamagics, but yeah, I agree with the other suggestions so far.

Yeah but she is not human and hence feat starved .. even with a hospitaler level she needs to train out of either power attack or spirited charge to get shock trooper at level 9 (and training out power attack would make shock trooper pointless). She can get spirited charge back again at 12.
bitznarf
08-06-07, 08:04 PM You can't retrain out of power attack, you need it for Improved Bullrush.
clannagh
08-06-07, 08:18 PM You can't retrain out of power attack, you need it for Improved Bullrush.

good point :)

Basically she will just have to lose spirited charge for levels 9, 10 and 11 or wait till 12 to take shock trooper. I think as a rider by attacker she is better with double lance damage and shock trooper.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
control freak 08-01-07, 12:33 PM	i was just thinking about it and it has been pointed out that CWI is amzeing and debatebly the best feat well i figure i will add feats to the equasion heres my list of top ones 1: CWI 1: Power attack 3: Spirited charge i couldnt decide between power attack and CWI and spirited charge is on there because of how amazeing it can beif built right
myshkingfh 08-01-07, 12:39 PM	I think it depends on your characer. Weapon Finesse was a big pick-up for my character. But obviously the best feat is Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Spiked Chain! :D
control freak 08-01-07, 12:41 PM	well my idea was more for general feats, and power attack is definately up there and so is CWI spirited charge is simply because i couldnt think of any other really strong feats
bitznarf 08-01-07, 12:42 PM	CWI is number 1 in my opinion. After that, it is hard to give a number 2, number 2 depends on the specific build that you talking about. For summoners - Augment Summoning For melee folks - Power Attack For warriors - what Eric said For wizard specialists - Metamagic School Focus For sorcorers - metamagic in general For healing clerics - Augment Healing For turning clerics - Divine Ward For rogues - Staggering Strike etc. etc.
Eric Anondson 08-01-07, 12:44 PM	Close Quarters Fighting is easily a top choice for warriors the higher level you get. Shuts down those Improved Grabbing nasties.
myshkingfh 08-01-07, 01:08 PM	I've not picked it up yet, but Staggering Strike seems like it's something I should have had all along. Might retrain to that ASAP.
Demoyn 08-01-07, 01:35 PM	CWI is number 1 in my opinion. After that, it is hard to give a number 2, number 2 depends on the specific build that you talking about. For summoners - Augment Summoning For melee folks - Power Attack For warriors - what Eric said For wizard specialists - Metamagic School Focus For sorcorers - metamagic in general For healing clerics - Augment Healing For turning clerics - Divine Ward For rogues - Staggering Strike etc. etc. What about battle clerics???
Lupo 08-01-07, 02:17 PM	i was just thinking about it and it has been pointed out that CWI is amzeing and debatebly the best feat well i figure i will add feats to the equasion heres my list of top ones 1: CWI 1: Power attack 3: Spirited charge i couldnt decide between power attack and CWI and spirited charge is on there because of how amazeing it can beif built right for all casters: CWI for frontliners: Power attack the third is just to defendant on specific build: Practiced Spellcaster Divine Ward Augment Healing Domain Spontaneity Rapid Shot Melee/Ranged Weapon Mastery ciao martin m. ps: a cleric with both, augment healing AND divine ward is really awful, doing this with a radiant servant of mighty rotten milk just becomes insane :P
bitznarf 08-01-07, 02:28 PM	ps: a cleric with both, augment healing AND divine ward is really awful, doing this with a radiant servant of mighty rotten milk just becomes insane :P You forgot one bit: Radiant Servant of Pelor + alternate class feature spontaneous domain casting (Healing Domain) + Augment Healing + Divine Ward.
Lupo 08-01-07, 03:04 PM	You forgot one bit: Radiant Servant of Pelor + alternate class feature spontaneous domain casting (Healing Domain) + Augment Healing + Divine Ward. but the alternate class feature is not open ;) and there are some issues with "domain spontaneity" and the wording of the radiant class feature. ciao martin m.
bitznarf 08-01-07, 03:08 PM	Ah, right. I was thinking Greyhawk Ruins still. And I'm aware of the issues. I don't plan on making one myself. We recently picked up a new player up here (up to 5 total including a DM now :)) who likes to play a heal bot as he called it. So his first PC is on the way to being Radiant Servant of Azor'Alq (local god). Tried a rogue in Scourge of the Howling Horde and didn't really like it, so in Greyhawk Ruins he plans on going all out healing cleric.
Timlagor 08-01-07, 03:21 PM	No one has mentioned Mad Foam Rager ..though Extra Rage is needed first really and probably pips it. I'm going with Staggering Strike for 3rd place though.
Banor 08-01-07, 08:51 PM	Ah, right. I was thinking Greyhawk Ruins still. And I'm aware of the issues. I don't plan on making one myself. We recently picked up a new player up here (up to 5 total including a DM now :)) who likes to play a heal bot as he called it. So his first PC is on the way to being Radiant Servant of Azor'Alq (local god). Tried a rogue in Scourge of the Howling Horde and didn't really like it, so in Greyhawk Ruins he plans on going all out healing cleric. Make sure you buy him a drink every time you survive APL totally imbalanced encounters with more HP than you guys started with :P
clannagh 08-01-07, 08:56 PM	well my idea was more for general feats, and power attack is definately up there and so is CWI spirited charge is simply because i couldnt think of any other really strong feats Well my paladin is training out of spirited charge once she qualifies for shock trooper becasue she doesnt have room for both and seriously spirited charge is good but shock trooper on a ride by attacker is .. well approaching broken. So no, I wouldnt put spirited charge in the top 3 feats at all. Its interesting that improved trip isnt mentioned .. being the root source of most of the spiked chain complaints.
Genghis Cohen 08-01-07, 09:02 PM	I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Skill Focus (Craft[Paper Mache])
Wraith235 08-01-07, 09:11 PM	CWI ? what is that
Genghis Cohen 08-01-07, 09:14 PM	CWI ? what is thatCraft Wondrous Items
clannagh 08-01-07, 09:24 PM	No one has mentioned Mad Foam Rager ..though Extra Rage is needed first really and probably pips it. I have stayed away from using that one because it smacks of excess possible table variation. For example if you fail your save against Wail of the Banshee invoke the feat as an immediate action and then have death ward cast during the spell delay ? What about if you get hit by Evards invoke the feet and then move out of the Evards area? These questions are all resovable but I don't like using things that may cause problems at a table or generate a lot of rule checking delays.
bitznarf 08-01-07, 09:25 PM	Ooh, my Wizard should so take Skill Focus (Craft (Conspiracy)). He does have the ranks..
dkay807 08-01-07, 09:33 PM	The easy answer is: what does EVERYONE that plays a particular character role have (or at least most people)? Power Attack, Augment Summoning, Practiced Spellcaster, Metamagic School Focus, Melee/Ranged Weapon Mastery, Extra Rage, Augment Healing, Craft Wondrous Item, etc. Spirited Charge is of course popular... They've all been said. We all know what the best open feats are!
Puggle Halfwine 08-02-07, 12:38 AM	I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Empower Spell yet.
bitznarf 08-02-07, 12:40 AM	Eh, I sorta put it under 'metamagic in gereral'.
jstorrie 08-02-07, 01:20 AM	Weapon Specialization/Weapon Mastery (you wouldn't take one without taking both) Extra Rage Split Ray
copper_wyrmling 08-06-07, 07:02 PM	Well my paladin is training out of spirited charge once she qualifies for shock trooper becasue she doesnt have room for both and seriously spirited charge is good but shock trooper on a ride by attacker is .. well approaching broken. So no, I wouldnt put spirited charge in the top 3 feats at all. But spirited charge PLUS shocktrooper is even better ;) I'll submit Quicken Spell as one of the most powerful metamagics, but yeah, I agree with the other suggestions so far.
clannagh 08-06-07, 07:35 PM	But spirited charge PLUS shocktrooper is even better ;) I'll submit Quicken Spell as one of the most powerful metamagics, but yeah, I agree with the other suggestions so far. Yeah but she is not human and hence feat starved .. even with a hospitaler level she needs to train out of either power attack or spirited charge to get shock trooper at level 9 (and training out power attack would make shock trooper pointless). She can get spirited charge back again at 12.
bitznarf 08-06-07, 08:04 PM	You can't retrain out of power attack, you need it for Improved Bullrush.
clannagh 08-06-07, 08:18 PM	You can't retrain out of power attack, you need it for Improved Bullrush. good point :) Basically she will just have to lose spirited charge for levels 9, 10 and 11 or wait till 12 to take shock trooper. I think as a rider by attacker she is better with double lance damage and shock trooper.