useful feats for a sling fighter [Archive] - Wizards Community

useful feats for a sling fighter [Archive] - Wizards Community

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LGMoses
01-20-07, 02:12 AM neone seen ne feats or nethign that would work well with a sling focused fighter? I can't really think of nething other than weapon focus and I'm not sure if rapid shot will work cuz it takes a move action to load a sling.
Japangirl
01-20-07, 03:09 AM I don't know if it works, but Quick Draw might make Rapid Shot available to sling users as you could pull the ammunition as a free action instead of a move action.
Iswald
01-20-07, 10:13 AM Sling fighters aren't very practical at this point due to the move action to reload. There are no feats that will help with this like rapid reload for crossbows. To my knowledge, there are no feats or class abilities that combine well with slings.

Your best option is to make your single attack count as much as possible. Skirmish damage is out since you can't move 10' and reload. Sneak attack damage can work. Oddly, if you are willing to waste two feats, you can go into Order of the Bow Initiate and use a sling instead of a bow with all of that class' abilities. You would still need weapon focus [sling] for some abilities.

The magic stone spell (druid 1, cleric 1) would also help a small amount. Base damage increases to 1d6 from 1d3 for small PCs or 1d4 for medium and another +1 to attack and damage.
haferka
01-20-07, 10:14 AM double post.
haferka
01-20-07, 10:19 AM I remeber seeing a non-magic item that would be usefull. ? sling stone sleaves.. or something like that.. holds sling stones.. and lets you draw them as a free action.

also, there was a "war sling" exotic weapon.. basicly a larger sling with better range increment.

Spells: ?mighty blow? & greater version (races of dragon), enlarge weapon (complete scoundrel)..

Feats: Power throw (for power attack with thrown weapon)

PH2 had some feats (can't remember now)...

Disclaimer: I dont have any books in front of me.. so i'm having a hard time remembering usefull stuff...
Jay_Ibero_911
01-20-07, 11:21 AM You could use the Warsling combined with Halfling Skiprocks from Races of the Wild. Better than a basic sling anyway. Sadly, Order of the Bow Initiate specifically requires Weapon Focus (Longbow/Shortbow, or composite version), so while the abilities of the class would work with a sling, you'd have to waste 2 feats on the pre-req weapon focus and rapid shot which doesn't work with slings either. Overall, the sling is not intended to be a weapon for a serious adventurer, just a low level cheap alternative the a composite bow. So if you are dead set on a sling user, and have the weapon access....

Race:Halfling
Alignment:

STR:14 (6)-2
DEX:15 (8)+2
CON:14 (6)
INT:12 (4)
WIS:10 (2)
CHA:10 (2)

Lvl1(Ranger)Point Blank Shot, Track
Lvl2(Ranger)Rapid Shot
Lvl3(Fighter)Precise Shot, Exotic Weapon Proficiency(Skiprock)
Lvl4(Fighter)Exotic Weapon Proficiency(Warsling), +1 DEX
Lvl5(Fighter)
Lvl6(Fighter)Weapon Focus(Warsling), Weapon Focus(Composite Longbow)
Lvl7(Order of the Bow Initiate)
Lvl8(Order of the Bow Initiate)+1 DEX
Lvl9(Order of the Bow Initiate)Weapon Specialization(Warsling)
Lvl10(Order of the Bow Initiate)
Lvl11(Order of the Bow Initiate)
Lvl12(Order of the Bow Initiate)Improved Critical(Warsling), +1 DEX
Lvl13(Order of the Bow Initiate)
Lvl14(Order of the Bow Initiate)
Lvl15(Order of the Bow Initiate)Feat

Fastest way to get all the pre-requisites on top of the feats for the weapons you want to use. And when you encounter things immune to crits, you CAN rapidshot with the skiprocks, even without quickdraw because they are treated as ammunition. Despite the wasted feats, this could be an interesting build to play...just be aware of the move action required to reload...that's the biggest annoyance with that weapon.
LGMoses
01-20-07, 01:06 PM see, the main thing I was concerned on was table variance concerning rapid shot working with the sling. If it takes a move action to reload it then can you rapid shot it? It has me a little worried is all. Other than that, yeah, I was thinking two lvls ranger then str8 fighter if I didn't just skip ranger to begn with.
Lupo
01-20-07, 01:21 PM see, the main thing I was concerned on was table variance concerning rapid shot working with the sling. If it takes a move action to reload it then can you rapid shot it? It has me a little worried is all. Other than that, yeah, I was thinking two lvls ranger then str8 fighter if I didn't just skip ranger to begn with.

short and plain, no. :(

as there is no feat out there ("rapid reload" explicitly works with x-bows only), you cannot get more than one shot per round :(.

maybe you can get an unseen servant loading and handing a sling over to you for each of your attacks ;).

but not every DM might like this :P.

ciao

martin m.
UMiskatonic
01-22-07, 06:06 PM If you are committed to sling fighter, then I'd take the run feat, cuz you'll need it. I wish it were otherwise, but it's a VERY weak way to fight, mechanically.

If you're willing to -throw- rocks at people, then we're talking. Take TWF, GTWF, point blank, precise, rapid shot, W. Focus (rock), W. Spec (rock) and you'll get by. Brutal Throw and Power Throw are interesting as well, and should be taken if you have a low Dex.

Master Thrower is really the direction you'll want to go in.
Japangirl
01-22-07, 06:54 PM If you are committed to sling fighter, then I'd take the run feat, cuz you'll need it. I wish it were otherwise, but it's a VERY weak way to fight, mechanically.

If you're willing to -throw- rocks at people, then we're talking. Take TWF, GTWF, point blank, precise, rapid shot, W. Focus (rock), W. Spec (rock) and you'll get by. Brutal Throw and Power Throw are interesting as well, and should be taken if you have a low Dex.

Master Thrower is really the direction you'll want to go in.

And also take Quick Draw. Otherwise all the TWF feats are useless because you can only have a rock in each hand at a time, and drawing more is a move action.
LGMoses
01-22-07, 11:47 PM And also take Quick Draw. Otherwise all the TWF feats are useless because you can only have a rock in each hand at a time, and drawing more is a move action.

slings are considered thrown weapons if i recall correctly :D I do know for certain that I do get my str bonus to damage.
paigeoliver
01-22-07, 11:52 PM I say make a character who THROWS rocks and use the rules and mechanics for that and just make the bit about using a sling as flavor only. You know make him a miniature that has a sling and all, but when it comes down to it you just throw the rocks by hand.
Mithreinmaethor
01-22-07, 11:59 PM Well why worry about rapid shot with the sling. If you have EWP Skip rock you get basically 2 attacks with it when you throw it. Read its description. You would also need the EWP Warsling. But a medium creature with one of them can do some nice damage. But you have to get access to them also. They are not items you can normally purchase.
UMiskatonic
01-23-07, 11:24 AM Because an 11th level fighter with the right feats can throw seven rocks a round, eight with haste.

Using a sling, that fighter will only get one attack.

And Japan Girl, I skipped Quick Draw because Master throwers get it for free.
LGMoses
01-23-07, 03:10 PM Also, I think I could throw other things with little penalty. Flasks of oil for instance. Nething small and low on weight.
Mithreinmaethor
01-23-07, 04:43 PM Yeah slingers get screwed. Write in and see if they will answer it in a FAQ or something.

But with Quickdraw and just throwing them you will be fine. You just lose 35 ft of range increment (15 for rock and 50 for warsling)

But it is going to get expensive for you. Since they are considered ammunition they are destroyed when you hit. And at 3 gps each rock. Its gonna add up. Not to mention they are heavy to carry around.
kenobi65
01-23-07, 05:52 PM But it is going to get expensive for you. Since they are considered ammunition they are destroyed when you hit. And at 3 gps each rock. Its gonna add up. Not to mention they are heavy to carry around.

Yup...it's up there with playing a pistoleer in Living Arcanis...you're gonna be spending a lot on ammo.
kenobi65
01-23-07, 05:55 PM Also, I think I could throw other things with little penalty. Flasks of oil for instance. Nething small and low on weight.

"Low on weight" is going to be relative.

Oil flasks, alchemists' oil, acid, etc. all weigh 1 pound each. Tanglefoot bags weigh 4 pounds. It sounds like you're playing a high-Str character (which is why you like the sling), but carrying a significant amount of this "ammo" is gonna be heavy.
_m_
01-23-07, 09:24 PM "Low on weight" is going to be relative.

Oil flasks, alchemists' oil, acid, etc. all weigh 1 pound each. Tanglefoot bags weigh 4 pounds. It sounds like you're playing a high-Str character (which is why you like the sling), but carrying a significant amount of this "ammo" is gonna be heavy.

not really. just take a pair of haversacks. keep a bunch of rocks readily accesable, just like normal arrows for an archer, and dump the rest an hhh's and bags of holding.
clannagh
01-23-07, 10:40 PM if you have spare feats far shot is a good one with a sling .. it only improves by 50% as sling is a projectile weapon but still 75' is way better than 50' range increment
LGMoses
01-24-07, 12:30 AM if you have spare feats far shot is a good one with a sling .. it only improves by 50% as sling is a projectile weapon but still 75' is way better than 50' range increment

yeah, i experienced the joy that is farshot recently with a fighter in a ravenloft campaign. Throwing holywater 40' kicks ass.
thorinXXX
01-30-07, 03:18 PM Honestly, the best feat for a slig user is Weapon Proficiency(longbow).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
LGMoses 01-20-07, 02:12 AM	neone seen ne feats or nethign that would work well with a sling focused fighter? I can't really think of nething other than weapon focus and I'm not sure if rapid shot will work cuz it takes a move action to load a sling.
Japangirl 01-20-07, 03:09 AM	I don't know if it works, but Quick Draw might make Rapid Shot available to sling users as you could pull the ammunition as a free action instead of a move action.
Iswald 01-20-07, 10:13 AM	Sling fighters aren't very practical at this point due to the move action to reload. There are no feats that will help with this like rapid reload for crossbows. To my knowledge, there are no feats or class abilities that combine well with slings. Your best option is to make your single attack count as much as possible. Skirmish damage is out since you can't move 10' and reload. Sneak attack damage can work. Oddly, if you are willing to waste two feats, you can go into Order of the Bow Initiate and use a sling instead of a bow with all of that class' abilities. You would still need weapon focus [sling] for some abilities. The magic stone spell (druid 1, cleric 1) would also help a small amount. Base damage increases to 1d6 from 1d3 for small PCs or 1d4 for medium and another +1 to attack and damage.
haferka 01-20-07, 10:14 AM	double post.
haferka 01-20-07, 10:19 AM	I remeber seeing a non-magic item that would be usefull. ? sling stone sleaves.. or something like that.. holds sling stones.. and lets you draw them as a free action. also, there was a "war sling" exotic weapon.. basicly a larger sling with better range increment. Spells: ?mighty blow? & greater version (races of dragon), enlarge weapon (complete scoundrel).. Feats: Power throw (for power attack with thrown weapon) PH2 had some feats (can't remember now)... Disclaimer: I dont have any books in front of me.. so i'm having a hard time remembering usefull stuff...
Jay_Ibero_911 01-20-07, 11:21 AM	You could use the Warsling combined with Halfling Skiprocks from Races of the Wild. Better than a basic sling anyway. Sadly, Order of the Bow Initiate specifically requires Weapon Focus (Longbow/Shortbow, or composite version), so while the abilities of the class would work with a sling, you'd have to waste 2 feats on the pre-req weapon focus and rapid shot which doesn't work with slings either. Overall, the sling is not intended to be a weapon for a serious adventurer, just a low level cheap alternative the a composite bow. So if you are dead set on a sling user, and have the weapon access.... Race:Halfling Alignment: STR:14 (6)-2 DEX:15 (8)+2 CON:14 (6) INT:12 (4) WIS:10 (2) CHA:10 (2) Lvl1(Ranger)Point Blank Shot, Track Lvl2(Ranger)Rapid Shot Lvl3(Fighter)Precise Shot, Exotic Weapon Proficiency(Skiprock) Lvl4(Fighter)Exotic Weapon Proficiency(Warsling), +1 DEX Lvl5(Fighter) Lvl6(Fighter)Weapon Focus(Warsling), Weapon Focus(Composite Longbow) Lvl7(Order of the Bow Initiate) Lvl8(Order of the Bow Initiate)+1 DEX Lvl9(Order of the Bow Initiate)Weapon Specialization(Warsling) Lvl10(Order of the Bow Initiate) Lvl11(Order of the Bow Initiate) Lvl12(Order of the Bow Initiate)Improved Critical(Warsling), +1 DEX Lvl13(Order of the Bow Initiate) Lvl14(Order of the Bow Initiate) Lvl15(Order of the Bow Initiate)Feat Fastest way to get all the pre-requisites on top of the feats for the weapons you want to use. And when you encounter things immune to crits, you CAN rapidshot with the skiprocks, even without quickdraw because they are treated as ammunition. Despite the wasted feats, this could be an interesting build to play...just be aware of the move action required to reload...that's the biggest annoyance with that weapon.
LGMoses 01-20-07, 01:06 PM	see, the main thing I was concerned on was table variance concerning rapid shot working with the sling. If it takes a move action to reload it then can you rapid shot it? It has me a little worried is all. Other than that, yeah, I was thinking two lvls ranger then str8 fighter if I didn't just skip ranger to begn with.
Lupo 01-20-07, 01:21 PM	see, the main thing I was concerned on was table variance concerning rapid shot working with the sling. If it takes a move action to reload it then can you rapid shot it? It has me a little worried is all. Other than that, yeah, I was thinking two lvls ranger then str8 fighter if I didn't just skip ranger to begn with. short and plain, no. :( as there is no feat out there ("rapid reload" explicitly works with x-bows only), you cannot get more than one shot per round :(. maybe you can get an unseen servant loading and handing a sling over to you for each of your attacks ;). but not every DM might like this :P. ciao martin m.
UMiskatonic 01-22-07, 06:06 PM	If you are committed to sling fighter, then I'd take the run feat, cuz you'll need it. I wish it were otherwise, but it's a VERY weak way to fight, mechanically. If you're willing to -throw- rocks at people, then we're talking. Take TWF, GTWF, point blank, precise, rapid shot, W. Focus (rock), W. Spec (rock) and you'll get by. Brutal Throw and Power Throw are interesting as well, and should be taken if you have a low Dex. Master Thrower is really the direction you'll want to go in.
Japangirl 01-22-07, 06:54 PM	If you are committed to sling fighter, then I'd take the run feat, cuz you'll need it. I wish it were otherwise, but it's a VERY weak way to fight, mechanically. If you're willing to -throw- rocks at people, then we're talking. Take TWF, GTWF, point blank, precise, rapid shot, W. Focus (rock), W. Spec (rock) and you'll get by. Brutal Throw and Power Throw are interesting as well, and should be taken if you have a low Dex. Master Thrower is really the direction you'll want to go in. And also take Quick Draw. Otherwise all the TWF feats are useless because you can only have a rock in each hand at a time, and drawing more is a move action.
LGMoses 01-22-07, 11:47 PM	And also take Quick Draw. Otherwise all the TWF feats are useless because you can only have a rock in each hand at a time, and drawing more is a move action. slings are considered thrown weapons if i recall correctly :D I do know for certain that I do get my str bonus to damage.
paigeoliver 01-22-07, 11:52 PM	I say make a character who THROWS rocks and use the rules and mechanics for that and just make the bit about using a sling as flavor only. You know make him a miniature that has a sling and all, but when it comes down to it you just throw the rocks by hand.
Mithreinmaethor 01-22-07, 11:59 PM	Well why worry about rapid shot with the sling. If you have EWP Skip rock you get basically 2 attacks with it when you throw it. Read its description. You would also need the EWP Warsling. But a medium creature with one of them can do some nice damage. But you have to get access to them also. They are not items you can normally purchase.
UMiskatonic 01-23-07, 11:24 AM	Because an 11th level fighter with the right feats can throw seven rocks a round, eight with haste. Using a sling, that fighter will only get one attack. And Japan Girl, I skipped Quick Draw because Master throwers get it for free.
LGMoses 01-23-07, 03:10 PM	Also, I think I could throw other things with little penalty. Flasks of oil for instance. Nething small and low on weight.
Mithreinmaethor 01-23-07, 04:43 PM	Yeah slingers get screwed. Write in and see if they will answer it in a FAQ or something. But with Quickdraw and just throwing them you will be fine. You just lose 35 ft of range increment (15 for rock and 50 for warsling) But it is going to get expensive for you. Since they are considered ammunition they are destroyed when you hit. And at 3 gps each rock. Its gonna add up. Not to mention they are heavy to carry around.
kenobi65 01-23-07, 05:52 PM	But it is going to get expensive for you. Since they are considered ammunition they are destroyed when you hit. And at 3 gps each rock. Its gonna add up. Not to mention they are heavy to carry around. Yup...it's up there with playing a pistoleer in Living Arcanis...you're gonna be spending a lot on ammo.
kenobi65 01-23-07, 05:55 PM	Also, I think I could throw other things with little penalty. Flasks of oil for instance. Nething small and low on weight. "Low on weight" is going to be relative. Oil flasks, alchemists' oil, acid, etc. all weigh 1 pound each. Tanglefoot bags weigh 4 pounds. It sounds like you're playing a high-Str character (which is why you like the sling), but carrying a significant amount of this "ammo" is gonna be heavy.
_m_ 01-23-07, 09:24 PM	"Low on weight" is going to be relative. Oil flasks, alchemists' oil, acid, etc. all weigh 1 pound each. Tanglefoot bags weigh 4 pounds. It sounds like you're playing a high-Str character (which is why you like the sling), but carrying a significant amount of this "ammo" is gonna be heavy. not really. just take a pair of haversacks. keep a bunch of rocks readily accesable, just like normal arrows for an archer, and dump the rest an hhh's and bags of holding.
clannagh 01-23-07, 10:40 PM	if you have spare feats far shot is a good one with a sling .. it only improves by 50% as sling is a projectile weapon but still 75' is way better than 50' range increment
LGMoses 01-24-07, 12:30 AM	if you have spare feats far shot is a good one with a sling .. it only improves by 50% as sling is a projectile weapon but still 75' is way better than 50' range increment yeah, i experienced the joy that is farshot recently with a fighter in a ravenloft campaign. Throwing holywater 40' kicks ass.
thorinXXX 01-30-07, 03:18 PM	Honestly, the best feat for a slig user is Weapon Proficiency(longbow).