Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Stormhawk 01-20-07, 01:13 PM	If you had an AR that stated +1 enhancement, weapon or armor upgrade (to a maximum of +3), it would be strictly referring to a +2 or +3 upgrade, correct? Am I correct in assuming that +1d6 Frost, Fire, and Shock are not considered enhancement upgrades and that they need to be found specifically on an AR, much like Bane and Keen? Do I have this correct? Thanks in advance. -S
Britt 01-20-07, 01:59 PM	Correct, those others are enchantments and have enhancement bonus equivalents, but are not enhancement bonuses.
clannagh 01-22-07, 12:45 AM	Correct, those others are enchantments and have enhancement bonus equivalents, but are not enhancement bonuses. OK .... Does that mean if i have already upgraded a weapon to something like frost (using appropriate AR access) and then later get an AR access to upgrade any weapon to +2 .... I can do that as well (even though with frost the weapon is +2 equivalent and so the +2 enhancement will actually cost +3 gp )
Britt 01-22-07, 01:33 AM	Yes. +2 is different from a price equivalent of +2. The only time those equivalences matter for what you are considering is when you are getting close to +10 (I think, don't have my books with me), or when you are computing cost. You could have a +1 flaming, frost, shock, vorpal, merciful sap and still upgrade it to +2 flaming, frost, etc with that favor. It would just cost a lot.
Japangirl 01-22-07, 01:57 AM	How do you subdually knock someone's head off (vorpal sap). Just wondering . . .:mymy:
LGMoses 01-22-07, 03:47 AM	Ahhh, another problem solved by Britt. The most famous Circle member. How did you get to be the one in charge of the forums Britt? Was it by choice or did u draw the shortest straw? :P The other Circle members are all mysterious and diabolical. Who knows what they are plotting. :plotting:
Britt 01-22-07, 09:22 AM	What, the merciful sap wasn't questionable enough? Or the vorpal merciful weapon? :) Who said I was in charge? :p I just spend a lot of time here giving out false information that other Circle members will be confused by when they find out about it ;) See, that's my scheming.
DuctShuiTengu 01-22-07, 10:59 AM	Yes. +2 is different from a price equivalent of +2. The only time those equivalences matter for what you are considering is when you are getting close to +10 (I think, don't have my books with me), or when you are computing cost. You could have a +1 flaming, frost, shock, vorpal, merciful sap and still upgrade it to +2 flaming, frost, etc with that favor. It would just cost a lot. Actually, you need a slashing weapon for Vorpal. Sap is bludgeoning.
Britt 01-22-07, 11:39 AM	Actually, you need a slashing weapon for Vorpal. Sap is bludgeoning. Yes, I know that; I thought it would be funny. You know, the whole merciful sap, merciful vorpal, vorpal sap, flaming frost, etc etc. Some of it's legal, some of it isn't, but almost all of the example is funny in an odd way.
LGMoses 01-22-07, 12:15 PM	What, the merciful sap wasn't questionable enough? Or the vorpal merciful weapon? :) Who said I was in charge? :p I just spend a lot of time here giving out false information that other Circle members will be confused by when they find out about it ;) See, that's my scheming. I don't think there are ne other Circle Members. I think you are the only one. I've never seen a circle member face to face. You are the only one that posts. I don't believe they exist. Maybe u murdered them in their sleep and assumed their power or somethng, but you are all we ever see.
Britt 01-22-07, 12:48 PM	I don't think there are ne other Circle Members. I think you are the only one. I've never seen a circle member face to face. You are the only one that posts. I don't believe they exist. Maybe u murdered them in their sleep and assumed their power or somethng, but you are all we ever see. Rary ring a bell? I just hope I got all their clones.
Arvagor 01-22-07, 01:18 PM	... flaming frost, etc etc. ...I recall doing an experiment in high school physics or chemistry (likely the latter) where we ignited cubes of frozen alcohol -- that was rather bizarre, but I as a result, I consider flaming frost weapons the least of the bizarre combos ;)
LGMoses 01-23-07, 12:00 AM	Rary ring a bell? I just hope I got all their clones. Yeah, may want to double check that.
clannagh 01-23-07, 01:14 AM	Yes. +2 is different from a price equivalent of +2. The only time those equivalences matter for what you are considering is when you are getting close to +10 (I think, don't have my books with me), or when you are computing cost. You could have a +1 flaming, frost, shock, vorpal, merciful sap and still upgrade it to +2 flaming, frost, etc with that favor. It would just cost a lot. actually vorpal is a +5 upgrade (got access to vorpal recently so had to look it up) +6 if you count the original +1 so a +1 vorpal weapon could only take 4 more upgrades before it maxed at the +10 limit unless one of flaming shock merciful or frost are gc cost upgrades than you have run out of headroom
Britt 01-23-07, 01:48 AM	Again, vorpal sap, i.e. it was not meant to be a real, legal weapon :)
clannagh 01-23-07, 01:53 AM	Again, vorpal sap, i.e. it was not meant to be a real, legal weapon :) what i really want to know is what does vorpal do to a hydra :) does it only cut off one head ? or all available heads ?
frupton 01-23-07, 02:12 AM	Again, vorpal sap, i.e. it was not meant to be a real, legal weapon :) "One, two! One, two! And through and through The vorpal sap went snicker-smack!"
KarmaInferno 01-23-07, 10:38 AM	I like the idea of a Vorpal Warhammer. The visual of hitting someone in the face so hard you take their head clean off just appeals in a silly sort of way. Takes the phrase, "knock your block off" to a whole new level. -karma
ShinAkuma2 01-23-07, 11:22 AM	"One, two! One, two! And through and through The vorpal sap went snicker-smack!" Indeed, it's merciful in that, once decaptitated, you no longer feel the pain of being beaned by the sap.
LachlarlanIII 01-23-07, 12:43 PM	I don't think there are ne other Circle Members. I think you are the only one. I've never seen a circle member face to face. You are the only one that posts. I don't believe they exist. Maybe u murdered them in their sleep and assumed their power or somethng, but you are all we ever see. Highlander! THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!
LGMoses 01-23-07, 03:15 PM	Highlander! THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE! :heehee Reminds me of this guy who ran an epic level PLayers vs. player game at the hobby store I run at. I told him that If I played I'd be make Kurgan. But yeah, it was Player vs. Player and the last person standing got a Colossal red dragon. The entry fee was 20 bucks. The game lasted until sunrise the next day when two high level wizards called a truce and decided to flip a coin for it.
rockondon 01-24-07, 12:54 AM	I played a regional mod and under the "items found during the adventure" section I have the following access: Any weapon or armor upgrade up to +3 (regional) It makes no mention of the word 'enhancement' so does that mean I can make (for example) spell resistance armor and shocking, flaming weapons? That sounds too good to be true.
Britt 01-24-07, 01:09 AM	It likely (it better) mean to +3 enhancement bonus. Ask your Triad for clarification.