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ornsjach 10-04-07, 06:08 AM	I how does the polymorph errata affect the bear warriors bear form abillity such as stats and such? I would also like to know if bear warriors use there weapon(s) in bear form or just the bears claws? finaly would some one be so kind to exsplaine exsactly how this PrC class actuly works seeing the books exsample is about as clear as mud. thanks in advance, ornsjach
ShinAkuma2 10-04-07, 10:16 AM	Since Bear Form doesn't really work like a regular Polymorph, the errata doesn't do anything to change it. A Bear doesn't have thumbs, so it wouldn't have much luck weilding any sort of weapon. I don't know what you mean about the book's examples...You simply take the Bear Form bonuses (for Black, Brown, or Dire, as appropriate), and add them to your stats just like you would a regular Rage. You gain the size, reach, and speed of the bear form, and its natural weapons, plus Improved Grab for the latter forms.
Iswald 10-06-07, 05:01 AM	There was an errata for CW that covered the number of uses of rage and turning into a bear. Not sure which parts of the PrC you are confused by.
ornsjach 10-06-07, 05:37 PM	most of it sadly. mostly the part that states "as normal for polymorph you gain the bears physical qualities (size, movement, natural armor bonus, natural weapons, space, and reach, as well as any EX special attacks possessed by that form. unlike polymorph you dont get the bears str, dex, or con, nor do u gain your HP back" however I did look up the stat mods for the bear forms and there almost exsatly the same as the stat gains you get for going into bear form
Timlagor 10-06-07, 07:13 PM	Just ignore the "as/unlike polymorph" phrases and it should make sense. The references to polymorph don't actually contribute anything.
ShinAkuma2 10-07-07, 01:13 AM	mostly the part that states "as normal for polymorph you gain the bears physical qualities (size, movement, natural armor bonus, natural weapons, space, and reach, as well as any EX special attacks possessed by that form. Ok, I'll use Brown Bear as my example. As normal for Polymorphing into a Brown Bear, you get: Large size, Movement 40 ft, Natural Armor Bonus 5, 2 claws (1d8+Str) and bite (2d6+1/2 Str), Space/Reach 10 ft/5 ft, and Improved Grab however I did look up the stat mods for the bear forms and there almost exsatly the same as the stat gains you get for going into bear form Now normally for becoming a Brown Bear, you'd get Str 27, Dex 13, Con 19. However, you instead get +16 added to your Str, +2 added to your Dex, and +8 added to your Con. These changes are handled just like a normal Rage.
GeorgeFHarris 10-07-07, 11:41 AM	Just ignore the "as/unlike polymorph" phrases and it should make sense. The references to polymorph don't actually contribute anything. Yes it does. It makes a difference in one aspect. By the polymorph rules, you are no longer a humanoid. You are an animal. That makes a big difference for the targeting of spells. For example, Enlarge Person will not work on a Bear Warrior in Bear form, but an Animal Growth would. The same would also be true for harmful spells, such as Charm Person or Hold Person. GH
solbergb 10-08-07, 08:17 PM	multiple enlarge effects don't stack, so animal growth wouldn't do anything to a BW in brown bear form unless he's a centaur in his normal form. I think you're right though, this is probably the last vestage of "your type changes" polymorph left in Living Greyhawk.
Timlagor 10-09-07, 10:53 AM	Yes it does. It makes a difference in one aspect. By the polymorph rules, you are no longer a humanoid. You are an animal. That makes a big difference for the targeting of spells. For example, Enlarge Person will not work on a Bear Warrior in Bear form, but an Animal Growth would. The same would also be true for harmful spells, such as Charm Person or Hold Person. GH Except that it doesn't say that it's a polymorph effect so it doesn't tell you about your type either way. (it just says that it does some things like polymorph)
magebeast 10-09-07, 06:42 PM	Except that it doesn't say that it's a polymorph effect so it doesn't tell you about your type either way. (it just says that it does some things like polymorph) It says "as normal for polymorph EXCEPT" and then lists the exceptions. Normally, when something is polymorphed, its type changes to match that of whatever its being polymorphed to. Sometimes this means your type changes from "Humanoid" to "Humanoid" but generally it's different.
awroe 10-10-07, 01:29 PM	It says "as normal for polymorph EXCEPT" and then lists the exceptions. No it doesn't. It states: Bear Form (Su): A bear warrior can transform into a bear (similar to the polymorph spell) while in a rage or frenzy. His only limit on the number of times per day he can assume a bear form is the number of times per day he enters a rage or frenzy, and the bear warrior returns to his own form once the rage or frenzy ends. The bear warrior retains the normal +2 bonus on Will saves and –2 penalty to Armor Class while raging, but the ability score bonuses granted by rage or frenzy are replaced by Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution bonuses appropriate to the bear form taken (see below). As normal for polymorph, the bear warrior gains the bear form’s physical qualities (including size, movement, natural armor bonus, natural weapons, space, and reach), as well as any extra ordinary special attacks possessed by the form (such as improved grab in the brown bear or dire bear form). The transformation lasts for the duration of the rage or frenzy. Unlike with the polymorph spell, a bear warrior doesn’t gain the bear’s Strength, Dexterity, and Constitution scores when he takes bear form, nor does he regain any hit points when he transforms. However, his current hit points increase due to his new Constitution, as normal for a rage ability.
magebeast 10-10-07, 10:16 PM	No it doesn't. It states: Oh damn, look at me. That's what I get for not reading carefully.
awroe 10-11-07, 04:58 AM	Oh damn, look at me. That's what I get for not reading carefully. :) It's the joy of Wizard's 'I'll be a bit imprecise about what I mean - it's not like anyone will bother arguing, it's so obvious' mantra...
Timlagor 10-11-07, 02:02 PM	Oh damn, look at me. That's what I get for not reading carefully. Pretty careless when you're specifically arguing a contradiction about the wording :P
GeorgeFHarris 10-16-07, 06:23 PM	No it doesn't. It states: Bear Form (Su): A bear warrior can transform into a bear (similar to the polymorph spell) while in a rage or frenzy. As normal for polymorph, the bear warrior gains the bear form’s physical qualities (including size, movement, natural armor bonus, natural weapons, space, and reach), as well as any extra ordinary special attacks possessed by the form (such as improved grab in the brown bear or dire bear form). And as a GM and player (of a Bear Warrior), I read the first section to mean that your type changes (similar to the polymorph spell). Now, I will say that this is somewhat ambiguous, and I would not object to a GM that kept my type as Humanoid (Dwarf). There are drawbacks and advantages to both rulings. GH