Clerics of Kord and Dragonhide [Archive] - Wizards Community

Clerics of Kord and Dragonhide [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Ferol, Debtor of Torm
03-08-08, 04:24 PM The deities document says that clerics of Kord cannot wear dragonhide unless they also bear the blood of Kord.

Does having a shield count as wearing it?

Opinions?
magebeast
03-08-08, 06:24 PM The deities document says that clerics of Kord cannot wear dragonhide unless they also bear the blood of Kord.

Does having a shield count as wearing it?

Opinions?

I'd say that you're wearing the shield if you're using it.
Ferol, Debtor of Torm
03-08-08, 08:03 PM What if it was animated? (Yes, I know it's a stretch).
magebeast
03-08-08, 10:02 PM What if it was animated? (Yes, I know it's a stretch).

Well for all intents and purposes you're still considered to be using the shield as normal right?

I wouldn't just take my word for it by the way as I haven't looked up any rules wordings and I've DMed a grand total of 2 or 3 times but that's my gut reaction.
Jay_Ibero_911
03-08-08, 10:12 PM The deities document says that clerics of Kord cannot wear dragonhide unless they also bear the blood of Kord.

Does having a shield count as wearing it?

Opinions?

I can't think of any reason besides flavor that a cleric of Kord would really need to wear dragonhide anyway...especially shield since there's no mechanical benefit whatsoever...
boolean
03-08-08, 11:19 PM I can't think of any reason besides flavor that a cleric of Kord would really need to wear dragonhide anyway...especially shield since there's no mechanical benefit whatsoever...

It's possible that the PC has gotten access to something like a +1 Animated Dragonhide Heavy Shield. So, if he really wants an animated shield, and this is his only access, he's out of luck because Kord says "No".
Simpi
03-09-08, 05:33 AM It's possible that the PC has gotten access to something like a +1 Animated Dragonhide Heavy Shield. So, if he really wants an animated shield, and this is his only access, he's out of luck because Kord says "No".

Unless said PC has gained access to "Blood of Kord" feat somewhere. :P

Sampo Haarlaa
Naerie Triad
Ferol, Debtor of Torm
03-10-08, 08:10 PM The character in question has access to Dragoncraft shields. Slotless cheap energy resistance is always good.

Gah, codes of conduct are only supposed to hurt Paladins! Not Clerics of Kord.

=(
Arvagor
03-11-08, 12:04 PM Gah, codes of conduct are only supposed to hurt Paladins! Not Clerics of Kord.
Yeah, piety's a b*tch, ain't it? ;)

(... said the cleric of Vatun, who has to always carry a torch -- a real one -- if I want to cast spells...)
_metz_
03-11-08, 10:18 PM Yeah, piety's a b*tch, ain't it? ;)

(... said the cleric of Vatun, who has to always carry a torch -- a real one -- if I want to cast spells...)

I'm just glad to see clerics who aren't radiant servants whenever I see them.

A dwarf in full plate earth glides out of the ground and gives you a hug!

(I am a perrender, clerics NOT of pelor are rare...)
Hariman
03-12-08, 10:39 PM I'm just glad to see clerics who aren't radiant servants whenever I see them.

A dwarf in full plate earth glides out of the ground and gives you a hug!

(I am a perrender, clerics NOT of pelor are rare...)

My Kobold Cleric of Io (Jynx) was once at a table with two clerics of Pelor. Nobody at the table was going for radiant servant.
_metz_
03-12-08, 11:01 PM My Kobold Cleric of Io (Jynx) was once at a table with two clerics of Pelor. Nobody at the table was going for radiant servant.

That just makes them suboptimal generic clerics of pelor, not unique :)

(This is a joke)
clannagh
03-13-08, 12:54 AM It might be a LITTLE bit harsh to criticise people for building clerics of Pelor in a region where Pelor is probably the major God in the regional metaorg.

In fact if you want to build a cleric that is in character for Perrenland (human region swarming with undead and evil outsiders) a Human Radiant Servant of Pelor is probably the most typical cleric NPCwise in the region and from a role play point of view a good character choice.

Now a RSoP in Ratik or Greyhawk is another matter !! .. but those are few and far between from my observations. In Ratik I have not even come across many RS of Atroa and do not know of any Ratik native RSoP only RSoP that migrated from perrenland.

(that said ... my greyhawk character is a would be RSoP who believes Clerics with the travel domain are inherently evil and thinks fly should be a proscribed spell but that is beside the point, it was built to be a Perrender and got co-opted into the Greyhawk campaign).
_metz_
03-13-08, 01:24 AM It might be a LITTLE bit harsh to criticise people for building clerics of Pelor in a region where Pelor is probably the major God in the regional metaorg.

Who's criticising? just saying my non pelor cleric likes variety in his theological discussions! At the moment he only meets Pelorite clerics. Not having a go or anything, for the region its in character, as much as being a pholtan is in characcter for the pale.

Just making a comical aside IN character...

:)

As to your greyhawk PC, I just find it funny that she spent several adventures with a celestian cleric, made for good GMing from that perspective...
clannagh
03-13-08, 02:02 AM Who's criticising? just saying my non pelor cleric likes variety in his theological discussions! At the moment he only meets Pelorite clerics. Not having a go or anything, for the region its in character, as much as being a pholtan is in characcter for the pale.

Just making a comical aside IN character...

:)

As to your greyhawk PC, I just find it funny that she spent several adventures with a celestian cleric, made for good GMing from that perspective...

.. and do bear in mind my Joramite Bright Sands cleric has spent a lot of time in perrenland trying to convince the locals that Joramy is not really a cantankerous biatch and is actually just misunderstood.
_metz_
03-13-08, 02:08 AM .. and do bear in mind my Joramite Bright Sands cleric has spent a lot of time in perrenland trying to convince the locals that Joramy is not really a cantankerous biatch and is actually just misunderstood.

Hey Glenn, I know these characters exist, I just never end up on the table with them :)

Often because two clerics don't ususally get to play with each other at cons where there is more than one table at the same/similar APL :)
Hariman
03-19-08, 07:41 PM That just makes them suboptimal generic clerics of pelor, not unique :)

(This is a joke)

Suboptimal generic cleric is an oxymoron. Unless you try really hard to make your character useless.
TetsujinOni
03-20-08, 11:00 AM Suboptimal generic cleric is an oxymoron. Unless you try really hard to make your character useless.

Non-frontline dwarven clerics with shield specialization, dodge, and mobility who try to hit things with a club (not a mace, a club) at APL 6.
bitznarf
03-20-08, 11:50 AM Thats a playstyle thing, not a mechanical build thing. What it really comes down to is that so long as you start with 15 wisdom, and bump it every 4 levels, the rest of the build is just gravy.
copperwyrmling
03-20-08, 01:43 PM Thats a playstyle thing, not a mechanical build thing. What it really comes down to is that so long as you start with 15 wisdom, and bump it every 4 levels, the rest of the build is just gravy.

Even 14 Wisdom is enough, to be honest (although 15 is better). If you gave that non-frontline dwarven cleric's character sheet to a skilled player, it wouldn't matter that he'd wasted all his feats, he'd still be a strong contributor to the party from spells alone. If you keep full caster levels and have decent Wisdom, it really is almost impossible to make a non-contributing cleric build.

(That said, when I say "suboptimal" I mean "not optimized", and that's very easy to do - it doesn't mean they're a bad character, just that they're not as powerful as they could be. My own cleric is a suboptimal cleric, because she worships Joramy and loses access to a number of very powerful mechanical options by virtue of that choice. She's still a perfectly viable PC.)
_metz_
03-20-08, 04:53 PM (That said, when I say "suboptimal" I mean "not optimized", and that's very easy to do - it doesn't mean they're a bad character, just that they're not as powerful as they could be. My own cleric is a suboptimal cleric, because she worships Joramy and loses access to a number of very powerful mechanical options by virtue of that choice. She's still a perfectly viable PC.)

Thats what I mean, Copper gets it.

Suboptimal means that you are trying to do something, bt not as good as it as you could be. (e.g: Cleric of Pelor that is not a radiant servant)
UMiskatonic
03-20-08, 07:56 PM For the record, I had a perfectly good Bard 1/Cleric 4 of Pelor, headed straight for Virtuoso. THEN, virtuoso got rewritten, only affects arcane casting level now.

Seemed a shame not to become a radiant servant, it fell into my lap, but I didn't ask for it.

And some of us, actually walk the walk too. We've built the only chapel to Pelor in our entire realm, which wasn't exactly cheap.
Newpaintbrush
04-05-08, 03:18 PM The deities document says that clerics of Kord cannot wear dragonhide unless they also bear the blood of Kord.

Does having a shield count as wearing it?

Opinions?

I would consider a non-descendant of Kord that was a cleric of Kord that used an animated dragonhide shield to be blasphemous.

In LG_Deities 2.0, Kord is described as wearing dragonhide gauntlets, not full dragonhide armor.

Considering that clerics of Kord are prohibited from wearing mantles or armor that are dragonhide, I think it logical that they cannot use shields or animated shields that are dragonhide either. I think it is supposed to be a general proscription on dragonhide items.
MwaO
04-06-08, 12:51 PM Who's criticising? just saying my non pelor cleric likes variety in his theological discussions! At the moment he only meets Pelorite clerics. Not having a go or anything, for the region its in character, as much as being a pholtan is in characcter for the pale.

That's one of the reasons I picked Pelor for my Favored Beguiler - when he runs into actual clerics of Pelor, the roleplaying usually gets pretty interesting. And as there are a lot of them...

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Ferol, Debtor of Torm 03-08-08, 04:24 PM	The deities document says that clerics of Kord cannot wear dragonhide unless they also bear the blood of Kord. Does having a shield count as wearing it? Opinions?
magebeast 03-08-08, 06:24 PM	The deities document says that clerics of Kord cannot wear dragonhide unless they also bear the blood of Kord. Does having a shield count as wearing it? Opinions? I'd say that you're wearing the shield if you're using it.
Ferol, Debtor of Torm 03-08-08, 08:03 PM	What if it was animated? (Yes, I know it's a stretch).
magebeast 03-08-08, 10:02 PM	What if it was animated? (Yes, I know it's a stretch). Well for all intents and purposes you're still considered to be using the shield as normal right? I wouldn't just take my word for it by the way as I haven't looked up any rules wordings and I've DMed a grand total of 2 or 3 times but that's my gut reaction.
Jay_Ibero_911 03-08-08, 10:12 PM	The deities document says that clerics of Kord cannot wear dragonhide unless they also bear the blood of Kord. Does having a shield count as wearing it? Opinions? I can't think of any reason besides flavor that a cleric of Kord would really need to wear dragonhide anyway...especially shield since there's no mechanical benefit whatsoever...
boolean 03-08-08, 11:19 PM	I can't think of any reason besides flavor that a cleric of Kord would really need to wear dragonhide anyway...especially shield since there's no mechanical benefit whatsoever... It's possible that the PC has gotten access to something like a +1 Animated Dragonhide Heavy Shield. So, if he really wants an animated shield, and this is his only access, he's out of luck because Kord says "No".
Simpi 03-09-08, 05:33 AM	It's possible that the PC has gotten access to something like a +1 Animated Dragonhide Heavy Shield. So, if he really wants an animated shield, and this is his only access, he's out of luck because Kord says "No". Unless said PC has gained access to "Blood of Kord" feat somewhere. :P Sampo Haarlaa Naerie Triad
Ferol, Debtor of Torm 03-10-08, 08:10 PM	The character in question has access to Dragoncraft shields. Slotless cheap energy resistance is always good. Gah, codes of conduct are only supposed to hurt Paladins! Not Clerics of Kord. =(
Arvagor 03-11-08, 12:04 PM	Gah, codes of conduct are only supposed to hurt Paladins! Not Clerics of Kord. Yeah, piety's a b*tch, ain't it? ;) (... said the cleric of Vatun, who has to always carry a torch -- a real one -- if I want to cast spells...)
_metz_ 03-11-08, 10:18 PM	Yeah, piety's a b*tch, ain't it? ;) (... said the cleric of Vatun, who has to always carry a torch -- a real one -- if I want to cast spells...) I'm just glad to see clerics who aren't radiant servants whenever I see them. A dwarf in full plate earth glides out of the ground and gives you a hug! (I am a perrender, clerics NOT of pelor are rare...)
Hariman 03-12-08, 10:39 PM	I'm just glad to see clerics who aren't radiant servants whenever I see them. A dwarf in full plate earth glides out of the ground and gives you a hug! (I am a perrender, clerics NOT of pelor are rare...) My Kobold Cleric of Io (Jynx) was once at a table with two clerics of Pelor. Nobody at the table was going for radiant servant.
_metz_ 03-12-08, 11:01 PM	My Kobold Cleric of Io (Jynx) was once at a table with two clerics of Pelor. Nobody at the table was going for radiant servant. That just makes them suboptimal generic clerics of pelor, not unique :) (This is a joke)
clannagh 03-13-08, 12:54 AM	It might be a LITTLE bit harsh to criticise people for building clerics of Pelor in a region where Pelor is probably the major God in the regional metaorg. In fact if you want to build a cleric that is in character for Perrenland (human region swarming with undead and evil outsiders) a Human Radiant Servant of Pelor is probably the most typical cleric NPCwise in the region and from a role play point of view a good character choice. Now a RSoP in Ratik or Greyhawk is another matter !! .. but those are few and far between from my observations. In Ratik I have not even come across many RS of Atroa and do not know of any Ratik native RSoP only RSoP that migrated from perrenland. (that said ... my greyhawk character is a would be RSoP who believes Clerics with the travel domain are inherently evil and thinks fly should be a proscribed spell but that is beside the point, it was built to be a Perrender and got co-opted into the Greyhawk campaign).
_metz_ 03-13-08, 01:24 AM	It might be a LITTLE bit harsh to criticise people for building clerics of Pelor in a region where Pelor is probably the major God in the regional metaorg. Who's criticising? just saying my non pelor cleric likes variety in his theological discussions! At the moment he only meets Pelorite clerics. Not having a go or anything, for the region its in character, as much as being a pholtan is in characcter for the pale. Just making a comical aside IN character... :) As to your greyhawk PC, I just find it funny that she spent several adventures with a celestian cleric, made for good GMing from that perspective...
clannagh 03-13-08, 02:02 AM	Who's criticising? just saying my non pelor cleric likes variety in his theological discussions! At the moment he only meets Pelorite clerics. Not having a go or anything, for the region its in character, as much as being a pholtan is in characcter for the pale. Just making a comical aside IN character... :) As to your greyhawk PC, I just find it funny that she spent several adventures with a celestian cleric, made for good GMing from that perspective... .. and do bear in mind my Joramite Bright Sands cleric has spent a lot of time in perrenland trying to convince the locals that Joramy is not really a cantankerous biatch and is actually just misunderstood.
_metz_ 03-13-08, 02:08 AM	.. and do bear in mind my Joramite Bright Sands cleric has spent a lot of time in perrenland trying to convince the locals that Joramy is not really a cantankerous biatch and is actually just misunderstood. Hey Glenn, I know these characters exist, I just never end up on the table with them :) Often because two clerics don't ususally get to play with each other at cons where there is more than one table at the same/similar APL :)
Hariman 03-19-08, 07:41 PM	That just makes them suboptimal generic clerics of pelor, not unique :) (This is a joke) Suboptimal generic cleric is an oxymoron. Unless you try really hard to make your character useless.
TetsujinOni 03-20-08, 11:00 AM	Suboptimal generic cleric is an oxymoron. Unless you try really hard to make your character useless. Non-frontline dwarven clerics with shield specialization, dodge, and mobility who try to hit things with a club (not a mace, a club) at APL 6.
bitznarf 03-20-08, 11:50 AM	Thats a playstyle thing, not a mechanical build thing. What it really comes down to is that so long as you start with 15 wisdom, and bump it every 4 levels, the rest of the build is just gravy.
copperwyrmling 03-20-08, 01:43 PM	Thats a playstyle thing, not a mechanical build thing. What it really comes down to is that so long as you start with 15 wisdom, and bump it every 4 levels, the rest of the build is just gravy. Even 14 Wisdom is enough, to be honest (although 15 is better). If you gave that non-frontline dwarven cleric's character sheet to a skilled player, it wouldn't matter that he'd wasted all his feats, he'd still be a strong contributor to the party from spells alone. If you keep full caster levels and have decent Wisdom, it really is almost impossible to make a non-contributing cleric build. (That said, when I say "suboptimal" I mean "not optimized", and that's very easy to do - it doesn't mean they're a bad character, just that they're not as powerful as they could be. My own cleric is a suboptimal cleric, because she worships Joramy and loses access to a number of very powerful mechanical options by virtue of that choice. She's still a perfectly viable PC.)
_metz_ 03-20-08, 04:53 PM	(That said, when I say "suboptimal" I mean "not optimized", and that's very easy to do - it doesn't mean they're a bad character, just that they're not as powerful as they could be. My own cleric is a suboptimal cleric, because she worships Joramy and loses access to a number of very powerful mechanical options by virtue of that choice. She's still a perfectly viable PC.) Thats what I mean, Copper gets it. Suboptimal means that you are trying to do something, bt not as good as it as you could be. (e.g: Cleric of Pelor that is not a radiant servant)
UMiskatonic 03-20-08, 07:56 PM	For the record, I had a perfectly good Bard 1/Cleric 4 of Pelor, headed straight for Virtuoso. THEN, virtuoso got rewritten, only affects arcane casting level now. Seemed a shame not to become a radiant servant, it fell into my lap, but I didn't ask for it. And some of us, actually walk the walk too. We've built the only chapel to Pelor in our entire realm, which wasn't exactly cheap.
Newpaintbrush 04-05-08, 03:18 PM	The deities document says that clerics of Kord cannot wear dragonhide unless they also bear the blood of Kord. Does having a shield count as wearing it? Opinions? I would consider a non-descendant of Kord that was a cleric of Kord that used an animated dragonhide shield to be blasphemous. In LG_Deities 2.0, Kord is described as wearing dragonhide gauntlets, not full dragonhide armor. Considering that clerics of Kord are prohibited from wearing mantles or armor that are dragonhide, I think it logical that they cannot use shields or animated shields that are dragonhide either. I think it is supposed to be a general proscription on dragonhide items.
MwaO 04-06-08, 12:51 PM	Who's criticising? just saying my non pelor cleric likes variety in his theological discussions! At the moment he only meets Pelorite clerics. Not having a go or anything, for the region its in character, as much as being a pholtan is in characcter for the pale. That's one of the reasons I picked Pelor for my Favored Beguiler - when he runs into actual clerics of Pelor, the roleplaying usually gets pretty interesting. And as there are a lot of them...