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TWG_Prometheus
03-27-07, 09:15 AM I was looking over the LGCS rulings on cohorts this morning and got a bit confused about why one would keep seperate ARs for them. They share access with their Leader, and although they could get gold and experience in the middle of a level, the same gold & Experience amounts are being constantly recalculated as the Leader gains levels. They can't get closer than their ECL + 2 to their Leader or they abandon them either. I guess it would help them replenish consumables between the Leader's levels, but otherwise I just don't get it. Sounds like a lot of bookwork for minimal return to me. I guess it also gets them one-time favors that they couldn't have without ARs. Am I just not thinking about something else important?
Crazy Boro
03-27-07, 10:47 AM I was looking over the LGCS rulings on cohorts this morning and got a bit confused about why one would keep seperate ARs for them. They share access with their Leader, and although they could get gold and experience in the middle of a level, the same gold & Experience amounts are being constantly recalculated as the Leader gains levels. They can't get closer than their ECL + 2 to their Leader or they abandon them either. I guess it would help them replenish consumables between the Leader's levels, but otherwise I just don't get it. Sounds like a lot of bookwork for minimal return to me. I guess it also gets them one-time favors that they couldn't have without ARs. Am I just not thinking about something else important?

Favors, disfavors, curses, blessings, things that they only got, etc. The only access that is explicitly said in the LGCS for cohorts is "item" access. Nothing said about feat access, spell access, class access, or other things that pop-up. Helps make your cohort unique and closer to an actual pc than a glorified follower IMO.
Lupo
03-27-07, 12:13 PM I was looking over the LGCS rulings on cohorts this morning and got a bit confused about why one would keep seperate ARs for them. They share access with their Leader, and although they could get gold and experience in the middle of a level, the same gold & Experience amounts are being constantly recalculated as the Leader gains levels. They can't get closer than their ECL + 2 to their Leader or they abandon them either. I guess it would help them replenish consumables between the Leader's levels, but otherwise I just don't get it. Sounds like a lot of bookwork for minimal return to me. I guess it also gets them one-time favors that they couldn't have without ARs. Am I just not thinking about something else important?

Favors, disfavors, curses, blessings, things that they only got, etc. The only access that is explicitly said in the LGCS for cohorts is "item" access. Nothing said about feat access, spell access, class access, or other things that pop-up. Helps make your cohort unique and closer to an actual pc than a glorified follower IMO.

the cohort might choose different favor items then your main character, a fighter cohort has no use of the arcanist's favor for limited spells but might be interested in a limited feat.

if the cohort dies, you have to track xp, it might level on its own way before your character levels again (until an actual death, i leave the cohort xp fields blank, then just calculate mid level and start from there).

the gold vaporization is painful at the moment, i am not to happy with the tight limits it puts especially on fighter type cohorts - right now, my main character is the owner of more than half of the value of the items his cohort uses . . . .

at least this makes some other characters happy, when i play my character at a table WITHOUT his cohort.

items to swap around:

WoWP; Broze Grifffon
Single Weapon Capsule
Ghost blight oil x 5
Belt of Giant Strength +4
Belt of One Mighty Blow
Scarab of Golembane
Cloak of Elemental Prot.
Mithral Breastplate, +1

ciao

martin m.
cycloptic_squirrel
03-27-07, 08:31 PM WoWP; Broze Grifffon
Single Weapon Capsule
Ghost blight oil x 5
Belt of Giant Strength +4
Belt of One Mighty Blow
Scarab of Golembane
Cloak of Elemental Prot.
Mithral Breastplate, +1

Drool...

AHem! Hello, you seem to be of a strong adventuring nature and I am very impressed by the epic tales of your many heroic deeds and seemingly impossible accomplishments. As such, I would love nothing more than to partake in your particular adventures and generally learn under in the glory of your shining example. If you would accept me as your cohort I would endeavor to do my utmost to rise to any standard that you might think me capable of. What say yea? Might I be allowed to accompany you as a cohort?
Lupo
03-27-07, 08:59 PM Drool...

AHem! Hello, you seem to be of a strong adventuring nature and I am very impressed by the epic tales of your many heroic deeds and seemingly impossible accomplishments. As such, I would love nothing more than to partake in your particular adventures and generally learn under in the glory of your shining example. If you would accept me as your cohort I would endeavor to do my utmost to rise to any standard that you might think me capable of. What say yea? Might I be allowed to accompany you as a cohort?

:P, sorry, do you see the big, ugly - eh . . . - impressive dakon over there? the one who bends iron bars to prezels?? he might not like you for taking his place in my heart :P and at my side with his quest for killing every member of the scarlet brotherhood, especially the spellcasters ;).

ok, at level 13 a lot of characters have even more and stranger items at their command, i never made it to one of the "special" specials where they handed out REALLY goodies to drool at (ok, and collected souls of dead characters in big crates as well). and my characters haven't picked up any of the special goodies from the other specials, my druid was short a split second of ending in the fountain that granted the shadow template in "dread spiral", he would have been there atop of his tiger anyway, hmm, a tiger with the shadowy subtype :cool:.

the above is just to show that the momentary situation for cohorts is "sub optimal", a cohort does not only require a feat of the character but also sucks up a substantial amount of gp value from the leader - at least if it is a "fighting type", some can be used by the leader himself or be handed out to others but that is not always the case :rolleyes:.

anyways, at tables beyond APL 8 always ask for some "borrow and lend" proposals.

ciao

martin m.
cycloptic_squirrel
03-27-07, 09:17 PM :P, sorry, do you see the big, ugly - eh . . . - impressive dakon over there? the one who bends iron bars to prezels?? he might not like you for taking his place in my heart :P and at my side with his quest for killing every member of the scarlet brotherhood, especially the spellcasters ;).

That's OK! I'm good at sharing. Japangirl taught me how! The Dakon and I? We're cool. We'll even share a bunk bed. Top bunk!
Lupo
03-27-07, 09:34 PM That's OK! I'm good at sharing. Japangirl taught me how! The Dakon and I? We're cool. We'll even share a bunk bed. Top bunk!

yea, dakons always remind me to the very first star wars movie

:P

"That's 'cause droids don't pull people's arms out of their sockets when they lose. Wookiees are known to do that."

:P

ciao

martin m.
cycloptic_squirrel
03-27-07, 10:19 PM yea, dakons always remind me to the very first star wars movie

:P

"That's 'cause droids don't pull people's arms out of their sockets when they lose. Wookiees are known to do that."

:P

ciao

martin m.

Hmmm...
(rolls a one on his common sense/survival instinct roll)
Top bunk!
haferka
03-28-07, 12:00 AM I have access to a satyr cohort (with pipes). which will become the party bard/marshal.

I already have access to a magic flute that summons fey with a simple perform check..

the flute is far to expensive for the cohort... so I will be purchasing it with my main character.

I just have to build the satyr with all the possible summoning augmentation possible. :)

btw... if I ever play enophe to retire... the satyr will probably become a dirge singer. and I will use my acess to the dakon cohort to turn him into an undead minion.
cycloptic_squirrel
03-28-07, 03:04 AM Belt of Giant Strength +4
Belt of One Mighty Blow

BTW, what's the deal with the belts? Two of them?
Lupo
03-28-07, 08:52 AM BTW, what's the deal with the belts? Two of them?

my cleric crafted the giant strength belt lately and still hasn't found a reason to sell the other one for half gp value ;)

i just keep it, sometimes you need a "magic item" as a bribe or bait for some nasty critters :).

ciao

martin m.
cycloptic_squirrel
03-28-07, 03:26 PM my cleric crafted the giant strength belt lately and still hasn't found a reason to sell the other one for half gp value ;)

i just keep it, sometimes you need a "magic item" as a bribe or bait for some nasty critters :).

ciao

martin m.

For 1.5 k, I can see how it'd be useful to keep around, though I suppose at the level you're at you don't run into too many people with an open belt slot. ;)
Yeah, if you'd just hang onto the gold anyway, this at least might see some use.
Still drooling though.
Japangirl
03-28-07, 04:50 PM I know lots of people at high levels with open belt slots. Me, my ranger friend, my wizard friend, his cleric cohort, the mystic theurge friend. In fact, everyone I know who doesn't want a belt of strength has an open belt slot at the moment!
cycloptic_squirrel
03-29-07, 02:37 AM I know lots of people at high levels with open belt slots. Me, my ranger friend, my wizard friend, his cleric cohort, the mystic theurge friend. In fact, everyone I know who doesn't want a belt of strength has an open belt slot at the moment!

Then how do your pants stay up?!? :D

Sorry, I'm reading threads when I should be sleeping again. :crazy:
Gallaway
03-29-07, 03:14 AM I know lots of people at high levels with open belt slots. Me, my ranger friend, my wizard friend, his cleric cohort, the mystic theurge friend. In fact, everyone I know who doesn't want a belt of strength has an open belt slot at the moment!

You clearly have not got access to Filby's Belt Of Loud Sustained Belching yet.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
TWG_Prometheus 03-27-07, 09:15 AM	I was looking over the LGCS rulings on cohorts this morning and got a bit confused about why one would keep seperate ARs for them. They share access with their Leader, and although they could get gold and experience in the middle of a level, the same gold & Experience amounts are being constantly recalculated as the Leader gains levels. They can't get closer than their ECL + 2 to their Leader or they abandon them either. I guess it would help them replenish consumables between the Leader's levels, but otherwise I just don't get it. Sounds like a lot of bookwork for minimal return to me. I guess it also gets them one-time favors that they couldn't have without ARs. Am I just not thinking about something else important?
Crazy Boro 03-27-07, 10:47 AM	I was looking over the LGCS rulings on cohorts this morning and got a bit confused about why one would keep seperate ARs for them. They share access with their Leader, and although they could get gold and experience in the middle of a level, the same gold & Experience amounts are being constantly recalculated as the Leader gains levels. They can't get closer than their ECL + 2 to their Leader or they abandon them either. I guess it would help them replenish consumables between the Leader's levels, but otherwise I just don't get it. Sounds like a lot of bookwork for minimal return to me. I guess it also gets them one-time favors that they couldn't have without ARs. Am I just not thinking about something else important? Favors, disfavors, curses, blessings, things that they only got, etc. The only access that is explicitly said in the LGCS for cohorts is "item" access. Nothing said about feat access, spell access, class access, or other things that pop-up. Helps make your cohort unique and closer to an actual pc than a glorified follower IMO.
Lupo 03-27-07, 12:13 PM	I was looking over the LGCS rulings on cohorts this morning and got a bit confused about why one would keep seperate ARs for them. They share access with their Leader, and although they could get gold and experience in the middle of a level, the same gold & Experience amounts are being constantly recalculated as the Leader gains levels. They can't get closer than their ECL + 2 to their Leader or they abandon them either. I guess it would help them replenish consumables between the Leader's levels, but otherwise I just don't get it. Sounds like a lot of bookwork for minimal return to me. I guess it also gets them one-time favors that they couldn't have without ARs. Am I just not thinking about something else important? Favors, disfavors, curses, blessings, things that they only got, etc. The only access that is explicitly said in the LGCS for cohorts is "item" access. Nothing said about feat access, spell access, class access, or other things that pop-up. Helps make your cohort unique and closer to an actual pc than a glorified follower IMO. the cohort might choose different favor items then your main character, a fighter cohort has no use of the arcanist's favor for limited spells but might be interested in a limited feat. if the cohort dies, you have to track xp, it might level on its own way before your character levels again (until an actual death, i leave the cohort xp fields blank, then just calculate mid level and start from there). the gold vaporization is painful at the moment, i am not to happy with the tight limits it puts especially on fighter type cohorts - right now, my main character is the owner of more than half of the value of the items his cohort uses . . . . at least this makes some other characters happy, when i play my character at a table WITHOUT his cohort. items to swap around: WoWP; Broze Grifffon Single Weapon Capsule Ghost blight oil x 5 Belt of Giant Strength +4 Belt of One Mighty Blow Scarab of Golembane Cloak of Elemental Prot. Mithral Breastplate, +1 ciao martin m.
cycloptic_squirrel 03-27-07, 08:31 PM	WoWP; Broze Grifffon Single Weapon Capsule Ghost blight oil x 5 Belt of Giant Strength +4 Belt of One Mighty Blow Scarab of Golembane Cloak of Elemental Prot. Mithral Breastplate, +1 Drool... AHem! Hello, you seem to be of a strong adventuring nature and I am very impressed by the epic tales of your many heroic deeds and seemingly impossible accomplishments. As such, I would love nothing more than to partake in your particular adventures and generally learn under in the glory of your shining example. If you would accept me as your cohort I would endeavor to do my utmost to rise to any standard that you might think me capable of. What say yea? Might I be allowed to accompany you as a cohort?
Lupo 03-27-07, 08:59 PM	Drool... AHem! Hello, you seem to be of a strong adventuring nature and I am very impressed by the epic tales of your many heroic deeds and seemingly impossible accomplishments. As such, I would love nothing more than to partake in your particular adventures and generally learn under in the glory of your shining example. If you would accept me as your cohort I would endeavor to do my utmost to rise to any standard that you might think me capable of. What say yea? Might I be allowed to accompany you as a cohort? :P, sorry, do you see the big, ugly - eh . . . - impressive dakon over there? the one who bends iron bars to prezels?? he might not like you for taking his place in my heart :P and at my side with his quest for killing every member of the scarlet brotherhood, especially the spellcasters ;). ok, at level 13 a lot of characters have even more and stranger items at their command, i never made it to one of the "special" specials where they handed out REALLY goodies to drool at (ok, and collected souls of dead characters in big crates as well). and my characters haven't picked up any of the special goodies from the other specials, my druid was short a split second of ending in the fountain that granted the shadow template in "dread spiral", he would have been there atop of his tiger anyway, hmm, a tiger with the shadowy subtype :cool:. the above is just to show that the momentary situation for cohorts is "sub optimal", a cohort does not only require a feat of the character but also sucks up a substantial amount of gp value from the leader - at least if it is a "fighting type", some can be used by the leader himself or be handed out to others but that is not always the case :rolleyes:. anyways, at tables beyond APL 8 always ask for some "borrow and lend" proposals. ciao martin m.
cycloptic_squirrel 03-27-07, 09:17 PM	:P, sorry, do you see the big, ugly - eh . . . - impressive dakon over there? the one who bends iron bars to prezels?? he might not like you for taking his place in my heart :P and at my side with his quest for killing every member of the scarlet brotherhood, especially the spellcasters ;). That's OK! I'm good at sharing. Japangirl taught me how! The Dakon and I? We're cool. We'll even share a bunk bed. Top bunk!
Lupo 03-27-07, 09:34 PM	That's OK! I'm good at sharing. Japangirl taught me how! The Dakon and I? We're cool. We'll even share a bunk bed. Top bunk! yea, dakons always remind me to the very first star wars movie :P "That's 'cause droids don't pull people's arms out of their sockets when they lose. Wookiees are known to do that." :P ciao martin m.
cycloptic_squirrel 03-27-07, 10:19 PM	yea, dakons always remind me to the very first star wars movie :P "That's 'cause droids don't pull people's arms out of their sockets when they lose. Wookiees are known to do that." :P ciao martin m. Hmmm... (rolls a one on his common sense/survival instinct roll) Top bunk!
haferka 03-28-07, 12:00 AM	I have access to a satyr cohort (with pipes). which will become the party bard/marshal. I already have access to a magic flute that summons fey with a simple perform check.. the flute is far to expensive for the cohort... so I will be purchasing it with my main character. I just have to build the satyr with all the possible summoning augmentation possible. :) btw... if I ever play enophe to retire... the satyr will probably become a dirge singer. and I will use my acess to the dakon cohort to turn him into an undead minion.
cycloptic_squirrel 03-28-07, 03:04 AM	Belt of Giant Strength +4 Belt of One Mighty Blow BTW, what's the deal with the belts? Two of them?
Lupo 03-28-07, 08:52 AM	BTW, what's the deal with the belts? Two of them? my cleric crafted the giant strength belt lately and still hasn't found a reason to sell the other one for half gp value ;) i just keep it, sometimes you need a "magic item" as a bribe or bait for some nasty critters :). ciao martin m.
cycloptic_squirrel 03-28-07, 03:26 PM	my cleric crafted the giant strength belt lately and still hasn't found a reason to sell the other one for half gp value ;) i just keep it, sometimes you need a "magic item" as a bribe or bait for some nasty critters :). ciao martin m. For 1.5 k, I can see how it'd be useful to keep around, though I suppose at the level you're at you don't run into too many people with an open belt slot. ;) Yeah, if you'd just hang onto the gold anyway, this at least might see some use. Still drooling though.
Japangirl 03-28-07, 04:50 PM	I know lots of people at high levels with open belt slots. Me, my ranger friend, my wizard friend, his cleric cohort, the mystic theurge friend. In fact, everyone I know who doesn't want a belt of strength has an open belt slot at the moment!
cycloptic_squirrel 03-29-07, 02:37 AM	I know lots of people at high levels with open belt slots. Me, my ranger friend, my wizard friend, his cleric cohort, the mystic theurge friend. In fact, everyone I know who doesn't want a belt of strength has an open belt slot at the moment! Then how do your pants stay up?!? :D Sorry, I'm reading threads when I should be sleeping again. :crazy:
Gallaway 03-29-07, 03:14 AM	I know lots of people at high levels with open belt slots. Me, my ranger friend, my wizard friend, his cleric cohort, the mystic theurge friend. In fact, everyone I know who doesn't want a belt of strength has an open belt slot at the moment! You clearly have not got access to Filby's Belt Of Loud Sustained Belching yet.