Crafting Non Magical item [Archive] - Wizards Community

Crafting Non Magical item [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
Rayous
10-12-07, 10:08 AM Say i took craft armor and wanted to make myself a set of platemail for 1/3 price. How many TUs does this take? I cant seem to find where it says in the LGCS.
Wraith235
10-12-07, 10:17 AM I dont think that its possible to be honest .... I'd be interested if it was because of the RoTW Thistledown suit
JamesMaissen
10-12-07, 10:48 AM Say i took craft armor and wanted to make myself a set of platemail for 1/3 price. How many TUs does this take? I cant seem to find where it says in the LGCS.

Despite being able to sum up what would be needed to include this as an option in about a paragraph they've never allowed mundane item creation.

A small minority of us would have really liked to have done so over the years, and as such always asked for its inclusion each year when the LGCS was being reviewed... but to no avail.

Other campaigns seem to allow it without much ado, but for LG you'll have to buy off the rack.

-James
Rayous
10-12-07, 11:01 AM "LG uses the D&D core rules. If this document does not discuss a rule or does not provide the details for a rule, consult the core rulebooks (PH, DMG, and MM) for more information. LG does not use variant rules unless specifically stated otherwise; sidebars are considered variant rules. If a rule in this document and the core rulebooks conflict, the rule in this document takes precedence. See Chapter Four for more details on the rulebooks used in LG."

Under skills it lists an additional rule but does not place a restriction:

"7. Skills
Craft, Perform, Profession, and Sleight of Hand: These skills allow your PC to earn extra coin if TUs are spent. See Chapter Five: Benefits from Nonadventuring Activity for more details.

After any adventure, you may attempt to make money over the cap by immediately spending 1 TU and making a check using one of the following skills: Craft, Perform, Profession, Sleight of Hand, or Tumble. You may only spend 1 TU per adventure this way. You do not have to pay lifestyle costs for
a TU spent in this way. You must declare what DC you are trying to meet or exceed before making the skill roll. If you succeed at the check, you gain the listed coin. You may not take 20."

No where did it say that you cant use the skill as it is normally intended.

"No item may be sold for more than it was purchased at any time. If your PC has done this, it needs to reverse the profit made immediately."

This covers any abuse anyone might try to make items then sell them back at half cost for a profit. Since selling magic items is always at half market cost (aka equal to crafting cost) i cant see where else this would apply.

"Craft Magic Items (CMI)
You can craft any item for which you meet the crafting prerequisites and which either appears in Appendix 4: Open Items or you have ever had access to purchase in the Items Found section of any AR. In addition to standard XP and GP costs, you must also spend TUs. Every five days of crafting costs your PC 1 TU. You may only spend 1 TU crafting per adventure, unless you are crafting a single item that requires more than five days; you may spend as many TUs as are required to craft such a single item. When crafting a single item that requires multiple TUs, any unused days that remain after completion of the item are wasted. Item creation occurs before the adventure starts."

The Underlined sections above could apply just as well to Non magic items. Other than all that i have put in this post i could not find anything in the LGCS about crafting normal items so I can find no conflict with the lgcs document per the first paragraph in this post. I am about to go through the dispel confusion archives to see if i can find something.

edit: checked all the dispel confusions, not mentioned there...grr
Timlagor
10-12-07, 01:30 PM CMI is very clearly only about magic items.

The Circle have said many many times that non-magic items cannot be crafted in LG.
Rayous
10-12-07, 01:52 PM They have? Please, tell me where. I just want proof in writing either way! (I am GM and player so I have this question from both sides of the fence)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Rayous 10-12-07, 10:08 AM	Say i took craft armor and wanted to make myself a set of platemail for 1/3 price. How many TUs does this take? I cant seem to find where it says in the LGCS.
Wraith235 10-12-07, 10:17 AM	I dont think that its possible to be honest .... I'd be interested if it was because of the RoTW Thistledown suit
JamesMaissen 10-12-07, 10:48 AM	Say i took craft armor and wanted to make myself a set of platemail for 1/3 price. How many TUs does this take? I cant seem to find where it says in the LGCS. Despite being able to sum up what would be needed to include this as an option in about a paragraph they've never allowed mundane item creation. A small minority of us would have really liked to have done so over the years, and as such always asked for its inclusion each year when the LGCS was being reviewed... but to no avail. Other campaigns seem to allow it without much ado, but for LG you'll have to buy off the rack. -James
Rayous 10-12-07, 11:01 AM	"LG uses the D&D core rules. If this document does not discuss a rule or does not provide the details for a rule, consult the core rulebooks (PH, DMG, and MM) for more information. LG does not use variant rules unless specifically stated otherwise; sidebars are considered variant rules. If a rule in this document and the core rulebooks conflict, the rule in this document takes precedence. See Chapter Four for more details on the rulebooks used in LG." Under skills it lists an additional rule but does not place a restriction: "7. Skills Craft, Perform, Profession, and Sleight of Hand: These skills allow your PC to earn extra coin if TUs are spent. See Chapter Five: Benefits from Nonadventuring Activity for more details. After any adventure, you may attempt to make money over the cap by immediately spending 1 TU and making a check using one of the following skills: Craft, Perform, Profession, Sleight of Hand, or Tumble. You may only spend 1 TU per adventure this way. You do not have to pay lifestyle costs for a TU spent in this way. You must declare what DC you are trying to meet or exceed before making the skill roll. If you succeed at the check, you gain the listed coin. You may not take 20." No where did it say that you cant use the skill as it is normally intended. "No item may be sold for more than it was purchased at any time. If your PC has done this, it needs to reverse the profit made immediately." This covers any abuse anyone might try to make items then sell them back at half cost for a profit. Since selling magic items is always at half market cost (aka equal to crafting cost) i cant see where else this would apply. "Craft Magic Items (CMI) You can craft any item for which you meet the crafting prerequisites and which either appears in Appendix 4: Open Items or you have ever had access to purchase in the Items Found section of any AR. In addition to standard XP and GP costs, you must also spend TUs. Every five days of crafting costs your PC 1 TU. You may only spend 1 TU crafting per adventure, unless you are crafting a single item that requires more than five days; you may spend as many TUs as are required to craft such a single item. When crafting a single item that requires multiple TUs, any unused days that remain after completion of the item are wasted. Item creation occurs before the adventure starts." The Underlined sections above could apply just as well to Non magic items. Other than all that i have put in this post i could not find anything in the LGCS about crafting normal items so I can find no conflict with the lgcs document per the first paragraph in this post. I am about to go through the dispel confusion archives to see if i can find something. edit: checked all the dispel confusions, not mentioned there...grr
Timlagor 10-12-07, 01:30 PM	CMI is very clearly only about magic items. The Circle have said many many times that non-magic items cannot be crafted in LG.
Rayous 10-12-07, 01:52 PM	They have? Please, tell me where. I just want proof in writing either way! (I am GM and player so I have this question from both sides of the fence)