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Rerednaw 05-16-07, 03:36 PM	Per the Excerpt here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20070411a&page=3) In addition, the layer of the Demonweb has the following special traits: Enhanced Magic: The Demonweb alters magic and bends other aspects of reality. In the Demonweb, evil or chaotic spells function as if cast by a caster of twice the normal level. Web spells spread out to fill twice the area that they normally would. The save DC of the poison spell increases by 3. Spider climb lasts twice as long, as do spells that summon any type of vermin. So a Summoning a Fiendish Monstrous Spider (CE, Vermin) would 2x2x2 = 4x as long? Or 2x2 (Chaotic and Evil do not stack, but aligned spell and summoning vermin type does) 3x as long? Or is it 4x as long because twice caster level and 2x duration?
bitznarf 05-16-07, 03:49 PM	I would read 'evil or chaotic' as the condition for casting at caster level x2. Thus being evil and chaotic simply makes the equation true, giving you caster level x2. The other is a seperate condition 'spider climb or summon vermin' that when it equates to true gives you a spell of longer duration. Note that Extend Spell can be stacked on this giving you x4 duration (look at Shadowcraft Mage for precedent). Putting it all together an Extended Summoning of a Feindish Monstrous Spider would last 8 times longer than usual.
Howie23 05-16-07, 04:08 PM	Per the Excerpt here (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20070411a&page=3) Enhanced Magic: The Demonweb alters magic and bends other aspects of reality. In the Demonweb, evil or chaotic spells function as if cast by a caster of twice the normal level. So, Herzou blasphemy would be CL26? Lovely. Good thing wouldn't expect to find a chaotic evil demon ...um.... there. :eek: David
Japangirl 05-16-07, 05:41 PM	So, Herzou blasphemy would be CL26? Lovely. Good thing wouldn't expect to find a chaotic evil demon ...um.... there. :eek: David It is my sincere (but not very confident) hope that all creatures in Demonweb have Blasphemy struck from their abilities and spell lists.
LachlarlanIII 05-16-07, 06:04 PM	So, Herzou blasphemy would be CL26? Lovely. Good thing wouldn't expect to find a chaotic evil demon ...um.... there. :eek: David I would guess you'd be more likely to see a CL 14-15 Drow Cleric of Lolth in the Demonweb Pits at APL 12. That's a CL 28-30 Blasphemy.
GwendolynK 05-16-07, 07:11 PM	In the entire module, only one creature has blasphemy, and the encounter is outside the Demonweb. :-) And bitz is right. Read the doubling best as "chaotic or evil" giving x2 and then vermin also doubles, but we've established in the rules that doubling a doubling results in 3x. (Double for damage or duration means really "base value again" as you already seem to know by including x3.) So summoned fiendish vermin hang around 3x as long as they do on the Material Plane. Regards, Gwendolyn Kestrel
bitznarf 05-16-07, 08:40 PM	In the entire module, only one creature has blasphemy, and the encounter is outside the Demonweb. :-) And bitz is right. Read the doubling best as "chaotic or evil" giving x2 and then vermin also doubles, but we've established in the rules that doubling a doubling results in 3x. (Double for damage or duration means really "base value again" as you already seem to know by including x3.) So summoned fiendish vermin hang around 3x as long as they do on the Material Plane. Regards, Gwendolyn Kestrel They are doubling different things. One doubles caster level, the other doubles duration. If they both doubled duration then it would be x3.
Howie23 05-16-07, 10:42 PM	In the entire module, only one creature has blasphemy, and the encounter is outside the Demonweb. :-) Gwendolyn Kestrel Nice to get that information from one of the authors. Thanks. David
Rerednaw 05-18-07, 09:57 AM	In the entire module, only one creature has blasphemy, and the encounter is outside the Demonweb. :-) And bitz is right. Read the doubling best as "chaotic or evil" giving x2 and then vermin also doubles, but we've established in the rules that doubling a doubling results in 3x. (Double for damage or duration means really "base value again" as you already seem to know by including x3.) So summoned fiendish vermin hang around 3x as long as they do on the Material Plane. Regards, Gwendolyn Kestrel That's what I figured, just wanted it backed up. Thanks for the response.
dkay807 05-18-07, 10:43 AM	Has Demonweb Pits already been adapted and released for home play?
GwendolynK 05-21-07, 04:36 PM	The work we've been chatting about here is the new hardcover, Expedition to the Demonweb Pits. I suspect you're asking about the old module being updated, like we did White Plume Mountain. I don't believe we've done one of those close revisions of the original Demonweb.
Howie23 05-21-07, 04:48 PM	The work we've been chatting about here is the new hardcover, Expedition to the Demonweb Pits. I suspect you're asking about the old module being updated, like we did White Plume Mountain. I don't believe we've done one of those close revisions of the original Demonweb. He's asking about the adaptation of EttDP for Living Greyhawk. The Adaptation isn't available yet, but word is soon. David