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Jay_Ibero_911 01-27-08, 09:00 PM	Ok...my druid has access to one of these in the items found box of one of his older AR's. The specific one found was a +1 Necklace of 3 natural weapons, for 6200gp. What I want to know is: 1) Assuming I meet the pre-reqs (Craft wondrous+Craft A&A), what kind of necklace can I craft? Could I make a +1 necklace of one natural weapon, or would it have to be 3 like the one I found? This is the question I am most unsure of. 2) Would I later be able to upgrade it to +2/+3/etc... or would +1 be the highest I can go because that's all I found? I think because the LGCS says that +1-+5 weapon upgrades are open access and that the necklace counts as a weapon for upgrade purposes that I can. 3) The item's description in savage species states it can be upgraded as a normal weapon, except the cost is multiplied by the number of weapons the necklace affects. Can I add weapon special abilities through normal CMA&A use or purchasing, or would I need to find specific other necklaces with that ability to be able to add them? Again, due to access rules I think as long as I've seen a weapon with the appropriate ability in the items found box and meet the prerequisites that I can craft the upgrades, or use favors to have upgrades added to it.
KShaver 01-28-08, 11:02 AM	1. You have to start with the 3 weapon version at +1, just like finding a burst weapon you have to make the whole thing unless you've found the smaller enchantment on its own at some point. Of course at 3 weapons and +1 you're paying more for a more limited vesion of an amulet of mighty fists (which is open of course). 2&3. Both of these are a little more iffy. If the necklace says it can be upgraded just like a weapon (or 3), then I'd be inclined to say weapon upgrading rules apply. The thing is rules like this* were introduced later in 3.0 and simply haven't resurfaced again in 3.5 that I've seen. *Weapon and Armor upgrades being applied to non-weapon and armor types, like bracers of armor being able to accept armor upgrades other than just enhancement bonuses.
Jay_Ibero_911 01-28-08, 12:26 PM	1. You have to start with the 3 weapon version at +1, just like finding a burst weapon you have to make the whole thing unless you've found the smaller enchantment on its own at some point. Of course at 3 weapons and +1 you're paying more for a more limited vesion of an amulet of mighty fists (which is open of course). 2&3. Both of these are a little more iffy. If the necklace says it can be upgraded just like a weapon (or 3), then I'd be inclined to say weapon upgrading rules apply. The thing is rules like this* were introduced later in 3.0 and simply haven't resurfaced again in 3.5 that I've seen. *Weapon and Armor upgrades being applied to non-weapon and armor types, like bracers of armor being able to accept armor upgrades other than just enhancement bonuses. I suppose the answer to number one falls under: For enhancements with options, such as bane weapons, you gain access to only the specific options you find in an adventure. Given that my preferred animal companion is a rhino with a single natural weapon, taking CMA&A and crafting the 3 natural weapon version seems like a waste...
TWG_Prometheus 01-31-08, 12:56 PM	If it's a Rhino, just use Greater Magic Fang on it. Works great.
Jay_Ibero_911 01-31-08, 02:00 PM	If it's a Rhino, just use Greater Magic Fang on it. Works great. Yeah, but GMF can't make his horn Holy.
copperwyrmling 02-01-08, 03:23 PM	There was an old thread about upgrading bracers with armor enhancements, which might be pertinent to questions (2) and (3). Here's the link to Britt's post on the topic: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?p=11551512&postcount=75
Jay_Ibero_911 02-01-08, 04:03 PM	There was an old thread about upgrading bracers with armor enhancements, which might be pertinent to questions (2) and (3). Here's the link to Britt's post on the topic: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?p=11551512&postcount=75 Well the rules for the necklace being upgraded as a weapon are contained in the item description itself, so access to the item is also access to the rules for upgrading it. So that clears up questions 2+3...I can add whatever I have access to by crafting...it just leaves question 1 kind of fuzzy because there's not really any comparable item examples to answer it with, but it seems likely I'd be stuck making the 3 weapon version...though I suppose I could just change to a different animal companion with that many natural weapons...Or hope I get access to align fang....