Is there official PHB2 Errata? [Archive] - Wizards Community

Is there official PHB2 Errata? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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myshkingfh
07-26-07, 01:53 PM I can't find one on the internets. Specifically, I wonder if the exclusion of diplomacy from the Knight's skill list is in error. Two of the quick start characters have diplomacy as one of their skills, making me think they didn't intend them to take the skill cross-class.

Or am I just a jackalope and Diplomacy is a class skill?
ShinAkuma2
07-26-07, 09:27 PM Diplomacy is not a class skill for the Knight. In fact, in the advancement section of the Knight, there's a sentence that outright states that Diplomacy is not a class skill, but they recommend it anyway, for whatever reason.
Banor
07-26-07, 10:00 PM They might add it in an Errata, after all they did for the scout with Disable Device, both situation appear very similar imo.
ShinAkuma2
07-26-07, 10:10 PM Not at all. They added Disable Device to Scout because it was an oversight; the class was meant to have it, since it has the Trapfinding class feature.

The Knight has no such reason to have Diplomacy as a class skill, and, like I said, there's a section that even mentions the lack of Diplomacy. They're aware of it, and it's meant to be that way.
Iswald
07-31-07, 09:01 AM Not at all. They added Disable Device to Scout because it was an oversight; the class was meant to have it, since it has the Trapfinding class feature.

Wrong answer. Scout had trapfinding so that they could find pits and other traps that might be found in the wilderness. They were not intended to be ubertrapfinders. Disable device as added because many players were confused and complained.
bitznarf
07-31-07, 10:12 AM Wrong answer. Scout had trapfinding so that they could find pits and other traps that might be found in the wilderness. They were not intended to be ubertrapfinders. Disable device as added because many players were confused and complained.
Finding pits and the like doesn't require the trapfinding class feature. Anything non magical and with a DC of 20 or lower can be found by anyone.
ShinAkuma2
07-31-07, 02:00 PM Disable device as added because many players were confused and complained.

That's an...interesting interpretation you've got there.

Why would they need Disable Device to find a pit trap, when Disabling a pit trap gives you an open pit? Pretty much any "wilderness trap" can be defeated without Disable Device.

Scouts may not be "uber trap finders", but they're at least as good as Rogues, should they choose to go that route, and there's no reason they shouldn't be.
Iswald
08-01-07, 09:38 AM That's an...interesting interpretation you've got there.

Why would they need Disable Device to find a pit trap, when Disabling a pit trap gives you an open pit? Pretty much any "wilderness trap" can be defeated without Disable Device.

Scouts may not be "uber trap finders", but they're at least as good as Rogues, should they choose to go that route, and there's no reason they shouldn't be.

Do a search of old posts if you disbelieve. :P Scouts weren't intended to be as good as rogues. The lack of disable device was not an oversight. Adding it was due to player dissatisfaction.
Lupo
08-01-07, 02:39 PM Do a search of old posts if you disbelieve. :P Scouts weren't intended to be as good as rogues. The lack of disable device was not an oversight. Adding it was due to player dissatisfaction.

yea, and druid plutonization was due to massive player complains about druids outrun ANY other character class ;) and then they publish things like the duskblade :P

i would love to see the D&D R&D team doing real errata work instead of this patchwork of silly monkey business ;)

ciao

martin m.

ps: has anyone noticed, the PHB II chapter Expanded Classes p. 41 has a nice LONGSPEAR for the druid alternative starting package BUT druids are not proficient with the longspear ;)
control freak
08-01-07, 05:02 PM they dont like errata, thats why they let you do it with "LOOK AT ME IM THE R&D!":rolleyes: :rofl:

in any event if they did that it would probably create more books and have annoying little things happen every time you reprint something
Timlagor
08-02-07, 04:04 AM They said they were going to start producing Errata Documents again... I haven't seen any evidence yet though.
Lupo
08-02-07, 09:11 AM They said they were going to start producing Errata Documents again... I haven't seen any evidence yet though.

call me thomas, i believe it when i see it :)

ciao

martin m.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
myshkingfh 07-26-07, 01:53 PM	I can't find one on the internets. Specifically, I wonder if the exclusion of diplomacy from the Knight's skill list is in error. Two of the quick start characters have diplomacy as one of their skills, making me think they didn't intend them to take the skill cross-class. Or am I just a jackalope and Diplomacy is a class skill?
ShinAkuma2 07-26-07, 09:27 PM	Diplomacy is not a class skill for the Knight. In fact, in the advancement section of the Knight, there's a sentence that outright states that Diplomacy is not a class skill, but they recommend it anyway, for whatever reason.
Banor 07-26-07, 10:00 PM	They might add it in an Errata, after all they did for the scout with Disable Device, both situation appear very similar imo.
ShinAkuma2 07-26-07, 10:10 PM	Not at all. They added Disable Device to Scout because it was an oversight; the class was meant to have it, since it has the Trapfinding class feature. The Knight has no such reason to have Diplomacy as a class skill, and, like I said, there's a section that even mentions the lack of Diplomacy. They're aware of it, and it's meant to be that way.
Iswald 07-31-07, 09:01 AM	Not at all. They added Disable Device to Scout because it was an oversight; the class was meant to have it, since it has the Trapfinding class feature. Wrong answer. Scout had trapfinding so that they could find pits and other traps that might be found in the wilderness. They were not intended to be ubertrapfinders. Disable device as added because many players were confused and complained.
bitznarf 07-31-07, 10:12 AM	Wrong answer. Scout had trapfinding so that they could find pits and other traps that might be found in the wilderness. They were not intended to be ubertrapfinders. Disable device as added because many players were confused and complained. Finding pits and the like doesn't require the trapfinding class feature. Anything non magical and with a DC of 20 or lower can be found by anyone.
ShinAkuma2 07-31-07, 02:00 PM	Disable device as added because many players were confused and complained. That's an...interesting interpretation you've got there. Why would they need Disable Device to find a pit trap, when Disabling a pit trap gives you an open pit? Pretty much any "wilderness trap" can be defeated without Disable Device. Scouts may not be "uber trap finders", but they're at least as good as Rogues, should they choose to go that route, and there's no reason they shouldn't be.
Iswald 08-01-07, 09:38 AM	That's an...interesting interpretation you've got there. Why would they need Disable Device to find a pit trap, when Disabling a pit trap gives you an open pit? Pretty much any "wilderness trap" can be defeated without Disable Device. Scouts may not be "uber trap finders", but they're at least as good as Rogues, should they choose to go that route, and there's no reason they shouldn't be. Do a search of old posts if you disbelieve. :P Scouts weren't intended to be as good as rogues. The lack of disable device was not an oversight. Adding it was due to player dissatisfaction.
Lupo 08-01-07, 02:39 PM	Do a search of old posts if you disbelieve. :P Scouts weren't intended to be as good as rogues. The lack of disable device was not an oversight. Adding it was due to player dissatisfaction. yea, and druid plutonization was due to massive player complains about druids outrun ANY other character class ;) and then they publish things like the duskblade :P i would love to see the D&D R&D team doing real errata work instead of this patchwork of silly monkey business ;) ciao martin m. ps: has anyone noticed, the PHB II chapter Expanded Classes p. 41 has a nice LONGSPEAR for the druid alternative starting package BUT druids are not proficient with the longspear ;)
control freak 08-01-07, 05:02 PM	they dont like errata, thats why they let you do it with "LOOK AT ME IM THE R&D!":rolleyes: :rofl: in any event if they did that it would probably create more books and have annoying little things happen every time you reprint something
Timlagor 08-02-07, 04:04 AM	They said they were going to start producing Errata Documents again... I haven't seen any evidence yet though.
Lupo 08-02-07, 09:11 AM	They said they were going to start producing Errata Documents again... I haven't seen any evidence yet though. call me thomas, i believe it when i see it :) ciao martin m.