LGCS 597 draft Table Analysis: Open Base Classes [Archive] - Wizards Community

LGCS 597 draft Table Analysis: Open Base Classes [Archive] - Wizards Community

Post/Author/DateTime Post
kjenks
02-08-07, 02:23 PM Like many of you, I'm going through the document to figure out what changed. Here's what changed in the Open Base Classes access rules.

Added:

Beguiler (PH2)
Healer (MH)
Knight (PH2)
kenobi65
02-08-07, 02:42 PM And, possibly, the NPC classes from the DMG, depending on how this clarification/discussion works out:
http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=11427595&postcount=398
kjenks
02-08-07, 02:53 PM Adding Adept as an allowable base class would clarify the Limited Wish for Heal issue.
jstorrie
02-08-07, 03:12 PM All three of these base-classes are well-balanced and none require much additional paperwork or rules items, so I feel this is a pretty safe set of additions. I do worry somewhat that new players may pick healers instead of clerics - as single-classed, they are significantly weaker - but none are at all broken.
ranagrande
02-08-07, 03:17 PM I was looking at that, and I think a Healer could make an excellent cohort.
Timlagor
02-08-07, 03:18 PM Can you think of any way to make Healers not significantly weaker? (or were you referring to gestalt?)
It's truly sad that Healers aren't even as good at healing as clerics.
jstorrie
02-08-07, 03:33 PM Well, at some point your Healer cohort would have a Unicorn pal... two cohorts for the price of one? Maybe you could give him a Beastmaster level, too, heh...
ranagrande
02-08-07, 03:36 PM That's what I was thinking. :P

Although sadly, Beastmaster probably doesn't work, since the Unicorn isn't an animal companion.
Jay_Ibero_911
02-08-07, 03:50 PM A 14th level character with a 12th level healer cohort, the cohort could have a Lammasu companion, which casts as a 7th level cleric. Not too shabby. It would be a good idea to make a healer cohort with the spontaneous healer feat and max possible wisdom too. Give them a little versatility.
LachlarlanIII
02-09-07, 05:29 PM Hmm... I don't know if allowing the NPC classes is such a good idea.

I'm not sure what would happen if someone showed up at a con somewhere with a 6th level Commoner with Leaderships whose cohort is also a Commoner... :eek:

Probably much yelling followed by a Benny Hill-esque chase scene :D
mqstout
02-11-07, 02:44 PM Well, of NPC classes: Warrior is the only other class than Fighter that is proficient in tower shields. It's not a good thing to do compared to the fighter, but it's there.
indar
02-11-07, 07:06 PM Hmm... I don't know if allowing the NPC classes is such a good idea.

I'm not sure what would happen if someone showed up at a con somewhere with a 6th level Commoner with Leaderships whose cohort is also a Commoner... :eek:

Probably much yelling followed by a Benny Hill-esque chase scene :D

I know somebody who is curious how long a straight commoner would last in LG and may test it.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
kjenks 02-08-07, 02:23 PM	Like many of you, I'm going through the document to figure out what changed. Here's what changed in the Open Base Classes access rules. Added: Beguiler (PH2) Healer (MH) Knight (PH2)
kenobi65 02-08-07, 02:42 PM	And, possibly, the NPC classes from the DMG, depending on how this clarification/discussion works out: http://boards1.wizards.com/showpost.php?p=11427595&postcount=398
kjenks 02-08-07, 02:53 PM	Adding Adept as an allowable base class would clarify the Limited Wish for Heal issue.
jstorrie 02-08-07, 03:12 PM	All three of these base-classes are well-balanced and none require much additional paperwork or rules items, so I feel this is a pretty safe set of additions. I do worry somewhat that new players may pick healers instead of clerics - as single-classed, they are significantly weaker - but none are at all broken.
ranagrande 02-08-07, 03:17 PM	I was looking at that, and I think a Healer could make an excellent cohort.
Timlagor 02-08-07, 03:18 PM	Can you think of any way to make Healers not significantly weaker? (or were you referring to gestalt?) It's truly sad that Healers aren't even as good at healing as clerics.
jstorrie 02-08-07, 03:33 PM	Well, at some point your Healer cohort would have a Unicorn pal... two cohorts for the price of one? Maybe you could give him a Beastmaster level, too, heh...
ranagrande 02-08-07, 03:36 PM	That's what I was thinking. :P Although sadly, Beastmaster probably doesn't work, since the Unicorn isn't an animal companion.
Jay_Ibero_911 02-08-07, 03:50 PM	A 14th level character with a 12th level healer cohort, the cohort could have a Lammasu companion, which casts as a 7th level cleric. Not too shabby. It would be a good idea to make a healer cohort with the spontaneous healer feat and max possible wisdom too. Give them a little versatility.
LachlarlanIII 02-09-07, 05:29 PM	Hmm... I don't know if allowing the NPC classes is such a good idea. I'm not sure what would happen if someone showed up at a con somewhere with a 6th level Commoner with Leaderships whose cohort is also a Commoner... :eek: Probably much yelling followed by a Benny Hill-esque chase scene :D
mqstout 02-11-07, 02:44 PM	Well, of NPC classes: Warrior is the only other class than Fighter that is proficient in tower shields. It's not a good thing to do compared to the fighter, but it's there.
indar 02-11-07, 07:06 PM	Hmm... I don't know if allowing the NPC classes is such a good idea. I'm not sure what would happen if someone showed up at a con somewhere with a 6th level Commoner with Leaderships whose cohort is also a Commoner... :eek: Probably much yelling followed by a Benny Hill-esque chase scene :D I know somebody who is curious how long a straight commoner would last in LG and may test it.