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clannagh 07-12-07, 12:48 AM	this came up last night when a sorceror buys a scroll from an AR favor that is not core he can use the scroll to add the spell at his next level but can he cast the spell directly from that scroll instead if he hasnt yet levelled and added it to his spells known
Howie23 07-12-07, 12:57 AM	this came up last night when a sorceror buys a scroll from an AR favor that is not core he can use the scroll to add the spell at his next level but can he cast the spell directly from that scroll instead if he hasnt yet levelled and added it to his spells known Yes. A sorcerer isn't limited to the spells on his known list for casting from scrolls. He can use scrolls from the entire sorcerer/wizard list. He does have to be able to decipher the scroll first, which is why it's so important for sorcerers to have read magic; they can't generally invest the ranks in Spellcraft to do it that way reliably. David
copper_wyrmling 07-12-07, 10:34 AM	Yes. A sorcerer isn't limited to the spells on his known list for casting from scrolls. He can use scrolls from the entire sorcerer/wizard list. He does have to be able to decipher the scroll first, which is why it's so important for sorcerers to have read magic; they can't generally invest the ranks in Spellcraft to do it that way reliably. David However, if he only has one copy of the scroll, reading it will expend it and he will then lose access - he must keep the scroll until he actually levels in order to add it to his spells-known list. (Incidentally, both my sorcs tend to use spellcraft to decipher scrolls, although the L12 one has UMD for anything that take-10 = 34 spellcraft is insufficient for (she doesn't even have max ranks), and the L5 one knows read magic as a backup for the tougher scrolls since she's only at +12 spellcraft. Then again, I'm an advocate of Int 14 for most sorcerers: skills are good.)
kjenks 07-12-07, 11:05 AM	However, if he only has one copy of the scroll, reading it will expend it and he will then lose access - he must keep the scroll until he actually levels in order to add it to his spells-known list. That's not what the LGCS+Dispel Confusion rules say on this topic. Dispel Confusion Vol. 2, No. 3 http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=lg/lgif/20060921a === Q: If I find a spell in a spellbook, on a scroll, or in some other written form, do I have access to it? A: If you find a spell on your spell list in a written item, once you purchase that item, you now have access to the spell. For example, if a sorcerer finds and purchases a spellbook with the spell snake’s swiftness in it, he may choose to learn the spell at his next available and valid opportunity. If there’s any question as to whether the spell is actually written on or in the purchasable item, it is not valid for this type of access. Valid examples include scrolls, spellbooks, tablets, and notes. === This rule does not state or imply that "reading [the scroll] will expend it and he will then lose access - he must keep the scroll until he actually levels in order to add it to his spells-known list." It appears that you can purchase the item then use it or sell it and you still have access to the spell.
Howie23 07-12-07, 01:45 PM	That's not what the LGCS+Dispel Confusion rules say on this topic. Dispel Confusion Vol. 2, No. 3 http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=lg/lgif/20060921a === Q: If I find a spell in a spellbook, on a scroll, or in some other written form, do I have access to it? A: If you find a spell on your spell list in a written item, once you purchase that item, you now have access to the spell. For example, if a sorcerer finds and purchases a spellbook with the spell snake’s swiftness in it, he may choose to learn the spell at his next available and valid opportunity. If there’s any question as to whether the spell is actually written on or in the purchasable item, it is not valid for this type of access. Valid examples include scrolls, spellbooks, tablets, and notes. === This rule does not state or imply that "reading [the scroll] will expend it and he will then lose access - he must keep the scroll until he actually levels in order to add it to his spells-known list." It appears that you can purchase the item then use it or sell it and you still have access to the spell. From the same source, a couple of questions down: Dispel Confusion Vol. 2, No. 3 http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=lg/lgif/20060921a Q: I understand now that I can get access to spells from written items. What happens if I lose the item, sell the item, or it is destroyed? A: It depends on the spellcasting character’s class. Wizards and other spellcasters that prepare spells from a spellbook lose access to the spell, unless the spell has already been scribed into another written source, such as a spellbook. Clerics, druids, and other divine casters that prepare from a list do not lose access – once they’ve found and purchased the item, it is considered a known spell for purposes of preparing spells. Sorcerers, bards, and other arcane casters that spontaneously cast spells must have already added the spell to their list of spells known in order to continue to use the spell; otherwise, they lose access, and cannot add the spell unless they find access again. Emphasis added. David