Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Zanzibax 05-30-07, 10:09 AM	Can a monk make a number of melee touch attacks equal to the number of attacks he could make if they were melee attacks? (Flurry, and what-not) Why or why not? ...imagine something like he's under a Resistance to Fire effect and pouring Alchemists' Fire on his "weapon"...if you need a reason *why*
_metz_ 05-30-07, 11:24 AM	If they were delivering via a melee attack (e.g: as you can with an inflict) then as long as you didn't run out of 'charged' whatever it was that was you were effected by, I don't see any rules reason why you wouldn't be able to. Hence I am leaning with yes - through the exclusion of any "why nots"
bitznarf 05-30-07, 11:47 AM	You can use your Flurry BaB progression to initiate grapple attempts, something that starts with a melee touch attempt, so I see no reason to deny a Flurry of Touches.
Maesto 05-30-07, 12:09 PM	Chill touch is the best example of why you might want to do this... I think it's been FAQed that yes, you can make as many touches as you have attacks available.
Timlagor 05-30-07, 12:50 PM	Yes you can -largely because there's nothing to say you can't.
amnuxoll 05-30-07, 04:19 PM	The rules seem to support this. My enlightened fist does this from time to time. I've never had anyone object to it. It's certainly not broken given that I'm playing a 7th level character whose BAB is 2. :eek: :AMN:
smerwin29 05-30-07, 07:28 PM	The rules seem to support this. My enlightened fist does this from time to time. I've never had anyone object to it. It's certainly not broken given that I'm playing a 7th level character whose BAB is 2. :eek: :AMN: Yep. I've only had one judge not allow me to flurry with touch attacks. He said, "Touch attacks aren't a monk weapon." I pointed out the rule that lets a monk flurry grapples. He got angry with me and suddenly starting hitting AC 41 at APL 8 far too often. I let it drop. :D Shawn
Howie23 05-30-07, 08:22 PM	Yep. I've only had one judge not allow me to flurry with touch attacks. He said, "Touch attacks aren't a monk weapon." I pointed out the rule that lets a monk flurry grapples. That would be the FAQ that allows substitution attacks in a flurry as long as you are using special monk weapons? David
Southernskies 05-31-07, 05:09 AM	The rules themselves under "Touch Spells in Combat: Holdng the Charge" PHB pg141-142 make it easy to decide. ...is considered to be an armed attack... ...you can continue to make touch attacks round after round... ...you may make a normal unarmed attack (or an attack with a natural weapon) while holding a charge... ...If the attack hits, you deal normal damage for your unarmed attack or natural weapon and the spell discharges. The only variation would be a (very silly) GM allowing a caster to use their "armed attack" from a spell to start a grapple (which is still a touch attack, but not an attack meant to discharge a spell or cause damage on its own).
Zanzibax 06-03-07, 05:41 PM	You can use your Flurry BaB progression to initiate grapple attempts, something that starts with a melee touch attempt, so I see no reason to deny a Flurry of Touches. Where is that rule?
Zanzibax 06-03-07, 05:42 PM	That would be the FAQ that allows substitution attacks in a flurry as long as you are using special monk weapons? David Where is this FAQ?
Zanzibax 06-03-07, 05:43 PM	Chill touch is the best example of why you might want to do this... I think it's been FAQed that yes, you can make as many touches as you have attacks available. I need a citation or I can't use it.
Zanzibax 06-03-07, 07:49 PM	Chill touch is the best example of why you might want to do this... I think it's been FAQed that yes, you can make as many touches as you have attacks available. The only FAQ I can find says this: D&D® Frequently Asked Questions Version 3.5: Date Updated 05/18/07 Can a monk get her unarmed strike enhanced as a magic weapon? No. Even a magic gauntlet or spiked gauntlet isn’t the ideal answer, since these aren’t listed as special monk weapons (and therefore aren’t as versatile as unarmed strikes). The amulet of mighty fists (Dungeon Master’s Guide, 246) grants the wearer an enhancement bonus on unarmed and natural weapon attacks, which would include the monk’s unarmed strike. ======================= Which directly contradicts the rules in the Player's Handbook (example from the SRD) A monk’s unarmed strike is treated both as a manufactured weapon and a natural weapon for the purpose of spells and effects that enhance or improve either manufactured weapons or natural weapons. http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/monk.htm#unarmedStrike Apparently that FAQ overrules the core rules for Living Greyhawk.
awroe 06-04-07, 03:39 AM	for the purpose of spells and effects Spells and effects != Magical enhancements using Craft feats So you can cast spells like Magic Weapon / Magic Fang, just can't use CMAA on your fists.
Howie23 06-04-07, 01:45 PM	Where is this FAQ? I take it that you found it, given that you quoted from it a couple of hours later (the document, not the specific entry). David