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Wraith235 09-08-07, 07:31 PM	ok ... so Metamagic Rod's state they are use activated in the definition of "Use Activation" You simply use this type of item to activate it (for example, drinking a potion, swinging a sword, wearing armor, looking through a lens, sprinkling dust, or donning a hat). As noted in Part One, most protective items, and items that give you some sort of bonus on attacks, saves, or checks, are use-activated items. Unless stated otherwise (and as stated in the Dungeon Master's Guide), activating a use-activated item is either a standard action or not an action at all and does not provoke attacks of opportunity, unless the use involves performing an action that provokes an attack of opportunity in itself. For example, a magic bow requires you to make a ranged attack, so you provoke an attack of opportunity when you make the ranged attack. If the use of the item takes time before a magical effect occurs, then use activation is a standard action. If the item's activation is subsumed in its use and takes no extra time, use activation is not an action at all. Use activation doesn't mean that you automatically know what an item can do if you use it. You must know (or at least guess) what the item can do and then use the item to activate it. Sometimes, the item activates automatically when you use it, such as when you drink a potion or swing a sword. In such cases, you can benefit from the item without even knowing it. Sometimes, you must attempt something specific to benefit from a use-activated item. For example, if you wear gloves ofarrow snaring, you can snatch arrows twice a day. You don't use an action to snatch the arrows, but unless you actually try to snatch an arrow the gloves don't work. the Key Paragraph is this activating a use-activated item is either a standard action or not an action at all and does not provoke attacks of opportunity, unless the use involves performing an action that provokes an attack of opportunity in itself. For example, a magic bow requires you to make a ranged attack, so you provoke an attack of opportunity when you make the ranged attack. Metamagic Rods State the Following Possession of a metamagic rod does not confer the associated feat on the owner, only the ability to use the given feat a specified number of times per day. A sorcerer still must take a full-round action when using a metamagic rod, just as if using a metamagic feat he possesses. now ... this Character is a Wizard (not a sorcerer) so when it says Possession Does this mean that that it Falls under the No action at all in Reguards to using the Rod to apply the Metamagic Feat to the Spell (Still provoking the attack of opportunity as normal) this is mainly a question to be used in conjunction with Swift spells
Timlagor 09-08-07, 09:00 PM	it's not an action at all. it's part of casting the spell. For a spontaneous caster it still increases the casting time but not for a wizard.
Wraith235 09-08-07, 10:21 PM	ya ... the assumption was it was for a wizard .... Spontanious casters and MM Rods is easy tho I admit for Swift Spells it makes no sense whatsoever but its hard coded in the mechanics
Hariman 09-08-07, 11:27 PM	ya ... the assumption was it was for a wizard .... Spontanious casters and MM Rods is easy tho I admit for Swift Spells it makes no sense whatsoever but its hard coded in the mechanics So, if I'm reading this correctly: A character could draw a metamagic rod of empower (for example), cast a standard action spell and empower it using the rod, then cast a quickened spell using the same rod and empower the quickened spell as well. Cool.
Wraith235 09-08-07, 11:43 PM	Source: Living_Greyhawk Message #55115, October 29th, 2003 If you apply a meta-magic feat to a spell and the increase in level of that spell takes it above what you can use a metamgic rod on then you cannot use it. Example: If you used empower spell on a fireball it would bump it up so that it would require a 5th level spell slot to cast it. Thus you could not use a Metamagic, Silent, lesser Rod on the spell as it only works on spells of 3rd level or less. You could use empower spell on a magic missile as it would only raise it to require a 3rd level spell slot to cast and thus would fall in the range of the lesser Rod of Silence. this was on the Sultanate of Zief page so I honestly dont know .... this statement eliminates lesser Metamagic rods of quicken simply because of the level adjustment of the spell .... dunno if LG Still stands by this (it was 2003 when this came out)
Howie23 09-09-07, 12:21 AM	Source: Living_Greyhawk Message #55115, October 29th, 2003 If you apply a meta-magic feat to a spell and the increase in level of that spell takes it above what you can use a metamgic rod on then you cannot use it. Example: If you used empower spell on a fireball it would bump it up so that it would require a 5th level spell slot to cast it. Thus you could not use a Metamagic, Silent, lesser Rod on the spell as it only works on spells of 3rd level or less. You could use empower spell on a magic missile as it would only raise it to require a 3rd level spell slot to cast and thus would fall in the range of the lesser Rod of Silence. this was on the Sultanate of Zief page so I honestly dont know .... this statement eliminates lesser Metamagic rods of quicken simply because of the level adjustment of the spell .... dunno if LG Still stands by this (it was 2003 when this came out) No it doesn't. You're misunderstanding the problem. Magic missile is first level. You can prepare it (without a rod) such that it requires a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd level slot (a 0 bump, 1 level bump, or 2 level bump), and then use the rod of quicken just fine. It is only if you prepped magic missile to 4+ that you would then have a problem using a lesser rod on the spell.