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_m_ 02-11-07, 11:46 PM	Examples: Plane shifting a character who has no means of escaping said plane, in order to save them. Killing a fellow pc with a thinuan weapon, because next round they were getting eaten by a bhargest. Beating unconcious a player who, for roleplaying necesities (ie. paladins with class requirements) will cause a tpk. Knocking out a dominated character. Killing a player in an area effect spell because if the spell didnt go off, the party would have died. my point is, not every action that harms a pc is a 'character sheets torn up' kind of moment. discuss.
solbergb 02-11-07, 11:52 PM	Where I play, and most places I've traveled to the rule is very simple. If the player of the PC consents to the violence, then it is ok and depending on circumstances may not be an Evil Act. (indeed, most consentual PVP is not an evil act, or is done to PREVENT an evil act) Yes this can include killing a PC - we did that at one table to prevent it from being turned into a chaos beast, but luckily we had a round of sanity from the Character in question to get his permission, so it was more of a suicide. Usually it is expected that you'll use minimum force, but some pc's are pretty tough and if they're about to do something worse, or undergo something worse, drastic measures may be encouraged by the Player, although his character might not be so happy with it. If you have an effective nonlethal option it is expected that you'll use it. If for some reason your only effective option is lethal (eg, a wizard with no nonlethal spell options left today or chaos beast transformation or the bhargest thing or a 1 con character about to be attacked by the dread wraith and the party really can't handle a second dread wraith springing to life a few rounds later..) and victim player accepts it, that might also be ok. Non-consentual PVP is what gets your character removed. However it is left as an option because some action may come up that if the character "lets it slide" he's ruined as a character anyway - the conception doesn't allow it. so he takes his action, and becomes an NPC, run by the Judge.