Post/Author/DateTime	Post
jstorrie 11-08-06, 03:50 PM	Which LG-legal spells, aside from Sleep, Deep Slumber, and Hold Person/Hold Monster, cause paralysis or an otherwise helpless (but not dead) condition?
_m_ 11-08-06, 05:45 PM	Which LG-legal spells, aside from Sleep, Deep Slumber, and Hold Person/Hold Monster, cause paralysis or an otherwise helpless (but not dead) condition? exactly how paralised are you after? do they specifically have to be paralysis, or can a spell that removes the creature from the combat as a threat be listed.
jstorrie 11-08-06, 05:58 PM	Anything that causes a condition that counts as 'helpless' - so paralysed and asleep, definitely, and any others that also count as helpless.
_m_ 11-08-06, 06:07 PM	Anything that causes a condition that counts as 'helpless' - so paralysed and asleep, definitely, and any others that also count as helpless. so, flesh to stone dosent fit? do you just specifically want them unable to do anything, or is there some special reason you want the 'helpless' condition?
jstorrie 11-08-06, 06:16 PM	You can't CDG someone who's petrified.
_m_ 11-08-06, 06:44 PM	You can't CDG someone who's petrified. so? you dont need to. so you're specifically after 'helpless' just so you can cdg them. i thouhgt u might want them to live...
Jay_Ibero_911 11-08-06, 07:29 PM	Ghoul Touch is another spell that can do that...
Gwumph 11-09-06, 03:34 AM	I don't know!! One could argue that smashing off the head of a stone statue could be considered a CDG.
_m_ 11-09-06, 05:57 AM	the reason i asked, is that a slept or held person is as combat effective as a person who has been: stone to flesh otilukes resiliant sphere wall of forced around, or force caged balefull polymorphed dominated what i mean is, theres a lot of spells that will take a monster out of combat without the need for cdg, which frankly isnt that impressive a way to use your turn.
Lomiat 11-09-06, 06:59 AM	Dragon Breath has both Paralysis and Sleep effects. Meanwhile, M, it's important to note the difference between "helpless" and "unable to affect combat." Helpless = Coup de Grace with Vampiric Touch = Lots of fun Temporary Hit Points.
Japangirl 11-09-06, 06:24 PM	Flesh to Stone also stones all their gear. MUST NOT KILL THE LOOT!
_m_ 11-09-06, 10:16 PM	Dragon Breath has both Paralysis and Sleep effects. Meanwhile, M, it's important to note the difference between "helpless" and "unable to affect combat." Helpless = Coup de Grace with Vampiric Touch = Lots of fun Temporary Hit Points. *grinds teeth* its l o w e r c a s e m. ammusingly enough, everytime some uses M, my signiature (which specifically says not to) somehow dissapears... without me turning it off... just to bug me!
DuctShuiTengu 11-09-06, 10:31 PM	*grinds teeth* its l o w e r c a s e m. ammusingly enough, everytime some uses M, my signiature (which specifically says not to) somehow dissapears... without me turning it off... just to bug me! There's a very simple explanation for this. :teach: It's smarter than the rest of us and knows to :hides: so that it doesn't :ghosted: in case you :headexplo instead of just :rant: over someone capitalizing your initial. Meanwhile, the rest of us are all :whatsthis and will be :shocked: and :gah: when you stop :tantrum: and just http://pissedoffgamers.com/forums/images/smiles/_stab_.gif instead. But by then, there will be no time to :help: and we'll all have to :surrender so you don't http://pissedoffgamers.com/forums/images/smiles/trout.gif us for it. :tiphat: Completely non-factual explanations for your everyday forum glitches. Now with more needless emoticons. (Yes, I'm that bored.) We now return you to your regularly scheduled rules discussion.
Lomiat 11-09-06, 10:35 PM	*grinds teeth* its l o w e r c a s e m. ammusingly enough, everytime some uses M, my signiature (which specifically says not to) somehow dissapears... without me turning it off... just to bug me! mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... Yes, it did, didn't it? My mistake. That's the counter-productive result of 19 years of education directly ingraining into the fiber of my very being that names were meant to be capitalized. Or... wait! Are you related to e.e. cummings?
_m_ 11-10-06, 12:16 AM	mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... Yes, it did, didn't it? My mistake. That's the counter-productive result of 19 years of education directly ingraining into the fiber of my very being that names were meant to be capitalized. Or... wait! Are you related to e.e. cummings? hmmm... and what does your 19 years of education say to... oh i dont know... midgets throwing fireballs? giant dragon s polymorphed into rabits... d&d in fact? *grin* and nice emoticoning duct.
Lomiat 11-11-06, 02:43 AM	hmmm... and what does your 19 years of education say to... oh i dont know... midgets throwing fireballs? giant dragon s polymorphed into rabits... d&d in fact? *grin* and nice emoticoning duct. 1) Midgets throwing fireballs: This is a classical image stemming back to an origin in Greek mythology, wherein Prometheus steals fire from the gods. The tale brings to mind the themes of imagination, invention, knowledge, and power--and how they intertwine. Also--Reflex save! 2) Giant dragons polymorphed into rabbits: Scholars are still debating this one. One school of thought, led by the intrepid Dr. E. M. Winthrop of Dulls University, maintains that the dragon polymorphed *itself* into a rabbit, perhaps as a disguise; however, as much as this brings into question much of the traditional theory, currently championed by its most vocal supporter, Dr. T.R.W. Oliver, this "new self-polymorphing dragon" theory notably fails to address "why" the dragon might have polymorphed, a concern more than adequately addressed by the traditionalists' "It was a BALEFUL POLYMORPH, STUPID!" long-lived argument. Dr. T.R.W. Oliver, of course, is always eager to bring up Occam's Razor, suggesting that the simplest response is almost always the best response. (Except when your tenure is under review. -Ed.)
_m_ 11-12-06, 07:41 AM	methinks.... mehead hurts :D and as for the simplest solution... im pretty sure its called 'fireball'.