praticed spell caster and crafting feats [Archive] - Wizards Community

praticed spell caster and crafting feats [Archive] - Wizards Community

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ornsjach
10-11-07, 08:06 PM would the +to caster lvl from praticed spell caster count toward required caster lvl for craft feats and crafting?

example
lvl1 wiz practiced spell caster
lvl2 wiz
lvl3 wiz CWI
lvl4 fighter
lvl5 fighter
lvl6 fighter Create magical arms and armor
bitznarf
10-11-07, 10:47 PM I do believe that the FAQ tells us that it does not. Those feats require *spellcaster* level X, not caster level X, and are referring to actual levels in spellcasting classes. Thus they are not impacted by things like Practised Spellcaster and the Wild Magic class feature from Wild Mage.
Mommy was an Orc
10-12-07, 08:21 AM I do believe that the FAQ tells us that it does not. Those feats require *spellcaster* level X, not caster level X, and are referring to actual levels in spellcasting classes. Thus they are not impacted by things like Practised Spellcaster and the Wild Magic class feature from Wild Mage.

That's not how it works. Caster level and Spellcaster level are two different things. Caster level is what effective level you cast spells at. Complete Arcane actually spells this out on page 72. Spellcaster level is how many levels in a particular class you have and doesn't actually apply to anything as nothing uses that terminology.

But what they apparently meant was that when books such as Complete Arcane say 'Arcane caster level X', they mean how many levels you have in an arcane caster class. When they say 'caster level X', they mean what's your effective caster level. So you could use Practiced Spellcaster to qualify for Acolyte of the Skin(according to CustServ when I asked for clarification of the FAQ), but not Daggerspell Mage(the actual example used in the Sage Advice column, but excised from the FAQ)
Timlagor
10-12-07, 01:32 PM Unless they have changed the wording int he FAQ it doesn't actually apply to any PrC that currently exists as written ..though the intent is clear.
ornsjach
10-12-07, 02:04 PM the PHB has the prerequest as "caster lvl 3rd" & "caster lvl 5th"
Howie23
10-12-07, 04:33 PM would the +to caster lvl from praticed spell caster count toward required caster lvl for craft feats and crafting?

The feats have the prerequisite of "caster level x" (not spellcaster level x). The mechanics of Practiced Spellcaster is to increase caster level. So, Practiced Spellcaster works for both taking the feat and for those items that have caster level as a prerequisite. (edit: Heroforge identifies them as Spellcaster level x; the core books don't)

The confusion comes about because the text of Practiced Spellcaster seems like it should apply only to casting spells, but the mechanics listed to get there are broader in application.

That said, if an FAQ ruling came down that prohibitted Practiced Spellcaster from assisting with crafting or other non-spellcasting applications of CL, I wouldn't be surprised. For now, it works.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
ornsjach 10-11-07, 08:06 PM	would the +to caster lvl from praticed spell caster count toward required caster lvl for craft feats and crafting? example lvl1 wiz practiced spell caster lvl2 wiz lvl3 wiz CWI lvl4 fighter lvl5 fighter lvl6 fighter Create magical arms and armor
bitznarf 10-11-07, 10:47 PM	I do believe that the FAQ tells us that it does not. Those feats require spellcaster level X, not caster level X, and are referring to actual levels in spellcasting classes. Thus they are not impacted by things like Practised Spellcaster and the Wild Magic class feature from Wild Mage.
Mommy was an Orc 10-12-07, 08:21 AM	I do believe that the FAQ tells us that it does not. Those feats require spellcaster level X, not caster level X, and are referring to actual levels in spellcasting classes. Thus they are not impacted by things like Practised Spellcaster and the Wild Magic class feature from Wild Mage. That's not how it works. Caster level and Spellcaster level are two different things. Caster level is what effective level you cast spells at. Complete Arcane actually spells this out on page 72. Spellcaster level is how many levels in a particular class you have and doesn't actually apply to anything as nothing uses that terminology. But what they apparently meant was that when books such as Complete Arcane say 'Arcane caster level X', they mean how many levels you have in an arcane caster class. When they say 'caster level X', they mean what's your effective caster level. So you could use Practiced Spellcaster to qualify for Acolyte of the Skin(according to CustServ when I asked for clarification of the FAQ), but not Daggerspell Mage(the actual example used in the Sage Advice column, but excised from the FAQ)
Timlagor 10-12-07, 01:32 PM	Unless they have changed the wording int he FAQ it doesn't actually apply to any PrC that currently exists as written ..though the intent is clear.
ornsjach 10-12-07, 02:04 PM	the PHB has the prerequest as "caster lvl 3rd" & "caster lvl 5th"
Howie23 10-12-07, 04:33 PM	would the +to caster lvl from praticed spell caster count toward required caster lvl for craft feats and crafting? The feats have the prerequisite of "caster level x" (not spellcaster level x). The mechanics of Practiced Spellcaster is to increase caster level. So, Practiced Spellcaster works for both taking the feat and for those items that have caster level as a prerequisite. (edit: Heroforge identifies them as Spellcaster level x; the core books don't) The confusion comes about because the text of Practiced Spellcaster seems like it should apply only to casting spells, but the mechanics listed to get there are broader in application. That said, if an FAQ ruling came down that prohibitted Practiced Spellcaster from assisting with crafting or other non-spellcasting applications of CL, I wouldn't be surprised. For now, it works.