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ARlife 11-25-06, 05:44 PM	This is just like the topic says, except I am referring to the 2 nonarrow "pockets" in the quiver. What can be put into the "javelin" section? Is a Longsword an equivalent size of a javelin? What about the Bow section? The DMG isn't that clear. Sorry if I'm acting like a noob about this..
Arvagor 11-25-06, 05:56 PM	Since the text of the item says, "the quiver can produce any item she wishes, as if from a regular quiver or scabbard", I have always assumed and ruled that anything that would normally go in a scabbard can also be stored in one. So most swords, daggers, rapiers, etc., but items with large, generally non-straight blades (axes, halbards, glaives, etc.), cannot be put in one...
solbergb 11-26-06, 10:28 AM	The answer is "whatever the judge thiniks". My own metric uses the actual size of bows/javelins/arrows in the PHB drawings (that have handy grids showing feet/inches). Bow slots are flat, fairly wide, quite tall (since they can hold strung or untrung bows...note that composite bows NEVER go "straight" even when unstrung). Javelin slots are mostly just a bit longer than arrow slots..the fletching on arrows makes up for the narrower shaft and arrow slots are quite long, actually. Neither javelin nor arrow slots are very wide or deep though. If you have some rationale for how you stick things in the quiver you will rarely be asked what your method is, so it will usually work. Just be sure to have a plan when the judge disagres...or when you enter a extradimensional space that is defined as messing up storage devices (I've had that happen a few times and had to carry everything in my backpack or whatever).
_m_ 11-26-06, 07:46 PM	The answer is "whatever the judge thiniks". My own metric uses the actual size of bows/javelins/arrows in the PHB drawings (that have handy grids showing feet/inches). Bow slots are flat, fairly wide, quite tall (since they can hold strung or untrung bows...note that composite bows NEVER go "straight" even when unstrung). Javelin slots are mostly just a bit longer than arrow slots..the fletching on arrows makes up for the narrower shaft and arrow slots are quite long, actually. Neither javelin nor arrow slots are very wide or deep though. If you have some rationale for how you stick things in the quiver you will rarely be asked what your method is, so it will usually work. Just be sure to have a plan when the judge disagres...or when you enter a extradimensional space that is defined as messing up storage devices (I've had that happen a few times and had to carry everything in my backpack or whatever). i dont think the exact technical length or width of the weapons really matters, given that the quiver is somewhat... magical. as long as the items are the right shape (ie, not seige ladders or bowling balls) then it should be ok.
Japangirl 11-27-06, 08:45 PM	Small size daggers the size of normal arrowheads! With strings attached so you can pull them out of the quiver. Yes, I know it probably doesn't work. I still want to do that. 60 daggers is a good number.
_m_ 11-27-06, 09:18 PM	Small size daggers the size of normal arrowheads! With strings attached so you can pull them out of the quiver. Yes, I know it probably doesn't work. I still want to do that. 60 daggers is a good number. you could always use small javelins. like, small daggers, with bits of wood attached :D
Japangirl 11-27-06, 10:41 PM	It has to be daggers, or there wouldn't be a problem and I'd just use javelins. Invisible Blade sneak attack only works with daggers, and that is 3d6 of damage I am loath to give up.
_m_ 11-27-06, 10:43 PM	It has to be daggers, or there wouldn't be a problem and I'd just use javelins. Invisible Blade sneak attack only works with daggers, and that is 3d6 of damage I am loath to give up. you could put a whole weapon rack full of daggers in a handy haversack. that might work.
Japangirl 11-27-06, 10:51 PM	I need something faster than a move action to retrieve. I'll have Quick Draw at 15, and I want to make the best use of it that I can.
kegdrainer 11-28-06, 09:19 PM	While I would also like to see a list of items that are allowed, I believe that the Quiver is more of an old AD&D joke. 1st edition AD&D Wizards tended to have a lot of rods/staves/wands in their inventory and would need a golf bag to carry them all. (Bored Flak from the Fineous Fingers series comes to mind)
Sutro 11-28-06, 10:06 PM	I wouldn't carry anything in it that's not specified exactly by the rules, as all the discussions I've been privy to have indicated the dreaded "table variance". As it's a quiver, acts as a quiver and is thus discounted from a bag of holding or a haversack, some make the argument that 60 arrows means 60 arrows. 18 javelins means 18 javelins. Whether it's larger or smaller is immaterial; it's got to be an arrow, or it's got to be a javelin. Then you have the above arguments about shape and size and whatnot. Play it safe and carry what it says it can, or buy a haversack and don't worry bout it :)
Arvagor 11-28-06, 10:40 PM	Play it safe and carry what it says it can, or buy a haversack and don't worry bout it :)We continue to worry about it, because you can Quick Draw from it if it also functions as a scabbard, but you can't Quick Draw from a Haversack... :)
Gwumph 11-28-06, 11:28 PM	The wording is very very vague To say the second compartment can only carry javalins is actually going against the description of the item. "The second slightly longer compartment holds up to eighteen objects of the same general size and shape as a javelin. " If you look in the PH picture's of the weapons, a shortspear is exactly the same size and shape of a javelin. So some debating needs to be done. I for one noticed that a light lance (i.e. Halfling lance) in the picture is the same length as a quarterstaff!! :D